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Ryno Zamayid DIOS EX. Top Men. 2	Posted - 2013.09.22 20:41:00 - [1] - Quote Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 439	Posted - 2013.09.22 21:09:00 - [2] - Quote yes. they've got a longer range than my laser rifle at times. it's ridiculous. after every patch people try new things, but the ar is better than the other weapons. in almost every way.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 212	Posted - 2013.09.22 21:16:00 - [3] - Quote Ryno Zamayid wrote: Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way. I think you are exaggerating with the "5 or 6 hit kill" when you have 500 HP because regular ARs can't do more than about 50 damage per shot with everything maxed out. However, ARs do kill really fast as of late. I would also recommend more Armor plates and damage mods for your Amarr suit, if you aren't already doing that. Amarrian suits work really well with that sort of setup. Good choice of weapon BTW, they happen to be a favorite of mine.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2219	Posted - 2013.09.22 21:56:00 - [4] - Quote Ryno Zamayid wrote: Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way. Six shots is relative impossible on any half decent fit. 32.5 x6= 195 No suit but scout suits go down that fast and only poorly fitted ones at that.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1209	Posted - 2013.09.22 22:41:00 - [5] - Quote Ryno Zamayid wrote: Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way. The range on ARs is the only thing broken ATM i think. (optimal range wise too...) As it is, i have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with ARs.... My SCRB Rifle does them in good....
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 121	Posted - 2013.09.22 22:52:00 - [6] - Quote ARs are good on DPS, the issue is the application of that DPS that's staggering. Keep the range and DPS it has. Increase initial accuracy. Add a sizeable amount of recoil on top of what it already has. Make releasing the trigger not instantly reset the recoil. Instead of a skill for accuracy, replace it with a skill that decreases the recoil reset.
Ryno Zamayid DIOS EX. Top Men. 2	Posted - 2013.09.22 23:52:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ryno Zamayid wrote: Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way. Six shots is relative impossible on any half decent fit. 32.5 x6= 195 No suit but scout suits go down that fast and only poorly fitted ones at that. Idk man, It feels that way. I'm probably wrong, I was just more or less looking to see how many other people who actually use something other than the AR feel since the "fix" on 1.5. 6 hit kill maybe not, the duvolle still drops you before you can react half the time since the hit detection was.... "fixed"
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2221	Posted - 2013.09.23 00:05:00 - [8] - Quote Ryno Zamayid wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ryno Zamayid wrote: Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way. Six shots is relative impossible on any half decent fit. 32.5 x6= 195 No suit but scout suits go down that fast and only poorly fitted ones at that. Idk man, It feels that way. I'm probably wrong, I was just more or less looking to see how many other people who actually use something other than the AR feel since the "fix" on 1.5. 6 hit kill maybe not, the duvolle still drops you before you can react half the time since the hit detection was.... "fixed" I know what you mean, feels like AR can outshoot my lasers and scramblers at range...... not supposed to happen by eve standards, shouldn't happen in dust.
Ryno Zamayid DIOS EX. Top Men. 2	Posted - 2013.09.23 00:28:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ryno Zamayid wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ryno Zamayid wrote: Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way. Six shots is relative impossible on any half decent fit. 32.5 x6= 195 No suit but scout suits go down that fast and only poorly fitted ones at that. Idk man, It feels that way. I'm probably wrong, I was just more or less looking to see how many other people who actually use something other than the AR feel since the "fix" on 1.5. 6 hit kill maybe not, the duvolle still drops you before you can react half the time since the hit detection was.... "fixed" I know what you mean, feels like AR can outshoot my lasers and scramblers at range...... not supposed to happen by eve standards, shouldn't happen in dust. That's my point exactly.... Isn't the AR supposed to be a blaster? By EVE standards the range should be the first drawback of the AR. I just hope CCP made a simple mistake, instead of seemingly catering to the CoD player base... That would be a shame.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 304	Posted - 2013.09.23 00:36:00 - [10] - Quote Ryno Zamayid wrote: Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way. Well, if you really pay attention to the stats, they do put out 34 HP per shot, and that is standard. So putting an entire clip into someone will kill them most of the time.

