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DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
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Posted - 2013.09.21 16:10:00 -
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Just a quick question as this came up in another thread and has my interest. We all know in the coming months that the logi suits racial bonus's are going to be changed to be equipment based to allow the logis role to "truly shine", however I have seen a lot of people say that CCP are also unhappy with the logistics bonus of 1hp/s armour repair per level but cannot find anything about this.
So I ask, CCP do you have a problem with the Logi repair bonus? Does anyone have a source of them saying this? This is also not a QQ about the Logi suit in anyway but I have heard talk of this so I thought I would ask, no harm in asking right?  |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1905
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Posted - 2013.09.21 16:48:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:Just a quick question as this came up in another thread and has my interest. We all know in the coming months that the logi suits racial bonus's are going to be changed to be equipment based to allow the logis role to "truly shine", however I have seen a lot of people say that CCP are also unhappy with the logistics bonus of 1hp/s armour repair per level but cannot find anything about this. So I ask, CCP do you have a problem with the Logi repair bonus? Does anyone have a source of them saying this? This is also not a QQ about the Logi suit in anyway but I have heard talk of this so I thought I would ask, no harm in asking right?
I don't have a source nor care for finding it but believe me, as a former logistics player, this has been said before.
I actually like the rep bonus and think It really helps the armor based logi suits and even Minmatar suits because they go both ways.
But we'll have to see because with CCP it's either going to be a really good thing or they are going to completely screw it up but one thing's for sure though is that it will be delayed before getting here. |
Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
646
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:10:00 -
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I know people will flame me for this but I honestly think the base repair bonus needs to go. It's waaay too Assault oriented to be considered a proper Logi suit bonus. Logi bonus needs to either (a) provide fitting bonus for equipment or (b) increase overall efficacy of equipment.
The fact that all Logis get a base 5 hp/s on armor is why a lot of people feel (and correctly so) that the Logi functions as a better Assault suit than the Assault does. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
659
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:10:00 -
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Maybe it there because they are supposed to be supported and support others? |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1281
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:24:00 -
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I'll just never come off my belief that a logi suits cost more because of more modules and costs millions more in SP to be effective.
I will never be able to understand why people chose an assault suit if they are so in love with the stats of a logi suit. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
520
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:40:00 -
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Personally I'd like to see the logi suits get bonuses to non-equipment support features such as scanning and hacking, but also get a fixed penalty to ammo capacity. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1281
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:44:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Personally I'd like to see the logi suits get bonuses to non-equipment support features such as scanning and hacking, but also get a fixed penalty to ammo capacity.
Why an ammo penalty? So they can eat up their own hives so the team has less? |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
520
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:00:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Personally I'd like to see the logi suits get bonuses to non-equipment support features such as scanning and hacking, but also get a fixed penalty to ammo capacity. Why an ammo penalty? So they can eat up their own hives so the team has less?
Basically so they are overall less effective in combat than assaults, but without gimping them so they can't win a firefight in a pinch. |
pyramidhead 420
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:06:00 -
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repair bonus is fine. who heals the logi after he reps everyone and fills them with ammo, then everyone leaves and you're left standing there alone? or is the support role so thankless, that we get no reps without supplying them to ourselves? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1561
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:25:00 -
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pyramidhead 420 wrote:repair bonus is fine. who heals the logi after he reps everyone and fills them with ammo, then everyone leaves and you're left standing there alone? or is the support role so thankless, that we get no reps without supplying them to ourselves?
That's what repair modules are for. Logi's have more roles than the vanilla Logibro routine. |
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
686
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:18:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Personally I'd like to see the logi suits get bonuses to non-equipment support features such as scanning and hacking, but also get a fixed penalty to ammo capacity. Why an ammo penalty? So they can eat up their own hives so the team has less? Basically so they are overall less effective in combat than assaults, but without gimping them so they can't win a firefight in a pinch.
That's why all but one logi are without sidearm. |
Patrick57
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
296
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:42:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:I know people will flame me for this but I honestly think the base repair bonus needs to go. It's waaay too Assault oriented to be considered a proper Logi suit bonus. Logi bonus needs to either (a) provide fitting bonus for equipment or (b) increase overall efficacy of equipment.
The fact that all Logis get a base 5 hp/s on armor is why a lot of people feel (and correctly so) that the Logi functions as a better Assault suit than the Assault does.
Xender17 wrote:Maybe it's there because they are supposed to not be supported, but only support others. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5371
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:47:00 -
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Just don't touch the Minmatar racial. It works fen with the suit as a logi/scout hybrid just like the assaut is an assault/scout hybrid. |
Patrick57
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
296
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:47:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Personally I'd like to see the logi suits get bonuses to non-equipment support features such as scanning and hacking, but also get a fixed penalty to ammo capacity. Why an ammo penalty? So they can eat up their own hives so the team has less? Basically so they are overall less effective in combat than assaults, but without gimping them so they can't win a firefight in a pinch. That's why all but one logi are without sidearm.
Amarr Logi FTW |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
409
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:51:00 -
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I think one of those DEV-blogs mentioned something about minor technical issues or something as reason why it wasn't implemented in 1.3 yet.
I wonder what happened to those issues?
I wonder why CCP doesn't want to share the new bonusses, we'll have to know them someday? Or maybe they won't come? or maybe it has something to do with respecs? Or maybe .... |
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