You know...bump us up a bit...maybe add a extra 2 PG to Gallente scout and assault suits?

Not sure it can be 'about' anything. They only have a week and a half to finish it, so starting work on something new seems untenable if they can't finish something they've been working on for two months. That said, scouts needs some love, but I think that'll be fixed when the role bonus code is finished.

Yeah, I get ya...still...I can hope.

@Shattered Mirage, at the GD it says 1.5 update.

Son of a.....

Thanks Sietz.

wait.... I haven't head anything of 1.5 not being for vehicles anymore; someone mind explaining whats going on?

You know...bump us up a bit...maybe add a extra 2 PG to Gallente scout and assault suits?

There was only two 'content' features trimmed from 1.5 and several other smaller minor ones that needed more work. So most of the other features for 1.5 are still in such as Squad Finder and the new tutorials.

There was only two 'content' features trimmed from 1.5 and several other smaller minor ones that needed more work. So most of the other features for 1.5 are still in such as Squad Finder and the new tutorials.

Most of the features like adding some new menus, and a tutorial for what I cant see the urgent point of it right now, I might be slow.

So currently it is much more effective in the current environment to focus balance changes for patch releases instead and keep churning away at the back log.

Just stop IWS. This line is greatly insulting to people who have paid attention.

When the userbase was referring to 1.5 as "the vehicle patch" and then vehicle changes get removed, the patch was not "trimmed" it was gutted. The largest portion of the patch got pushed back, and in its place are some slightly useful features, but nothing terribly important(aside from the tutorials maybe making blues less re.tarded).

Oddly enough, you point about when patches get code locked is interesting. Because if I read it correctly, it was code locked BEFORE we had all those teasers dropped about new weapons coming in 1.5. Which makes it a very interesting decision to let someone makes teaser posts about something that CCP knew wasn't going to be in 1.5.

Oh well, same old same old up in this *****.

So are you telling us not expect balancing changes until the next patch release?

Is this info from CCP or are you making an assumption?

I am stating that balancing is a process.

Read
Think
Write
Test
Repeat 1-3 until acceptable
Deploy
Repeat 1-6 until acceptable

This process is never ending either.

Just right now Dust 514 is in an odd place as well with missing dominos.

So not CCP just an educated guess.

Or in other words CCP will release balance changes during patch releases then spend the next 3-6 months of hotfixes/beta testing them.

Thanks

Squad Finder and the new tutorials.

This is all I'm hearing from CCP and now you.

I'm fine with them delaying it as much as it frustrates me I'd rather have a complete product.

What's troubling me is that I'm only hearing about 2,3 things and it sounds like that's all that's going to be in 1.5.
If that's the case then don't even call it 1.5 delay the number and give us Uprising 1.43.

Well they could have easily canceled the whole patch though...

Those are not the only two things that where supposed to be in 1.5, remember 1.5 features were already drafted and decided on nearly two months ago. Finalized around 1.4's release and for reasons stated publically vehicles and guns were cut from 1.5's total feature list.

Given the obvious problems with being able to push content out, maybe they do need to drastically reduce their ambitions.

Obviously they are still dreaming far beyond their abilities as a development house.

If they need to shelve a couple of patches to get things on track they should do it. Don't try and wedge crap into a patch just to get a monthly release out the door.

Scouts are getting second equipment slot at proto and getting cloak as an active equipment. Confirmed by logibro in AOL chat room.

Scouts are getting second equipment slot at proto and getting cloak as an active equipment. Confirmed by logibro in AOL chat room.

This is a good start and will hopefully go a long way into increasing scout survivability.

Think they can be talked into giving the ADV a 2nd equipment slot as well?

Once the cloak is implemented (please be a scout-only equip), that will be an almost essential equipment for a scout. This means we won't have room to fit any other equipments useful for scouts (uplinks and scanners) below the proto. Even with a cloak, I imagine our death count will still be fairly high which makes running the proto suit.... unappealing.

You know...bump us up a bit...maybe add a extra 2 PG to Gallente scout and assault suits?

Scouts are getting second equipment slot at proto and getting cloak as an active equipment. Confirmed by logibro in AOL chat room.

well development happens nonetheless, I am thankful they did pull it instead of just saying eff it publish it broken. In return you guys are getting some stats pretty soon about the changes that were supposed to go in for the guns and vehicles so that should give the spreadsheet fu guys something to theorycraft with.

People will have a fit if only scouts can cloak.

Scouts are getting second equipment slot at proto and getting cloak as an active equipment. Confirmed by logibro in AOL chat room.

Check out the Dev post by CCP Logibro.

Bottom line: New weapons and vehicle changes delayed.


Munch

Just to confirm, I did not make the above statement. Please don't put words in CCP's mouth.

Just to confirm, I did not make the above statement. Please don't put words in CCP's mouth.

Confirmed that Scouts are working as intended then?

Sorry.... It was a joke guys. I thought the "AOL chat room" thing would be enough of a hint but I guess it wasn't.

As a scout myself, I am ashamed for leading you on.

Also, lol.

Thanks for clearing that up, CCP_Logibro.
Not cool, AAGMUNDR. Not cool :p

Just finish the nova knife skill tree for this patch an I ll be happy, been saving sp for this

like add more knives?

