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1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 142	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:46:00 - [1] - Quote I just had a couple of questions for you guys and gals, simply for the pursuit of knowledge. 1. Are you consistently losing money (ISK) when playing Dust and if you are, how much do you lose generally speaking? 2. Can you perform as well as you can in a PROTOTYPE (top of YOUR line) suit with an ADV, STD, MLT or Free suit? (Only suits, doesnt matter if you fit a duvolle or an exile on your ADV its still an ADV suit) o7 Tib.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 272	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:48:00 - [2] - Quote I can lose up to a 1mil ISK a match when wearing proto on a bad day, but i'm rich so i don't care. If i could perform as well in mil suits as proto it would make no amount of sense for me to use proto.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6451	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:49:00 - [3] - Quote 1. I run my militia BPOs to make money, my Advanced HMG fits usually break even or go negative. I lose money however because I fly logi dropships on the side...and...well....yea.... 2. My BPO AR fatty outperforms my Proto HMG heavy most days of the week. Proto seems like a waste if you aren't in a full squad or if you're a heavy.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8766	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:50:00 - [4] - Quote I average about 2 million in losses a day. But slight in the green started this expansion with 60 I'm at 80 mil now despite losing about 200 Sivas.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 29	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:52:00 - [5] - Quote I only run what I can afford. And that happens to be 40-50K ISK ADV suits. If I ever lose money, it's usually less than 50K.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 142	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:55:00 - [6] - Quote Thanks for the replies, keep em coming I'd like to hear from as much people as possible This question is more geared to our run of the mill assault, logis etc since this is a developing game I can understand that some specialization routes are less "effective" than others (namely scouts and vehicle users but then again I did specifically ask about SUITS) I run proto for PC matches and the occasional weapons or suit testing in Pub games Other than that its ADV suits all day every day for me and I've been making millions from Pub games alone
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 475	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:58:00 - [7] - Quote Yeah, it really depends on what you can afford. I typically end up isk-positive for the match, but I only run in suits I know I'll make up the difference. If I'm losing a few proto suits, I may take it down to advanced. There's several factors to consider if you'll do as well with various suits. Largely, your skill is going to be the determining factor on whether you do well/poorly, but you have to take into account fittings, skill levels, etc. Are you running a Dren suit with complex gear? Advanced suit with complex? Advanced suit with militia gear? It's not a cut and dry scale.
ABadMutha13 Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance 27	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:59:00 - [8] - Quote I run only tanks. Aurum Standards with Modules. They run around ~600K ISK ~550 Aurum I loose about 1 tank every dozen matches. I currently have a stockpile of 50 Mads with Proto-turrets and no modules. I usually only have 3-6 Million in the bank.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1983	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:00:00 - [9] - Quote 1. Pretty much anything I run puts me in the green unless I am wearing lots of proto gear and have a particularly bad match 2. No, with all the extra health and damage prototype gear provides I can do much better than if I were running just standard gear The way the curve is set up now lessens the importance of player ability in favor of character ability and needs to be fixed
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 700	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:12:00 - [10] - Quote I keep between 50 and 60 millions in my wallet. Never go below 50. (if i ever do; I'll use BPOs) I buy expensive proto logi stuff when I'm in that range or over 60 mil. I keep the stocks high. I always keep stock (100 to 500) of each items I use in my fittings, so I never have the fear of running out in a battle. Even if I lose a lot of stuff in battle, it seems I go positive anyway cause I'm breaking constantly the 60 mil. and keep buying gear to fatten my armory.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2249	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:14:00 - [11] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: I just had a couple of questions for you guys and gals, simply for the pursuit of knowledge. 1. Are you consistently losing money (ISK) when playing Dust and if you are, how much do you lose generally speaking? 2. Can you perform as well as you can in a PROTOTYPE (top of YOUR line) suit with an ADV, STD, MLT or Free suit? (Only suits, doesnt matter if you fit a duvolle or an exile on your ADV its still an ADV suit) o7 Tib. 1. I am consistently losing ISK because I tank. 2. I do better in my ADV gear than I have ever done in my Proto. I am cursed.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2188	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:18:00 - [12] - Quote 1. I estimate I make about 150k ISK per battle in net profit on average so long as I don't use my lolmando suit. 2. I mainly use the Advanced Amarr Assault suit and score between 2000 and 3000 points per match, so
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1230	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:21:00 - [13] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: I just had a couple of questions for you guys and gals, simply for the pursuit of knowledge. 1. Are you consistently losing money (ISK) when playing Dust and if you are, how much do you lose generally speaking? 2. Can you perform as well as you can in a PROTOTYPE (top of YOUR line) suit with an ADV, STD, MLT or Free suit? (Only suits, doesnt matter if you fit a duvolle or an exile on your ADV its still an ADV suit) o7 Tib. No Yep, unless the otherside is full of protobears
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 394	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:21:00 - [14] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: I just had a couple of questions for you guys and gals, simply for the pursuit of knowledge. 1. Are you consistently losing money (ISK) when playing Dust and if you are, how much do you lose generally speaking? 2. Can you perform as well as you can in a PROTOTYPE (top of YOUR line) suit with an ADV, STD, MLT or Free suit? (Only suits, doesnt matter if you fit a duvolle or an exile on your ADV its still an ADV suit) o7 Tib. I'm a sniper, so NO and YES (respectively) to your questions. Munch
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2251	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:22:00 - [15] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: 1. I estimate I make about 150k ISK per battle in net profit on average so long as I don't use my lolmando suit. 2. I mainly use the Advanced Amarr Assault suit and score between 2000 and 3000 points per match, so The ol' Tank is more expensive than your dropsuits but then again you are a bloody good shot with the ScR. I'm just glad my bullets are bigger than yours that ways I don't ever have to worry about people like you coming at me.
