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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:10:00 -
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I called this last month - the current CPM have little interest in the actual players and want only to further their own goals and agendas assuming that they still play. When I called for an election so we could choose who we wanted, the CPM bashed the idea in what appears to me as a power grab. Just my thoughts. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:23:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Jenza isnt playing anymore since she moved
Havent seen Kane at all since 1.2
Have never seen Nova, IWS or the other guy in game ever
I also dont think we should have EVE players on the CPM, thats like letting a dust player whos done the 21 day free trial be on the CSM That makes no sense, who on the CPM is a EVE player that got in by playing dust for only 21 days. I was in a squad with Kain just yesterday.
Kain's interest in the game has always been how he can break it or twist it into his own vision (not ours). He may play the game, but he speaks for himself only. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:27:00 -
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Criteria Shipment wrote:IWS response in 59...58...57...
And his response will be
1) Passive aggreesive, and
2) Changing the topic to make himself look good |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:38:00 -
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Nova is MIA as well.
Laurent - never heard of him before he was identified as a "voice" in Dust and I've been in Beta since May of last year. He (?) has never said anything or communicated with the community.
IWS communicates, yes, to make himself look good. When you suggest something contrary to his vision, he shuts you out.
I've already said what I think of Kane.
Jenza was very active until she was selected for CPM and I could respect her. She and Nova are the two that I would respect enough to represent me, and they are no longer here, leaving us with the only two active CPM members as the ones who don't care about the community.
Yes we need elections. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:45:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Jenza isnt playing anymore since she moved
Havent seen Kane at all since 1.2
Have never seen Nova, IWS or the other guy in game ever
I also dont think we should have EVE players on the CPM, thats like letting a dust player whos done the 21 day free trial be on the CSM That makes no sense, who on the CPM is a EVE player that got in by playing dust for only 21 days. I was in a squad with Kain just yesterday. Kain's interest in the game has always been how he can break it or twist it into his own vision (not ours). He may play the game, but he speaks for himself only. lol if u think this @OP: kain plays
That is all Imperfects ever attempted to do, and he was their "spokesman". When asked about things, Kane would yell and rant and rave on the forums like a mad man. He may put on an act now, but we've seen who he was before he was selected for this, and I remember how he treated people when he was a big fish in a little pond. Now, since he was selected for his current role, he tries to distance himself from his past - so that he can be re-elected.
His post in this thread, while admirable, does not change how he treated me or others in the past. I refuse to support a man who never even thought to apologize to the community that he did his best to destroy. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 22:06:00 -
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gbghg wrote:jesus christ can we stop with this negative CPM garbage already? its tiring and just adds to the pile of negativity in these forums, which is way to big anyway. the CPM0 isnt going to change until the election apparatus is in place, and thats being set up, its one of the CPM0's core duties, their founding reason, CCP won't just let them ignore it. as for their activity, they do need to work on being more visible, it undermines threads like these, and yes some of them will go through periods of inactivity, RL always comes first, no exceptions, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
and about the people on the CPM, hell i trust them way more than some of the other forum personalities around, they seem to be decidedly neutral to specific roles, which is good, the moment we get elections you can bet that we're going to start seeing things like a tankers canidate who's going to push CCP relentlessly on issues relating to tanks. the thought of some of the people on these forums actually getting a direct line to CCP and the ability to give feedback on planned features horrifies me, imagine char or regynum with that power. i'm really wary of an elected CPM, and i'll do my best to stay away from it, i can just see it turning into a clusterfuck that will turn this forum into an even bigger mire and that will do serious harm to dust.
One thread every couple of weeks asking for change it too much? I respect you, and have for a long time, but if the voters are not happy with representation, then new representation is needed. If their job is to put the elections in place, then that is what they need to do.
There is a lot of negativity, yes, but there is also a lot of positivity on these forums - none directed at the CPM we currently have that I have seen. Point me to a thread that says that they are doing a good job - I'd love to see it.
Also - the CPM's personal lives definately come first. That said, they should also communicate with the community when they are going to be away. They took an added responsibility over that of normal players to be the face of the community. If they are going to be gone for a while - tell us. If you are no longer able to fulfill the responsibility that you VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE, then step down. Siimple. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 22:13:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Forlorn Destrier:
HTFU
Expressing my opinion, just like the others. You don't like the opinion - fine. Your choice.
