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Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 13:39:00 -
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-Mountain railgunner:
"I'm forced to sit on a mountain in my redline because my tank is crap and CCP refuses to buff it"
Well, you're the worst hypocrite ever, you have no problems killing other tankers working their big metal asses hard to help their team, going into the battlefield and living on the edge every single match.
Those people are vehicle operators like you, with the same problems, but unlike you they have the guts to bring their crap to the objective and they keep doing their job, no matter how much CCP nerfs their vehicles! And their efforts get randomly and suddenly annihilated (along their vehicles) by your particle cannon.
I'm ashamed to share the same category (Tanker) with you. You don't deserved to be called "Tanker", because as soon as you quit driving and supporting you stop being a "Tanker". The appropriate name for you is something that will have me banned for writing it on the forums.
-Tower Forgegunner:
"I have it hard, good tankers can survive to my Ishukone forge gun if they run away. And some dropsuits can survive up to 3 blast damage!"
You have a portable railgun cannon with damage mods and proficiency, 1,875 second charge time, 4 clip size, 2300 raw damage per shot with 2 dmg mods and proficiency (actually outdamages a prototype railgun!!!), no sway, no projectile fall off, no damage fall off...
...and you whine about it!
...AND YOU'RE ON A FRIGGIN' TOWER!!!
Infantry can't shoot back, tanks can't shoot back, not only because of the glitched render distance, but because the turret can't tilt that much. You have total control of the map, spamming your crazy weapon like a God's finger from above, killing anything, from infantry to vehicles and installations... and in total safety! The only way to kill you is to snipe you off (which is almost impossible as long as you can take cover and you can laugh to the sniper and ignore him unless he has a Thale) or flying a dropship to your place, which can be destroyed in no time by yourself. Perfect example of this situation in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUJe8E36GLsS5__3B3SYC0fw
And some of you justify yourselves because you're "Heavies" and heavy suits are underpowered and need all the help they can get! More hypocrites, you should be ashamed of yourselves, hiding behind your HMG "brothers" or even a ground Forge gunner, nothing to do with your kind.
-Both of you redline railsnipers and camping forgegunners pretend to be enemies, instead you should shake your hands one each other for being the worst (insert correct word here) in this game's history.
This game would be immensely better without both of you, you're ruining other people's in-game experience and infesting the forums at the same time.
CCP won't do anything to stop you, so at least STFU on the forums, because you're ridiculous and rage-inducing for how pathetic you are. |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 13:50:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:There's a lot of QQ here. But it's not your typical QQ, and it's really rather a QQ about others' QQ.
So +1
lol thank you. |
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:06:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:whoa whoa whoa hold on there, us heavies complaining about our FG? since when? i've seen FG nerf threads but a thread about FG being UP?? i want what you're smoking there lol
Forge Gun buff requests are probably trolling threads and I saw just one of them time ago.
Forge Gunners frequently ask for Tank nerfs. Some of them actually do whine about their FG not being able to solo a tank, which is absolutely false. |
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:08:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:I am a forge gunner.
Towers are overpowered
Stay away from my forge gun
(fyi i dont towere snipe)
If you don't tower snipe I've no problems with you, bud. |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:25:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:While I kind of share the same sentiment... aren't snipers in the same category? It's a playstyle which takes very little risk for decent rewards, while also being incredibly boring to play. Most people would probably rather watch paint dry than sit in the redline or on top of a tower all day, but then there are those who really can't get fun out of the game doing anything that requires a modicum of spatial awareness. Well... They won't ever get my respect, but the game designer in me also wants to say that it's not a bad idea to give those people something fun to do. While it's frustrating to deal with, in turn we "others" get to enjoy entertaining threads like this, sharing our disdain in solidarity.
I understand your point of view, but I wouldn't put snipers in the same category.
Snipers can only kill infantry, though, and they are easy to snipe back once you spot them. They can't move while aiming and, unless they're sniping in a heavy suit, one single headshot is more than enough to kill a proto sniper with armor plates.
If one headshot with a Charge sniper (dedicated sniper with proficiency and damage mods) is not enough to OHK a heavy sniper, 2 kaalakiota headshots (when the enemy is not moving you can easily land 2 headhots with a tac sniper) sure can.
