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Mejt0 D3LTA ACADEMY 23	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:11:00 - [1] - Quote I dont see much tanks in games bec they scary of be destroyed by proto av. But at same way i dont see that tanks gives much. They can be blowed up by 2proto swarmers preety quick, even if no in most places they cant kill infantry which is most important. Discusse Other thing. Saw/see threads that gunlogis/shield hav is bad as they are now. Maddy is better. I dont understand it. Maddy have hard vs av. Gunlogi is for fast operations. Enter, kill what need and leave till av will come. Maddy is like toe to toe but now i dont see sense of this tactic. Gunlogi with 10s hardeners can be godly for this time, and leave for cooldowns. Its good bec you wont sit in same place for av infantry come and blow you. Does it make sense?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 856	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:17:00 - [2] - Quote not 2 (well, a MLT HAV or **** fit 2), rather 5. But those 5 come out seriously fast.
Mejt0 D3LTA ACADEMY 23	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:23:00 - [3] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: not 2 (well, a MLT HAV or **** fit 2), rather 5. But those 5 come out seriously fast. I talk about 2 guys = 6 Volleys in few seconds
Beck Weathers High-Damage 128	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:26:00 - [4] - Quote In this day and age of tower forge gunners, and Proto swarms launching 4 vollys in a few seconds, tanks dont even have time to react before they turn to dust.
Mejt0 D3LTA ACADEMY 23	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:29:00 - [5] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: In this day and age of tower forge gunners, and Proto swarms launchign 4 vollys in a few seconds, tanks dont even have tome to react before they turn to dust. Thats my point. Well dont wanna still use vs guys that i know they will 100% destroy every vehicle so im driving in limbus with hardeners,nitros and scanner. Always smth for team and friendly maddys (Havent seen them for a while)
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 856	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:32:00 - [6] - Quote I use my Maddy every match, and if I know there's AV in the area, I give my boys a heads up. If I'm not with anyone (or some randoms who don't know what's up) I'm ******.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 302	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:34:00 - [7] - Quote tanks aren't useless, just expensive. the isk cost for me works out to roughly 100,000 a match with moderate AV (at least 2 swarm guys at the same time). with heavy AV it's about 500,000 isk a minute. give me 1 mill and I'll give you a one minute window anywhere on the map... it used to be more... my surya, it ate orbitals I could lock down areas all but indefinitely.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 856	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:36:00 - [8] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: tanks aren't useless, just expensive. the isk cost for me works out to roughly 100,000 a match with moderate AV (at least 2 swarm guys at the same time). with heavy AV it's about 500,000 isk a minute. give me 1 mill and I'll give you a one minute window anywhere on the map... it used to be more... my surya, it ate orbitals I could lock down areas all but indefinitely. And then I showed up. The only one of you ******* I couldn't kill was Z, and he had a army surrounding him most of the time. What happened to him anyways?
Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 54	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:40:00 - [9] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: not 2 (well, a MLT HAV or **** fit 2), rather 5. But those 5 come out seriously fast. I talk about 2 guys = 6 Volleys in few seconds 6 proto swarms in 12 seconds if I am informed correctly
Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 54	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:41:00 - [10] - Quote I am scared of a disconnect more than AV not only do you lose your tank but the enemy team has a chance to hack it and decimate your team.

Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 402	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:04:00 - [11] - Quote I see them in every game mode in almost every game. Must be useful for something.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 859	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:34:00 - [12] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: I see them in every game mode in almost every game. Must be useful for something. Because the dedicated ones refuse to not use our pieces of ****. I guess we're crazy or something.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 568	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:38:00 - [13] - Quote Once in awhile I see that rare gem of a HAV that can tank the world and laugh with his back turned against us.
