Alright, I take exception to the image. It is perfectly fine to have more than one item in your arsenal, find one to be defective, and keep on fighting.

This applies to both conversations and combat!

I'll endorse this post Toby. It just sucks because we should all be trying to work together as opposed to the cluster **** we have right now. I've been a part of plenty of those threads so I could definitely be considered part of the problem. Normally I would say sweeping the problem under the rug in hopes that it magically disappears over the next few patches is a pipe dream, but with no ground being given by either side of the argument it is probably the best course of action.

Put me down officially as undecided, but I heartily agree with the sentiment! People are being totally unreasonable and aren't willing to talk things through in their arguments.

No! How am I supposed to pass time at work without fighting the forum war!?

In my opinion, no, none of the discussions save one or two notable ones have been rational.

I stand on a few points however:

1: AV (solo or otherwise) should be a powerful threat to vehicles on any battlefield regardless of vehicle class.

2: Tanks should be destructible, but not made from hope and paper (that's the scout's armor)

3: vehicles should not be dog-cheap, but it is unreasonable that a tank driver should have to grind ten matches in a militia fit to recoup his loss because he had the bad luck to get pinged by myself or another dedicated heavy AV.

4: Balance should never be determined by in-game cost, however, in a game where AV is a genuine threat to vehicles DUST 514 has severely overpriced the cost of HAVs and dropships. LAVs still need work overall.

5: If HAVs and Dropships scale difficulty by cost, then AV players and Infantry are screwed sideways. with a rusty pogo stick. In the butt.

6: In DUST a well-fitted tank costs as much as a fitted destroyer in EVE. This is a problem because it creates a perception that they should be the most powerful thing in the game because in every other shooter cost = power. This is not the case here, and it should NOT ever be the case. It also edges into marginalizing the EVE playerbase, who are iffy on what benefit DUST can possibly bring to their table once the games fully link. Would the Corp rather burn ISK on a triage carrier, or a fit set for the DUST mercs they want to hire to keep them grinding?

there is more, of course, and this marks the last time I will be weighing in on the topic without trolling the tank drivers and calling them butthurt tryhard whiners.

Enjoy the rational discussion. I assure you that it will be unavailable for the near future.

Yeah from what it seems we have pretty similar opinions on these things. Does that mean you agree with this thread then?

No I think tankers are whiny butthurt crybabies

+1. Its pointless comparing until the vehicles get more than just the Basic variants

+1 agree

No I think tankers are whiny butthurt crybabies

Wait so I'm confused, what should I tally you as for the sake of keeping track?

mark me as a complete Jerk.

Done.