1.5 also did not have everything needed for vehicles would have made it in either as there was going to be a large number of concepts removed had 1.5 launched with vehicles that would have moseyed their way back in 1.6 or subsequent patches. For example from wolfman's post how many of you saw sensors mentioned on the type of modules?

As for work on 1.5 most of it has been code locked around the time 1.4 launched. It takes about a month for QA from two teams to plow through it, one for playability and quality(CCP), the other for system stability (Sony) about two weeks apiece.

Also balance changes as much as CCP would love to rapid fire these types of things the CPM found out they are not rapid fireable as we would hope they could be. To do changes week to week requires a scheduling nearly a month being before. Then the week for any individual item afterwards nearly takes a week to observe and absorb or much longer because players are funny creatures sometimes, we figure out how to break the games unimagined by the developers at times. So currently it is much more effective in the current environment to focus balance changes for patch releases instead and keep churning away at the back log.

There was only two 'content' features trimmed from 1.5 and several other smaller minor ones that needed more work. So most of the other features for 1.5 are still in such as Squad Finder and the new tutorials.

Scouts are getting second equipment slot at proto and getting cloak as an active equipment. Confirmed by logibro in AOL chat room.

Well they could have easily canceled the whole patch though...

Those are not the only two things that where supposed to be in 1.5, remember 1.5 features were already drafted and decided on nearly two months ago. Finalized around 1.4's release and for reasons stated publically vehicles and guns were cut from 1.5's total feature list.

well development happens nonetheless, I am thankful they did pull it instead of just saying eff it publish it broken. In return you guys are getting some stats pretty soon about the changes that were supposed to go in for the guns and vehicles so that should give the spreadsheet fu guys something to theorycraft with.

Just to confirm, I did not make the above statement. Please don't put words in CCP's mouth.

Well they could have easily canceled the whole patch though...

Those are not the only two things that where supposed to be in 1.5, remember 1.5 features were already drafted and decided on nearly two months ago. Finalized around 1.4's release and for reasons stated publically vehicles and guns were cut from 1.5's total feature list.

You just couldn't let me be happy could you?

If all of these changes were slated over a month ago, and the weapons and the additions have been in the works for nearly a half of a year or more, how am I to incorporate this failed attempt to credibly justify the perceivable utter lack of content with a comment that equates to "you could have gotten nothing, so shut up and be happy with the crap that you are getting?"

IWS, that is a slap to the face. Honestly if it was said to someone's face, the person initiating the comment may have gotten slapped themselves.

This is an affront to any kind of sensible interaction or relative consideration to the player base. And you people wonder why all of us players can't trust either the CPM or CCP.

All I see is that once again, as the long line of succession show all of us players, is that CCP is like my fathers old saying, "shite in one hand and wish in the other. See which one fills up first."

Lately, though there have been changes, the current stream of thought and the product that has been handed to this community is that we have been fed dreamy wishes and CCP fantasy but all we have gotten is a steaming pile of dung with a small nugget of burning coal to set it off.

If you could only see how happy I am and the smile on my face

Well since vehicles are pushed back to 1.6.. Scout buff is going to be pushed back to 1.7...which means scouts will get love in 1.8 because its CCP...

3 more months of being UP

question just dinged in my head... what racial bonuses will the Cal and Amarr scouts have

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Just to confirm, I did not make the above statement. Please don't put words in CCP's mouth.

just to confirm there is no blue tag on this thread, you lost your blue tag. please go find it before its lost forever.

That title was a **** move.......

1.5 is going to be all about assault rifles. Because CCP.

I was wondering about that. Maybe someone hacked into LogiBros account and posted that comment. So it wasn't a official blue post.

The "Scout Buff" post was pure sarcasm.
Whoever said "we wanted to believe" hit the nail on the head.

Every now and then I can do without truth and reality...

Wait why?

You basically said "It isn't about vehicles, so instead of changing it back since they need it, Make Light frames better!" That's why.

Is there any chance we could get some sort of proper discussion thread for cloaking?

Possibly a stickied blue tag post from CCP with the devs ideas as I am intrested to hear their thoughts. We can also discuss what we as players have in mind for cloaking in DUST.

Personally I love the idea of brining cloaking into dust however I am unsure how exactly people would suggest going about it and you know the pros and cons for the different drop-suit types using a cloak.

You basically said "It isn't about vehicles, so instead of changing it back since they need it, Make Light frames better!" That's why.

all I know is that it's an equipment item and it makes you transparent (not completely invisible). As far as pros and cons for each class...idk. So yea, a cloak specific CCP thread would actually be nice.

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I still don't think heavies should be able to cloak.

Well I think they shouldn't be able to use sniper rifles but anyway they will be making more use of the deployable shield then anything else.

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wait, were getting shields?

*nod*

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[quote=ALPHA DECRIPTER]Fudge yeah! Heavies are gonna be baddass.

Will they indestructible? Or have a set amount of HP?

Then-again they may remodel the sentinel to have an equip slot when this happens (I hope).

I hope not, the last thing we need are heavies with nanohives.