Summ Dude Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 32	Posted - 2013.09.23 00:48:00 - [11] - Quote Ryno Zamayid wrote: Idk man, It feels that way. I'm probably wrong, I was just more or less looking to see how many other people who actually use something other than the AR feel since the "fix" on 1.5. 6 hit kill maybe not, the duvolle still drops you before you can react half the time since the hit detection was.... "fixed" It's not really the hit detection so much as it is the horrendously overdone aim assist. In my opinion it benefits the AR more than any other gun because of it's high rate of fire, lack of dispersion, and large clip size.
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 739	Posted - 2013.09.23 01:30:00 - [12] - Quote Happy Trolls, to you. And may you Troll again. The AR is the default weapon, so of you course you have to whine about it. Do you give cheeeese with that? Your QQ are the best because you squirm and squeal when you die in your free suit. You show you great compassion by killing Heavies with a Cheap Ass Gun, but complain when somebody has Skilled into a better one that yours and they off your Kitten Butt. Hint, higher Skills will kill you quicker with the same weapon. Weird, huh? It is almost like some mysterious group Planned this. Ooooh. Put on your tin foil hat! Quick! Fun Troll. Not very creative overall but fun nonetheless.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San EoN. 35	Posted - 2013.09.23 02:54:00 - [13] - Quote I have noticed i'm getting destroyed by militia weapons while using my duvolle and caldari medium proto basic fitting? the lower tier ARs are a bit too good.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 975	Posted - 2013.09.23 03:02:00 - [14] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: I have noticed i'm getting destroyed by militia weapons while using my duvolle and caldari medium proto basic fitting? the lower tier ARs are a bit too good. Drop the Range on em all. That's all That needs be done. Your Proto Gear isn't designed to be OMGWaffleBBGROFLBeast Suit. Stop complaining about it. It gives you a slight edge, that which you need in 1v1 to get the win. The balance of Player Skill and SP grind has been reached somewhat. Somewhat.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1978	Posted - 2013.09.23 03:10:00 - [15] - Quote Let's agree that Vanilla AR's are the problem. I don't want people touching the Breach/Burst/Tactical because they are completely different animals.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 975	Posted - 2013.09.23 03:21:00 - [16] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Let's agree that Vanilla AR's are the problem. I don't want people touching the Breach/Burst/Tactical because they are completely different animals. Agreed. Fiddle with their ranges, of buff the othe guns a bit. I like the idea of buffing the others a bit. Oh, and roll back the ten percent buff to weapon damage.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion 84	Posted - 2013.09.23 03:34:00 - [17] - Quote Ryno Zamayid wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ryno Zamayid wrote: Ok.... sooo folks, am I the only one that noticed the AR is now the only weapon owning our A$$es? A 5 or 6 hit kill from a GEK is a bit much don't you think? Or that I can drop a heavy suit sporting the HMG 9 out of 10 times with the militia AR? Unless its a Caldari suit against my assault ScR and I sneak up on him, I get dropped in a few hits. And I mean about the same gear level too. The GEK vs the CRD9, Adv. Assault Amarr vs Adv Assault Cal.... I average about 500 HP on my Amarr assault. Now say what you will about my skill, I'm just wondering if you guys feel the same way. Six shots is relative impossible on any half decent fit. 32.5 x6= 195 No suit but scout suits go down that fast and only poorly fitted ones at that. Idk man, It feels that way. I'm probably wrong, I was just more or less looking to see how many other people who actually use something other than the AR feel since the "fix" on 1.5. 6 hit kill maybe not, the duvolle still drops you before you can react half the time since the hit detection was.... "fixed" You might not be fully wrong in how you feel though, for the example of 32.5x6, if any damage mods are on the gun or on the skill tree that are active this can skew the numbers as many people who are quite advanced in the game often scrub down to the basics to get isk. So you might have been being hit with a gun that had 9%-18% bonus. Also, you need to remember that lag sometimes throws in a few extra bullets that you might not notice, such as when you duck behind a corner and you still get hit by 3-4 stray bullets.