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 769	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:22:00 - [16] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: I just had a couple of questions for you guys and gals, simply for the pursuit of knowledge. 1. Are you consistently losing money (ISK) when playing Dust and if you are, how much do you lose generally speaking? 2. Can you perform as well as you can in a PROTOTYPE (top of YOUR line) suit with an ADV, STD, MLT or Free suit? (Only suits, doesnt matter if you fit a duvolle or an exile on your ADV its still an ADV suit) o7 Tib. 1. I am showing a profit but not a large one. Probably around 50k-150k per match over several dozen-100 matches. 2. My primary focus in Dust since 1.4 has been profit margin. I run either Standard or Adv logi suits with BPO mods and Adv equipment. My avg suit load out costs around 10k isk. My 'blue' suits run 3-4k and my 'expensive' suits 20-30k. I try to keep my deaths/match under 6. Playing the For Profit First mini-game is my current focus.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2190	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:24:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 1. I am consistently losing ISK because I tank. 2. I do better in my ADV gear than I have ever done in my Proto. I am cursed. Oh hey True you may want to reconsider going exclusively HAV if/when they give us a respec. This week I unlocked Wolfman's PCP-30 Scrambler Pistol, slapped it on my favorite advanced assault fit and went to town. Damn, that thing is so godly.
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 770	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:32:00 - [18] - Quote As an additional gut-check...if you consider yourself a "profitable" dust merc...what is your WP avg per match? A good match for me is 1000wp. Avg is around 500-600 probably. I would love to see any correlation between profit and avg WP/match.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 958	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:40:00 - [19] - Quote The problem with my advanced suit is that if I want to use my Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle, I might as well throw it onto a suit that can stack two damage mods and still have over 800 ehp with plenty of regen...than a suit with only 1 damage mod, 600 ehp, and slower regen. Why not just use the adv instead of the proto? The Carthum is WAY more accurate at range...meaning that if I use the adv scrambler, I'm having to rush in to get close enough to use it, whereas I can snipe with my carthum. I have adv suits that I run more often (the most expensive of which is a forge gun fit), but if we're already doing well, or if I need to defend an objective, or I'm running with a good squad, I'll run proto most of the time. I stopped using basic suits a long time ago because I really don't care about isk. I stay above 20 million, and I work my way up slowly to 30 million. Once I hit that point I'll just run proto as much as I like until I get back down to 25 million and I'll slow down again. Honestly, if there isn't anything else to spend isk on, and I'm not involved in PC or a corp, why should I hoard it? I heard people have upwards of 400+ million. That's ridiculous! I have fun my trying out new fitting and new things because that's what proto lets me do. More modules does not mean more of the same, it means more room to fit different modules for versatility. If you have 2 low slots, you can only fit two different types of modules...say a plate and a repair. 3 slots gives you access to a sprint mod, and maybe at 4 you can also run a profile dampener. Sure this might not be very survivable, but you never know until you try it out. Sure I might lose a lot of money just trying new things but that's what I enjoy. The other thing is that if you get good at the game, isk starts to become something you don't worry about anymore. I usually make an average of 400k+ every match, even if some matches I throw away 3-4 200k suits. The thing is, there are some matches where I don't die a single time and I end up with plenty of isk profit. That's what I like about proto, it keeps me on the battlefield instead of dying and spawning back in all of the time. And no, I do not care about my kdr one bit (however it has gone up from 1.74 to 2.00 since 1.4)
Shattered Mirage native warlords 313	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:42:00 - [20] - Quote I typically lose at least 10 million ISK per day Then I go make it all back up with my Dragonfly BPO Dropsuit and Toxin BPO Assault Rifle with Complex Damage mods.

