I hope before you do this ''vehicle rebalance'' you use your NUMBERS and stadistics for this purpose,and NOT do you balance based on feedback from the forums.

You must undestand that most good tankers are not here QQing all the time. As you can see, there is at least 1 Tank QQ thread per page all the way up to page 25.
we have tankers whining about AV nades,Swarms,Forge guns,(obviously , anything with the capacity to kill them) even some dude requesting for heavies not to be able to use LAV's. I mean LOL.

Use your numbers and stadistics , NOT FORUM FEEDBACK. The numbers you will see tell a different story these ''TANKERS'' tell here on the forums....Tanks DONT do bad,Tanks are NOT UP. TAnks ARE NOT WEAK. And PROTO TANKS are not needed. As it is , unless the map provides you with a VERY favorable AV position, in order to take a tank you need a LOT of firepower,luck and some teamwork, as it should be.....and its not uncommon for even with all this, to be unable to take down a tank...

Also, consider (if giving them a ''HP BUFF'') reducing the tanks speed. You know they are tanks not ferraris and the f***s already outrun the fastest of scouts,making it very difficult to get confirmed kills.

Also, if a tank is -+- HP, Recall SHOULD NOT BE AN OPTION. With the speed tanks boost , hit an run tactics are very abusable. As it is a tanker can attack, get hit 2-3 times, run away, recall damaged tank, call in another one....

Thanks for your time, and tankers, dont even post here.I really dont care what you have to say, all you do is complain and QQ,but while playing you do very well. What you express here on the forums is NOT what i see that happens in the battlefield,and i know you know most of it is BS.''I got 3HKO by a Proto FG'', ''Proto AV nades 1HKO my tank'' ''Swarms shoot 18 missiles for 3000+ damage....''. Yeah,sure...K-D ratios of 4+ and loosing 1 tank every 5 games is NOT a tragedy....
You guys overreact, a LOT....

It's never enough for them to keep the tank at bay, it always must be destroyed right now with minimal effort.

HAHAHAHAHAHA omg, you must be the worst forge gunner in this game's history! I really hope you're just trolling us... for yourself, I mean.

Even though I disagree, my respect for not camping towers.

Yes, bad tankers don't retreat, Their fault.

But something is wrong when I immediately activate my booster and retreat and still can't run away. With an Ishukone FG, proficiency and 2 damage mods you do more than 2000 damage every 2 seconds (I have an alt with FG), 4 clip size, more than enough to kill the best tanks in the game. If the forge gunner is on a tower, tell my where am I supposed to run?

Why isn't it enough to merely chase a tank away?

And no, you're lying, nobody can survive that much at once. Nobody

Seems your playing for yourself and WP, one of those ego drenched people, what you get is a tank away from the area, helping the rest of your team.

So tired of seeing AV people cry because non AV fitted infantry can kill them, or they swarmed a tank with all modules ready, then wonder why the tank got away( The reason being, your tactics were flawed), or forge gunner thinking they should be able to drive up to a tank and kill it instantly, then when they don't they jump in their LAV to chase it, in this time the tank is getting all its modules back.

Both sets of tactics are flawed. There are AV players who don't have these issues, because they know how to kill tanks, others think that grabbing lolswarms or a FG is an instant win ticket.

in your own words "Get Good!"

No, don't make me quote what I've already said.
"something is wrong when I immediately activate my booster and retreat and still can't run away". My Gunnlogi is a good Gunnlogi and it doesn't survive to an Ishukone FG.

Maybe you should trying tanking to realize how weak they are. I'm serious, I didn't know until I started tanking. If you want I'll drop a tank for you and let you drive it.

Tanks are too fragile for their ISK and SP cost.

yea well in my thread i had suggested making it so that heavies cant operate vehicles. keeps them from flying up to towers on their own, and from driving into our redlines, or attacking us with llavs and the driving off when they realize theyre losing.

if everyone is honest, heavies being able to operate vehicles, create instances that can be abused and not countered.

i think heavies should only be allowed to be passengers, until we the speeders, at which point the speeders should be free and be able to be operated by any dropsuit class

in terms of isk, you can die 5 or 6 times and still turn a profit in the same match, and definitely by your second match.

So why are you attacking it from where the driver is looking at?

Standing around in front of a tank is generally a bad idea.

Lol my side spec is heavy and forge. I used to do that during Chromosome. It's like old times, but better. Dunno what you're complaining about.

We play to win, payout is higher if team wins. Keeping the tank away from objective for your team will be more effective than just chasing it around the country side, then posting here cuz you couldn't kill a tank with a FG and a swarmer from 20m.
If your getting killed 5-6 times trying to kill the tank, your tactical postioning is off.

As for the modules LEARN and ADAPT, I see it as very obvious when a tanks guard drops, If your AV its a must to have knowledge of this. Especially if you have spent many many hours practicing with your FG, you should have noticed tanks attack patterns, how long they stick around, when they high tail it etc. Thats not an OP/UP tank, thats a lack of skill on your behalf.

Maybe you thought you got good, with how easy the FG is against infantry and so-so tankers, but you've admitted your being outclassed my the real ones.

As I said, if you watch em you should learn. I won't say how but if you know how you can screw a tank over very fast.

When your chasing the tank around with FG your team loses an effective infantry suppressor. There are forge gunners on this game who just seeing their name on the enemy roster can stop me calling in vehicles. They know how to render a tank useless whilst being in the infantry battle. Just because you skilled into FG, doesn't mean your skilled with it.