I use Breach Flaylock to compliment my Forge Gun. It works fine.

I would try to take your word for it, but you're using that with a heavy fit and I'm mostly a scout. heavies are usually allowed the time (and hps) to use something that would be rather unwieldy to a lesser armored class...

I don't know about you mate, but I've been using the Flay since it came out, and while it isn't the monster it was (thank god) it's still more than capable. And don't compare it to the MD, they're very different weapons, the only real similarity is that they both explode, and if that's cause enough to compare them then why not compare it to the Swarm Launcher?

I only have the standard FP, and I get kills with it every now and again. Its not broke, it can be deadly in the right hands actually. You must not have the right hands. No offence.

Its ok, the nurf hammer did fall a little harder than I think it should but I still get kills with it (without the core - not got it yet) The breach is only usable if the target is very occupied - my best was 4 kills and that was either while they tried to man equipment of climbing ladders, even then I needed to duel wield to damage them fast enough.
On the plus side they are very easy to fit compared to some sidearms (very little PG usage)
Also my current kill count for tanks is now 12 with using flaylock and flux's oh and 2 DS's but really gravity and a tall building did most of the work.

Yes at any significant range it is very challenging getting it to hit anything - what with 3D environments, the slow trajectory and the enemies general unwillingness to get hit (a little bunny hop should in no way render you immune to a freakin missile!) but yes it can be done. But really I can't comment until I get it maxed out and see how it fairs. Starting out with it (having never used it pre nurf) it is a tough sell, but then some ppl really hate the scrambler pistol.

I love the Missile Pistol - or Miss P*** as I like to call it

Heh very presumptuous..never said i didnt get any kills with it, I'm merely stating at how relatively harder I have to work with it to get any kills period vs. the much better weapon of the same nature the MD, and the games overall issues and bugs at using said weapon. I use both proto subs and adv scrambler pistols and do well as they work adequately, not so much the flaylock, due to points that i made. also show me proof of your escapades and i'll accept your truth, or show me in game...too many people on this forum are apparently super proficient and i dont see this anywhere in the actual game...then again im naturally a skeptic

Flaylocks= love hate relationship?

I never said I'm good with it, I'm far from good with it. I said I get kills with it every now and again, I would use an SMG, but I don't have the power grid for it. I have seen people do really good with it actually, its just not the freak of nature it used to be.

I only started using the Flaylock just before the nerf, and despite the fact that I am pretty damn good with the thing, I've never really had a problem with it. Maybe splash damage is a little low, but to get the best out of it now you need to have a good aim with it, that or damage modifiers too. You cant just shoot at peoples feet anymore though, that I have noticed.

I agree with hit detection though. Fix that and the Shotgun and im happy.

I take it you dont like scouts very much?

I take it you dont like scouts very much?

Of course not! He loves watching them fly after an explosion or, his favorite, cutting them in half with his new favorite toy.

No.
It's simply that scouts are subpar.

Heh...wonder how he feels when he gets a nova to the back or shot gun to the face...or when he simply can't keep up with them and gets himself flanked..or finding out that his new toy is useless when he cant touch the little buggers?

Above got that right. Im sorry but the flaylock is still a small sidearm and shouldnt have any more splash damage at all. IT would be a very small explosive charge and wouldnt have a large AOE. I think its fine considering its very small CPU/PG requirements. Its still effective in the right situations, and takes skill to kill effectively as a sidearm. I find it good for finishing people off when they are very low on health and trying to duck around a corner, or to embarrass an unaware red.... I know i put my head down when im killed by one....

Im sorry but the flaylock is still a small sidearm and shouldnt have any more splash damage at all. IT would be a very small explosive charge and wouldnt have a large AOE. I think its fine considering its very small CPU/PG requirements. Its still effective in the right situations, and takes skill to kill effectively as a sidearm. I find it good for finishing people off when they are very low on health and trying to duck around a corner, or to embarrass an unaware red.... I know i put my head down when im killed by one....

Actually, I run with him a lot and I love using the scanner. Good luck beating 28 dB scans, or even the 15 dB from the Focused scanner. Hard to get flanked when your blinking on our overview HUD.

Sorry bout the Ninja edit btw.

I use the Plasma Cannon on the Scout build suit I got.

'Valor Scout G-I

Plasma Cannon
'Dren' Scrambler Pistol
Locus Grenade
Compact Nanohive
Basic Light Damage Modifier
Kinetic Catalyzer
Basic Cardiac Regulator

It's surprisingly more survivable than I'd like to admit. I may toss away the Scrambler Pistol though. I don't deal enough damage with it against AR users.

Note: Just mentioning this due to the mentioning of scouts themselves. I don't like going heavy anymore. FGing people has gotten boring.

Geez what's with the scout hate o,0? then again scouts are usually for the twitchy relflex players that are used to thinking rather than plain shooting? since you wanna go the big headed route with this...

Well granted, let's say we took away the splash damage entirely but when by the description? According to that, they are supposed to ihome onto you.

I don't hate the scouts - I feel sorry for them. I would hate to die in three shots - and they're only slightly faster than assaults.

Well i feel sorry for heavies sometimes...they're like giant cute beached whales...slowly dying and unable to avoid it or run no matter how hard they try...and wrong, you apparently dont know what kinetics are >: D

Also if you're a heavy all the time..I'm certain you know what a CRG shotgun is by now ya?

Kincats can be utilised by medium frames as well, you realise? And better, because they have more slots and fitting resources.
The base speed difference between a scout and a medium frame is small. If you're setting up a medium frame for speed, it can outrun most scouts whilst sprinting while tanking a lot better.

I don't play heavy, and the last time I was shotgunned was probably Chromosome, where they were actually decent.

Are you my long lost relative?

See i've thought about that and have done it on occassion...but, when i have a medium frame the last thing i wanna do is fill that with kinetics when i can just use more armor plating, and the scout suit is still faster overall if the 2-3 modules are fitted with kinetics...and i think the scouts also still have more stanima and the movement penalties are less harsh than trying to speed up a medium, you strike a good point, but i'd just rather let my scout be a scout, never try putting a race engine in a sedan yknow? but to each his own on that. more slots are great, but isnt always better.

And what you have something against shotguns to? what DO you use then? WHAT is cool with you? what do you like?

Filling your lows with kincats on a medium frame may well be the last thing you want to do, but it can easily allow a medium frame to outperform a scout at speed tanking, especially combined with a shield tank. It'll be faster and more tanky than a scout fitted similarly.

Much as I'd like to use scouts as scouts and medium frames as medium frames, that doesn't change what can be done with the slot layouts of the medium frames.


You continue to misunderstand me. I have nothing against scouts, nothing against shotguns. I simply believe that they're not as good as they should be.

I have the standard one. Put some SP there when it was OP but never liked it.
Now I tried it the other day because it looks pretty and stylish, but it didn't do any damage, no blast radius apparently. Probably would work on a guy standing still (hacking or operating an installation), but in that case i'd rather be sure with a headshot using any other weapon. I'm way more effective with direct hit, so I stick to my SMG or Scrambler Pistol. There are no trophies or weapon stats in Dust, so i don't see the point in trying to vary your guns when others are just not that helpful. I do it sometimes for fun only, but there's no point at all.

I agree with the nerf anyway, it was too much. The thing is that maybe the Flaylock was simply not a good idea of a sidearm. Looks nice and may work for some, but it's too circumstancial.

'Syndicate' FTW!!!

Its been awhile since i played, can you still 1-2 hit militia fits with the Core.


I never thought the gun was imbalanced, but more so it was the game itself as in "sheild vs armor".