Snipers can be really annoying, but nothing prevents me from flying my dropship to them or just snipe them back. |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:46:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:redline rail tanks cant see much... soooo they arnt particularly dealy to anything besides tanks who wander around like they are immune to gunfire... wich means if the railtank diddnt get them soemthing else would of.
soooo take mountain rail tanks off this list of gripes?
Tanks don't need to "wander around like they are immune to gunfire" to be r*ped by a railgun.
Yesterday I got my longest kill of all times. Yes, pure luck, I know, but still I managed to kill a Dropship passenger (I was just aiming at the dropship) from 498m away, while I was under one of those large buildings on both sides of the bridge in Spine Crescent.
soooo no. |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:51:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:SO let me get this straight, If I rail an enemy tank that is working hard to help his team in closer combat, this is me saying I have a weak tank, but I'll cheap shot other tanks, OR is this a tank with a powerful long range weapon using range, to supress and stop other tanks from killing my team?
CCP like people using the height advantages on this game, and a forge gunner a top a tower is not invincible, he is a sniper target, if your teams snipers cant supress or kill him, to bad, better luck next time.
Also rail tanks can shoot forgers off them towers, its a matter of knowing how.
So to generalize the OP, anything that uses range or tactical postioning should be ashamed of themselves. By the same whacked out logic: AR's you should be ashamed of using automatic weapons, try being a man and pull the trigger every shot. Mass drivers, quit relying on explosions your cowards Snipers, how about you come into submachine gun range. Knova Knifers, try that from 50m Tankers, how about you get out and try fight me. Grenades, how about you don't explode.
etc etc etc
hahahahah "tactical"! You're actually defending such a broken mechanic as redline sniping! I've no arguments against such awesomeness, you win.
When did I whine about anything of those things? Your "generalization" is the most stupid I've ever seen.
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Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:55:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:
If one headshot with a Charge sniper (dedicated sniper with proficiency and damage mods) is not enough to OHK a heavy sniper, 2 kaalakiota headshots (when the enemy is not moving you can easily land 2 headhots with a tac sniper) sure can.
Snipers can be really annoying, but nothing prevents me from flying my dropship to them or just snipe them back.
man i hate those snipers who carry the kaalakiota SR. but then i just switch to my heavy sniper and find those guys, i once hunted down a sniper so many times in one game that he switch back to militia SR after losing too many of his officer weapon
Was he a Thaler?
omg he lost several Thales in the same match?
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Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:02:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:
As is the how dare you use your long range weapons at long range rant on post#1
Long range doesn't mean "camping a mountain in the redline or the highest tower in the map".
Did I say anything against normal snipers?
Did I say anything against any other weapon used at its ideal range?
Did I say anything against Forge gunners on a "normal" building which can be reached without a dropship?
Did I say anything against a railgunner simply keeping the distance without exploiting a mountain in his redline to take cover after against anything?
Read again. |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:03:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Chibi Andy wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:
If one headshot with a Charge sniper (dedicated sniper with proficiency and damage mods) is not enough to OHK a heavy sniper, 2 kaalakiota headshots (when the enemy is not moving you can easily land 2 headhots with a tac sniper) sure can.
Snipers can be really annoying, but nothing prevents me from flying my dropship to them or just snipe them back.
man i hate those snipers who carry the kaalakiota SR. but then i just switch to my heavy sniper and find those guys, i once hunted down a sniper so many times in one game that he switch back to militia SR after losing too many of his officer weapon Was he a Thaler? omg he lost several Thales in the same match? I love taking someones Thales, few minutes later you'll see their name on kill feed with an ADV SR, funny stuff.
lol the only time I killed a Thaler he left the match. Even funnier. |
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Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:06:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:As is the how dare you use your long range weapons at long range rant on post#1 As someone who likes to think he can read I'd say the post was not about the distance but more so the placement and cowardly behavior.
omg thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to explain... |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:29:00 -
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Commander Tzu wrote:I use a railgun sniper, I really love it. I don't really stay on the redline (unless my infantry gets pushed back to the redline) but I try to stay as far away from combat as I can, railguns' main advantage is range of course. The thing is though, with the render issues, railgun sniper tanks are actually easy to take out right now because swarms and lock on and fire from outside their render distance and so can FGs (well, not lock on anyway) so their missiles/projectile is totally invisible just like their suit. I just want to point out your rant was hilarious, even if uniformed, and made me lol so you get my like. BTW, even blaster and missile tanks are supposed to stay as far from enemy infantry as possible so they really shouldn't be wading into an enemy held objective infested with AV.