AKCP Scion Lex Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy 84	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:43:00 - [21] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: I only run what I can afford. And that happens to be 40-50K ISK ADV suits. If I ever lose money, it's usually less than 50K. What he said
Shattered Mirage native warlords 313	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:46:00 - [22] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: As an additional gut-check...if you consider yourself a "profitable" dust merc...what is your WP avg per match? A good match for me is 1000wp. Avg is around 500-600 probably. I would love to see any correlation between profit and avg WP/match. Average is 1,500 WP A good match is 2,500 WP My best match was 6,000 WP I on average only earn ~280,000 ISK per match though :(
Shattered Mirage native warlords 313	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:52:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I average about 2 million in losses a day. But slight in the green started this expansion with 60 I'm at 80 mil now despite losing about 200 Sivas. Sivas? Please enlighten me.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 563	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:04:00 - [24] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: I just had a couple of questions for you guys and gals, simply for the pursuit of knowledge. 1. Are you consistently losing money (ISK) when playing Dust and if you are, how much do you lose generally speaking? 2. Can you perform as well as you can in a PROTOTYPE (top of YOUR line) suit with an ADV, STD, MLT or Free suit? (Only suits, doesnt matter if you fit a duvolle or an exile on your ADV its still an ADV suit) o7 Tib. 1.) I usually make a profit. I normally limit my ADV Mass Driver fitting to 3 uses per game. That totals to roughly 130k ISK. Once I reach those 3 deaths, I switch to my STD Logi fitting which allows me to place 4 Uplinks at a time. Each of fitting is about 11k and I could still die 6-8 more times and still profit as I usually end each match with a 210k+ ISK payout. 2.) I don't have prototype gear on my Logi aside from my MDs. However, my Heavy tends to do well in its proto fitting, but 2 deaths per match is all I can afford. I would rather use my STD fitting which can do equally well. It's so much cheaper and I can die about 12 times before I lose any profit.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 657	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:14:00 - [25] - Quote On average, I make a little money, maybe 50,000 per suit by my calcs! Difference between adv and mlt is sizeable, difference between adv and proto is enough, but I leave proto for sunday best!! It isn't worth risking the suit for a pub contract, adv is enough!
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1509	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:32:00 - [26] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: My best match was 6,000 WP I call BS - unless you spent the entire match using the kill/revive boosting exploit. 6000wp is 100 kills and 1000wp more from support stuff - that's not possible without exploits. As for the OP - I always try to run a profit in matches and probably do in at least 3/4 of games. But I don't have proto suits yet and run adv gallente scout; even when I do get proto, I probably won't use it because it has less high slots for damage mods. My most expensive suit is 45k and that's my AV fit. I've tried using proto weapons boosting the cost up to around 80k and did a little better but not worth twice the price. Generally I finish matches top 3 with <1000wp being a bad game; 1500 being normal; and 2000 being a good game.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3425	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:33:00 - [27] - Quote I can typically afford to run protosuits 24/7 and roughly break even. My isk level fluctuates a bit. If I feel like funding something like a tank experiment I use ADV suits for a couple of matches.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 301	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:56:00 - [28] - Quote I'm down 17 mill from the end of chromosome. no, there isn't really a difference between proto and adv scout suits imo
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Public Disorder. 59	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:34:00 - [29] - Quote i lose atleas 800k a day but i get it back after pc. if i go bellow 98mil isk, i run militia medic suit. I do equally well with my miltia suit, maybe the k/d is .2 lower per game or higher depending on who i face.
Shattered Mirage native warlords 326	Posted - 2013.09.27 17:49:00 - [30] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: My best match was 6,000 WP I call BS - unless you spent the entire match using the kill/revive boosting exploit. 6000wp is 100 kills and 1000wp more from support stuff - that's not possible without exploits. As for the OP - I always try to run a profit in matches and probably do in at least 3/4 of games. But I don't have proto suits yet and run adv gallente scout; even when I do get proto, I probably won't use it because it has less high slots for damage mods. My most expensive suit is 45k and that's my AV fit. I've tried using proto weapons boosting the cost up to around 80k and did a little better but not worth twice the price. Generally I finish matches top 3 with <1000wp being a bad game; 1500 being normal; and 2000 being a good game. Nah, it was a mixture of drop uplinks, nanohives, a repair tool, a nanonite injector, hunting installations in my assault dropship, destroying ~16 vehicles (Idiots didn't know when to stop calling 'em in), ~40 kills, and around 30 assist. I doubt I'll ever replicate it though Closest I've ever came again was barely 4,000 WP

low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 498	Posted - 2013.09.27 17:51:00 - [31] - Quote i'm constantly gaining money. I never run proto, but I find the advanced suit class to be pretty tough. I can run any a-1 and still have a good game (just gotta be really careful)
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 632	Posted - 2013.09.27 18:40:00 - [32] - Quote I feel if I have less than 150 million I am broke. I run cheap suits all the time. The cheaper the better and the crazy thing is my KDR and wallet keep going up. I want to run proto but if I lose one suit I freak out because of the cost and I do not like to go red in a match unless I really wanted to win. Running proto and loosing it to another proto I am Ok with it, but to lose to anything militia make me want to rage quit. If you outplay me that's one thing, but if we are going toe to toe and you win for some reason that is beyond me, well F*** that. So all in all run Advance or cheaper, bank the ISK and when the gods smile upon Dust and Proto is back to its Beta days I will run it and smite all who stands before me.


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