If I remember right, though, you were one of the ones trying to tear down the community as well. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 22:28:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:gbghg wrote:jesus christ can we stop with this negative CPM garbage already? its tiring and just adds to the pile of negativity in these forums, which is way to big anyway. the CPM0 isnt going to change until the election apparatus is in place, and thats being set up, its one of the CPM0's core duties, their founding reason, CCP won't just let them ignore it. as for their activity, they do need to work on being more visible, it undermines threads like these, and yes some of them will go through periods of inactivity, RL always comes first, no exceptions, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
and about the people on the CPM, hell i trust them way more than some of the other forum personalities around, they seem to be decidedly neutral to specific roles, which is good, the moment we get elections you can bet that we're going to start seeing things like a tankers canidate who's going to push CCP relentlessly on issues relating to tanks. the thought of some of the people on these forums actually getting a direct line to CCP and the ability to give feedback on planned features horrifies me, imagine char or regynum with that power. i'm really wary of an elected CPM, and i'll do my best to stay away from it, i can just see it turning into a clusterfuck that will turn this forum into an even bigger mire and that will do serious harm to dust. One thread every couple of weeks asking for change it too much? I respect you, and have for a long time, but if the voters are not happy with representation, then new representation is needed. If their job is to put the elections in place, then that is what they need to do. There is a lot of negativity, yes, but there is also a lot of positivity on these forums - none directed at the CPM we currently have that I have seen. Point me to a thread that says that they are doing a good job - I'd love to see it. Also - the CPM's personal lives definately come first. That said, they should also communicate with the community when they are going to be away. They took an added responsibility over that of normal players to be the face of the community. If they are going to be gone for a while - tell us. If you are no longer able to fulfill the responsibility that you VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE, then step down. Siimple. the thing is, i've rarely seen actual grievances in those threads, most of the time it consists of the OP angrily posting how he feels like the cpm isn't doing enough to help his role, or how the CPM should be more pro-tanks or pro-assaults etc and then we see the same old names leaping in to rag on the CPM members, im tired of these threads because theyre basically a template right now insert small grievance here add in CPM post trying to explain how the CPM works and how they're trying to provide community feedback to CCP add in forum warriors leaping in on CPM post and mocking it for no reason other than bitteness. and maybe some of the grievances against the CPM could be laid to rest if people actually went into the council chamber, heinz's has the weekly update thread which is definitely worth a browse every week, and you can toss a question at the CPM, like i did with my thread on tiercide in there, IWS provided some good feedback on the individual CPM's positions on it. and agian some members of the CPM like heinz and jenza did provide notification of holidays, moves etc, that said jenza really does need to make an appearence, she needs to be seen to be back. as for positive CPM threads, i remember a couple of positive posts but i draw a complete blank on threads :/, end of the day its still early days yet, while its all well and good for several voters to make lots of noise about removing the current CPM and replacing them its not helpful on the how side of things, the elections will come when they come, we really don't want to rush this process.
Tellyou what - I'll be open to considering each of the current CPM for election when it comes, but they've got to show me something. IWS using passive aggressive replies to suggestions and his not so subtle way to redirect threads to make himself look better isn't going to cut it though.
Kane's rare attempts at showing he now cares about the community in a 180 degree about face is going to have to be legit and consistent. He needs to show he cares here on the forums and in the threads.
Nova, Jenza, Hans, Laurent - they must appear on the forums as well. They cannot be absent; even if all they do is to post something funny to show that they CARE about the community, then that is enough.
If they want my support, it's got to be earned because so far I've seen nothing that does the trick. I'll lay aside what I've seen up until now, and will see what happens from here. If there is no change in behavior by our "representatives", then I see no reason to support them.
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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.09.17 22:53:00 -
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gbghg wrote:that's fair enough, but as i've said if you want to see people like hans and laurent on the forums the best place to check and post in is the council chamber, not everything has to go in GD.
You're right it doesn't - but you know what? If they want to be part of the community then they still need to post here too. Their job is to be a bridge between the community and CCP, and not just a group that reports on things that they can tell us that don't violate their NDA. They are meant to be leaders of the community as well - and this is where they fail.
Posting in the Counsel Chamber is nice in terms of helping the game, but to be a leader of the community, you have to be part of the community and not apart from it. Squading up from channels that not everyone joins is great for those in those channels. That said, they are not the entire community, and there are a lot more players (like myself) who don't join those channels because we don't enjoy talking to people high on drugs or alcohol.
Post here. Joke here. Telling me what your NDA allows you to share doesn't show you are part of the community. What does say that you are part of the community is actually being part of the community. The closest we have to this is IWS. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 22:58:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Lmfao scrub you don't know anything how many events has he done for the community? And kept the Imperfects out of it so we wouldn't "ruin" your experience. ..only reply if you know something other wise you can keep looking like a dumb ass
1) The Imperfects were the best but not unbeatable; you in the tournaments would have been fine with me
2) He started these events only to try to improve the Imperfects image that he also helped to create, not to make the community a better place - and he was as responsible for the bad attitude the Imperfects had as the rest of you were to being with.
3) I also said I'm willing to forget his past and focus on the present, but I see you chose to ignore that. |
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