Ryno Zamayid DIOS EX. Top Men. 4	Posted - 2013.09.23 05:21:00 - [18] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Happy Trolls, to you. And may you Troll again. The AR is the default weapon, so of you course you have to whine about it. Do you give cheeeese with that? Your QQ are the best because you squirm and squeal when you die in your free suit. You show you great compassion by killing Heavies with a Cheap Ass Gun, but complain when somebody has Skilled into a better one that yours and they off your Kitten Butt. Hint, higher Skills will kill you quicker with the same weapon. Weird, huh? It is almost like some mysterious group Planned this. Ooooh. Put on your tin foil hat! Quick! Fun Troll. Not very creative overall but fun nonetheless. There is no "Standard" Weapon in EVE/ Dust. It's not CoD dude, read up. Every weapon are supposed to have it's specialty, not one gun for all situations. Second I mentioned that I can take on a heavy in a free suit BC its WRONG to be able to 1v1 unless the dude has no skill, he should be able to take me. Third I don't normally use free suits, if an adv gun takes me, then it should. I'm not a newb, you on the other hand are a troll, a very small minded troll.... what a shame.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 132	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:30:00 - [19] - Quote Drop the range......I shouldn't have to take cover in my 1200hp heavy suit when lasering a militia ar user at optimal range......this will put laser rifles in a decent spot and balance the ar..... Recoil shouldn't be completely reset when you release the trigger for a split second either
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 998	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:40:00 - [20] - Quote a few weapons beat the gek, duvoules, krins, and balacs, and the aurum equivalents. because of this gek is fine it's not broken if their are better guns around ;) walks away hugging his gek

CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 369	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:48:00 - [21] - Quote ar has the most recoil in game...its noticable.. but recoil doesnt matter because it easily negated as it is on every other game just by moving the aiming stick slightly in the opposite direction... but scrambler is Superior to the assault rifle over all...
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 242	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:07:00 - [22] - Quote Most GEK users have: 1) Proto AR skills 2) 3/4/5 ranks of Sharpshooter and Proficiency This makes the GEK pretty nice for the price. Couple that with a complex (or even enhanced) dmg mod and you have a great weapon that doesn't blow the bank when you lose a few.
Ryno Zamayid DIOS EX. Top Men. 4	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:20:00 - [23] - Quote calisk galern wrote: a few weapons beat the gek, duvoules, krins, and balacs, and the aurum equivalents. because of this gek is fine it's not broken if their are better guns around ;) walks away hugging his gek Lol you can have it, I'm clearly not too crazy about the AR. But it boils down to the majority rules. Majority of players use the AR and by listening to most while I play cuss and swear when they die by anything else but the AR. They feel like everyone should use it because it's the so called "Standard Weapon". It's cool, I was just wondering how you guys felt about this opinion, and hoped maybe a director would chime in. Thank you all for the comments.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1704	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:21:00 - [24] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Happy Trolls, to you. And may you Troll again. The AR is the default weapon, so of you course you have to whine about it. Do you give cheeeese with that? Your QQ are the best because you squirm and squeal when you die in your free suit. You show you great compassion by killing Heavies with a Cheap Ass Gun, but complain when somebody has Skilled into a better one that yours and they off your Kitten Butt. Hint, higher Skills will kill you quicker with the same weapon. Weird, huh? It is almost like some mysterious group Planned this. Ooooh. Put on your tin foil hat! Quick! Fun Troll. Not very creative overall but fun nonetheless. The AR is stupidly OP with it's pinpoint accurate bullet hose, fat magazine, aimbot assisted long range dps. Dust 514 has been ruined by it. Hail AR 514. Hail king AR. Dust, like Eve should have no generalist weapon, let alone the ridiculously OP AR that we have now.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 470	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:59:00 - [25] - Quote calisk galern wrote: a few weapons beat the gek, duvoules, krins, and balacs, and the aurum equivalents. because of this gek is fine it's not broken if their are better guns around ;) walks away hugging his gek lol. perfect.