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 744	Posted - 2013.09.24 01:00:00 - [14] - Quote I run what I would call a mid-level Mad. 5k armor, hardener, heavy repair and speed. Rail or Blaster. I haven't been taken out by an OB since 1.4. Hit hardener, repair, speed and gone. Rarely has it been down to 1/2 armor. Since 1.4, however, I have been destroyed in three seconds. Too quick for the hardener or the repair to kick in. Hardly enough time to get the game and the DS3 to acknowledge I am trying to do something. Like live. It is pretty much the same picture time and again. Proto AV and two Swarmers are just impossible to avoid. Even using a KB/M combo doesn't provide a magic save me button. One Proto Swarmer can finish me if the physical situation is good for them and bad for me. Shields were too expensive so I don't run shield tanks. Not enough SP to do both so I gambled on Armor working. It does well enough except for Proto AV. And the more expensive tanks are actually worse for survivability. Less PG so a more tempting target that costs 1M ISK more. Weird decisions by the designers. At least they are consistently bad. If I am running in squad with real Gunners (real Gunners have mics) then I rarely lose a tank. That is the biggest difference personally. I have one mate that jumps out and kills AV Reds, Proto or not. Fine, pop my tank. Lose your Fit. Because when he kills you there is no revive. So, a mixed bag. That is basically what I am saying. Tanks used to be consistent. Now they aren't. They will be worse when the vehicle updates are released. Hopefully with Turret and Vehicle skills will be refunded. I am not holding my breath.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 402	Posted - 2013.09.24 01:15:00 - [15] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: I see them in every game mode in almost every game. Must be useful for something. Because the dedicated ones refuse to not use our pieces of ****. I guess we're crazy or something. Tankers don't have it as bad as you make it seem, they still consistently top leader boards, unlike scout who really DONT have a purpose in this game. Let go of the Pre-Uprising days where 2 solo tankers could dominate the Magus Peak.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 302	Posted - 2013.09.24 02:15:00 - [16] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: knight of 6 wrote: tanks aren't useless, just expensive. the isk cost for me works out to roughly 100,000 a match with moderate AV (at least 2 swarm guys at the same time). with heavy AV it's about 500,000 isk a minute. give me 1 mill and I'll give you a one minute window anywhere on the map... it used to be more... my surya, it ate orbitals I could lock down areas all but indefinitely. And then I showed up. The only one of you ******* I couldn't kill was Z, and he had a army surrounding him most of the time. What happened to him anyways? I never lost a surya to another tank, only orbitals, you might have gotten a couple of my maddys though :).
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4622	Posted - 2013.09.24 02:19:00 - [17] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: I dont see much tanks in games bec they scary of be destroyed by proto av. But at same way i dont see that tanks gives much. They can be blowed up by 2proto swarmers preety quick, even if no in most places they cant kill infantry which is most important. Discusse Other thing. Saw/see threads that gunlogis/shield hav is bad as they are now. Maddy is better. I dont understand it. Maddy have hard vs av. Gunlogi is for fast operations. Enter, kill what need and leave till av will come. Maddy is like toe to toe but now i dont see sense of this tactic. Gunlogi with 10s hardeners can be godly for this time, and leave for cooldowns. Its good bec you wont sit in same place for av infantry come and blow you. Does it make sense? Gunlogi are slower then Armor tanks
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 859	Posted - 2013.09.24 03:08:00 - [18] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: I see them in every game mode in almost every game. Must be useful for something. Because the dedicated ones refuse to not use our pieces of ****. I guess we're crazy or something. Tankers don't have it as bad as you make it seem, they still consistently top leader boards, unlike scout who really DONT have a purpose in this game. Let go of the Pre-Uprising days where 2 solo tankers could dominate the Magus Peak. They don't have a purpose because 1: Sneaking around is pretty hard because of scanners and no cloaks of any kind 2: There's not much EWAR other than scanning. Fix those two things, then get WP rewards for said things, and then adjust the suits themselves (more speed, etc. i explained all of what I think they need here), and then they will be fine. Also, I was able to solo vehicles quite well in Codex (pre and late), with effort put in. It wasn't impossible as someone has told you. The reason why people think it was is because most people didn't level up AV past STD, and they never got into a good spot. I had PROTO swarms, and PROTO AV nades. I smashed HAV's and DS's. LAV's were a 1 shot with just a AV nade.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 859	Posted - 2013.09.24 03:11:00 - [19] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: knight of 6 wrote: tanks aren't useless, just expensive. the isk cost for me works out to roughly 100,000 a match with moderate AV (at least 2 swarm guys at the same time). with heavy AV it's about 500,000 isk a minute. give me 1 mill and I'll give you a one minute window anywhere on the map... it used to be more... my surya, it ate orbitals I could lock down areas all but indefinitely. And then I showed up. The only one of you ******* I couldn't kill was Z, and he had a army surrounding him most of the time. What happened to him anyways? I never lost a surya to another tank, only orbitals, you might have gotten a couple of my maddys though :). I've killed your Surya exactly once. In the one match that I've seen you in a Surya. I went for all the known tankers you guys had. Only one left is Z. You know what happened to him?


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