I'm a tanker, I know of the render issue, I know of the Swarm launchers and I know how fragile tanks are.
You said you're not redlining (of course, unless your team gets actually redlined, which is perfectly natural) and that's the same for me. I keep my distance, but I'm mobile and I don't use a hill which cannot be reached by enemy vehicles and infantry to retreat as soon as I take damage.
How is my thread uninformed? |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:51:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote: If I'm not on the tower then the enemy team is likely to, better me for the sake of my team then them. If you don't want to deal with it then stay out of my limited 300 meter range or die or better yet, get a decent sniper. Get four dropships since I can't kill all of them before you get up there. Hell if you squish me with one, I'll send you mail telling you that was absolutely hilarious.
The rail tankers on hills is a problem and they are bad and should feel bad.
Forge gunners on towers is actually less of a problem and they are doing what they are supposed to be doing. People always forget the forge gun is not anti-vehicle it's anti-material.
I know of some amazing "dynamic" Forge gunners because I ran into them on the battlefield (at least they were moving around in those matches).
One example is a guy named Poplo Furuya, I found him 4 or 5 times and he was moving around the map with an Ishukone FG causing destruction. He's one of the best Scrambler pistol users I've ever seen, he could defend himself from enemy infantry just with the Scrambler pistol.
That doesn't mean tou have to run around without a goal, you can climb buildings and control different areas, but that kind of tower camping is an extremely broken game mechanic that shouldn't be exploitable in first place. |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:03:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:whoa whoa whoa hold on there, us heavies complaining about our FG? since when? i've seen FG nerf threads but a thread about FG being UP?? i want what you're smoking there lol
Chiby Andy, I found one for you! A fresh "buff the FG" request! Not a topic, but a single post (Check post #2).
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1327740#post1327740
Do you believe me know? XD |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:19:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:
reasonable, rational, grammatically proficent, hard to kill in game and lookin fine while at it in your caldari suit +1 when we gonna squad up again?
Hahaha thanks bud, actually English is not my first language, so it took a noticeable amount of time for me to type all that stuff.
I would squad up with you anytime, if you see me online then I'm ready to go. |
Keri Starlight
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:45:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:
reasonable, rational, grammatically proficent, hard to kill in game and lookin fine while at it in your caldari suit +1 when we gonna squad up again?
Hahaha thanks bud, actually English is not my first language, so it took a noticeable amount of time for me to type all that stuff. I would squad up with you anytime, if you see me online then I'm ready to go. Time well spent, I'm getting on in the next 10-20 minutes. Ill find you in our chat room o7
I'm about to have dinner now, but I'm pretty sure I'll be on later.
Yes, I'm always in the chat room. |
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:57:00 -
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Thanks for your words!
To answer your question, no, there is no way I would ever consider a retreat act of cowardice. Driving to the redline to recall your vehicle is more than legit, I would actually recommend you doing that if you're not too far away.
I like to think our redline is there for this reason, to have a temporary break and re-organize our strategy. It's a good idea driving to the redline to regenerate your vehicle's HP before going back to the battle.
Unfortunately, it's extremely easy to hide in the redline without any real downside. Some suggested to add a timer in our own redline (1 minute or so), someone else suggested that people should not be able to do damage shooting through the redline... it's not clear if it's possible to change the redline mechanics "in a good way".
Probably nothing will be done about it. |
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:58:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:As a Heavy who stays on the ground, I cannot condone tower camping with a FG. It is cowardly and it throws off the balance of the game. Redline Sniper tanks are in the same club. -1 to tower camping FG Heavies -1 to redline railtanks +1 to OP. As a side note, those Ferrari Armor Tanks...
I really appreciate this coming from a FG'er. |
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:04:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:The link doesn't work for me.
Probably it's too offensive for us to see it |
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:05:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:(assuming your a lady) I wanna have sex with you. I don't even care that you're a money *****, I just want to **** that amazing mouth of yours
I actually am, but you scared the **** out of me |
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:40:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:(assuming your a lady) I wanna have sex with you. I don't even care that you're a money *****, I just want to **** that amazing mouth of yours I actually am, but you scared the **** out of me EDIT: I mean a lady, not a money *****! Tact and grace, my friend, tact and grace.