Ryno Zamayid DIOS EX. Top Men. 6	Posted - 2013.09.24 02:28:00 - [26] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: KalOfTheRathi wrote: Happy Trolls, to you. And may you Troll again. The AR is the default weapon, so of you course you have to whine about it. Do you give cheeeese with that? Your QQ are the best because you squirm and squeal when you die in your free suit. You show you great compassion by killing Heavies with a Cheap Ass Gun, but complain when somebody has Skilled into a better one that yours and they off your Kitten Butt. Hint, higher Skills will kill you quicker with the same weapon. Weird, huh? It is almost like some mysterious group Planned this. Ooooh. Put on your tin foil hat! Quick! Fun Troll. Not very creative overall but fun nonetheless. The AR is stupidly OP with it's pinpoint accurate bullet hose, fat magazine, aimbot assisted long range dps. Dust 514 has been ruined by it. Hail AR 514. Hail king AR. Dust, like Eve should have no generalist weapon, let alone the ridiculously OP AR that we have now. Thank you! That's my point.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 982	Posted - 2013.09.24 03:54:00 - [27] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: ar has the most recoil in game...its noticable.. but recoil doesnt matter because it easily negated as it is on every other game just by moving the aiming stick slightly in the opposite direction... but scrambler is Superior to the assault rifle over all... Nice joke there. You can ads with the AR through half a clip in ADS without the weapon even moving from the point if aim. The AScR has better paper DPS, but factoring in the differentiating DPS versus armor or shield, and the actually apparent recoil, and worse dispersion, it is a niche AR, good at shield killing, but a nice armor tanked suit, and your dealing worse damage then a breach AR. AScR-Apparent Weaknesses AR-Master of all trades.
Jarlaxle JRXL Axis of Chaos 0	Posted - 2013.09.24 04:41:00 - [28] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Happy Trolls, to you. And may you Troll again. The AR is the default weapon, so of you course you have to whine about it. Do you give cheeeese with that? Your QQ are the best because you squirm and squeal when you die in your free suit. You show you great compassion by killing Heavies with a Cheap Ass Gun, but complain when somebody has Skilled into a better one that yours and they off your Kitten Butt. Hint, higher Skills will kill you quicker with the same weapon. Weird, huh? It is almost like some mysterious group Planned this. Ooooh. Put on your tin foil hat! Quick! Fun Troll. Not very creative overall but fun nonetheless. dude... ENGLISH!
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 202	Posted - 2013.09.24 05:35:00 - [29] - Quote You really want to see fast ownage? I got taken out in my heavy frame by an imperial scrambler. Those things OWN. I think i will be skilling into them very soon.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 199	Posted - 2013.09.24 10:51:00 - [30] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: CLONE117 wrote: ar has the most recoil in game...its noticable.. but recoil doesnt matter because it easily negated as it is on every other game just by moving the aiming stick slightly in the opposite direction... but scrambler is Superior to the assault rifle over all... Nice joke there. You can ads with the AR through half a clip in ADS without the weapon even moving from the point if aim. The AScR has better paper DPS, but factoring in the differentiating DPS versus armor or shield, and the actually apparent recoil, and worse dispersion, it is a niche AR, good at shield killing, but a nice armor tanked suit, and your dealing worse damage then a breach AR. AScR-Apparent Weaknesses AR-Master of all trades. You are wrong here according to the test vids someone made the AsCR is more accurate than the AR (without skills) And the AsCR has slightly less DPS but slightly better Range. All in all both are quite comparable in combat performance. The thing is the AR gets pretty accurate when you invest quite some SP into this weapon: 25 % reduction in Recoil and 25 % reduction in Dispersion ist a lot but you have to invest 1.5 mill Sp to get there...



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