I wonder how many women play this game... but from what I know I might be the only one on these forums. |
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Posted - 2013.09.24 11:18:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:yeah, I should take my tank, put the worst kind of turret for my tank type on(shield tank, blasters use WAY too much PG to fit a decent tank alongside the requisite coolants/damage mods), and charge the field so I get ripped in half in 12 seconds(skewing my numbers a bit high here). Or I use missiles, then I get ripped apart in 12 seconds, and laughed at.
or, I sit on a mountain, provide fire support where it is needed(like say onto that enemy tank, who, no matter what gun I'm using will outright murder me in every fight unless I get the drop on him, and he's a poorly fit, crappy driver, or I have significant range on my side) and have the height to revoke enemy air superiority.
Different tools for different uses. Shield tanks are very good for railgun usage as none of their tank mods are useful for a fight, and their lows can be left open via using the "efficient" models to stack mods for heavy burst damage over a decent period of time.
Railguns, thanks to their low track speed and massive range demand to be used from significant range and height as to ensure maximum battlefield control, anything less is pure folly.
so, we have a tank that is very poorly tanked, and hits like a truck. guess how you beat it? hit it once or twice(or use your own and hit him twice before he can even move and he's dead) so it has to hide to regen the 2/3 of it's shield you just took out for the next few minutes. when it comes out again, you hit it again. he'll move, then you take advantage of the time he's not shooting to push. or you keep hounding them until they recall or are killed.
Sorry that I'm not a battlefield derp who'll charge into suicide so you can have the free points you seem to want
Do you understand that you're comparing a "tank" to a "turret"? Can't you guys see there is something wrong with that?
It's a "vehicle", not an "installation"... Your use of a tank is to sit behind a redline shooting stuff... This game is not "point Blank", for the love of God...
...ok listen, you people win. It's impossible to have a dialogue when you can't (or don't want to) see how much this is broken and why this should not be in a game in first place. I give up.
Only one more thing to say:
Or I'm the best tanker ever, because I can leave the redline with a railgun Gunnlogi and survive, since you're saying it's such a crazy thing to do...
Or you're just hiding behind a wall of lies.
Since there is no way I'm such a good tanker, my bet is on the second one.
And this is the last thing I have to say to people defending redline tanks.
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Posted - 2013.09.24 12:15:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:yeah, I should take my tank, put the worst kind of turret for my tank type on(shield tank, blasters use WAY too much PG to fit a decent tank alongside the requisite coolants/damage mods), and charge the field so I get ripped in half in 12 seconds(skewing my numbers a bit high here). Or I use missiles, then I get ripped apart in 12 seconds, and laughed at.
or, I sit on a mountain, provide fire support where it is needed(like say onto that enemy tank, who, no matter what gun I'm using will outright murder me in every fight unless I get the drop on him, and he's a poorly fit, crappy driver, or I have significant range on my side) and have the height to revoke enemy air superiority.
Different tools for different uses. Shield tanks are very good for railgun usage as none of their tank mods are useful for a fight, and their lows can be left open via using the "efficient" models to stack mods for heavy burst damage over a decent period of time.
Railguns, thanks to their low track speed and massive range demand to be used from significant range and height as to ensure maximum battlefield control, anything less is pure folly.
so, we have a tank that is very poorly tanked, and hits like a truck. guess how you beat it? hit it once or twice(or use your own and hit him twice before he can even move and he's dead) so it has to hide to regen the 2/3 of it's shield you just took out for the next few minutes. when it comes out again, you hit it again. he'll move, then you take advantage of the time he's not shooting to push. or you keep hounding them until they recall or are killed.
Sorry that I'm not a battlefield derp who'll charge into suicide so you can have the free points you seem to want Do you understand that you're comparing a "tank" to a "turret"? Can't you guys see there is something wrong with that? It's a "vehicle", not an "installation"... Your use of a tank is to sit behind a redline shooting stuff... This game is not "point Blank", for the love of God... ...ok listen, you people win. It's impossible to have a dialogue when you can't (or don't want to) see how much this is broken and why this should not be in a game in first place. I give up. Only one more thing to say: Or I'm the best tanker ever, because I can leave the redline with a railgun Gunnlogi and survive, since you're saying it's such a crazy thing to do... Or you're just hiding behind a wall of lies. Since there is no way I'm such a good tanker, my bet is on the second one. And this is the last thing I have to say to people defending redline tanks. you do shields and survive? interesting..
I don't always...
But that actually makes me better and better.
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