there is a straightforward, albeit one-time labor intensive way to fix redline firing (by snipers, tanks or anything else), that I havent seen suggested yet.

CCP could make it so that team-specific redline areas, could never have line-of-sight to anything in neutral territory.


(the other, easier method already suggested, would be to simply have zero reward given for kills made from behind redline)

Personally, though, I'd like to see less redline entirely, in all maps except ambush maps.

I actually haven't seen any redline sniping with the new maps and sockets. I thought this was a thing of the past.

I can agree to this, but why not just take out the team specific red line and give both teams access to the entire map.

The game was originally like this. People spawn camped the other side into the ground and it was horrible. The red-line was invented to give loosing teams a chance to fight back.

there is a straightforward, albeit one-time labor intensive way to fix redline firing (by snipers, tanks or anything else), that I havent seen suggested yet.

CCP could make it so that team-specific redline areas, could never have line-of-sight to anything in neutral territory.


(the other, easier method already suggested, would be to simply have zero reward given for kills made from behind redline)

Personally, though, I'd like to see less redline entirely, in all maps except ambush maps.

No rewards has been discussed internally. No decision made.

No rewards has been discussed internally. No decision made.

I do kind of like the idea however of the no site in and out of the neutral (main battleground) play area. I will try to mention this in next Game Design meetings I attend to get some feedback on it. No promises, but I will toss the idea into the mix at least.

This should work both ways. You should earn no points behind the redline and you should be worth no points behind the redline. This would prevent teams from shutting their opponents down entirely GÇö right now an Orbital earned behind a redline can help a team break out, but denying them that opportunity while continuing to reward a team forcing their opponent into that situation seemsGǪ unfair.

I seem to remember this from one of the early Battlefield games. Teams spawned on carriers, and players on the carrier neither earned nor awarded points to discourage people from sniping from them all game. (It didn't prevent it GÇö I still made a habit of frustrating the enemy team without earning points. The ISK put on the line in DUST would further discourage it.)

What am I thinking? Surely this has all been discussed, too.

I actually haven't seen any redline sniping with the new maps and sockets. I thought this was a thing of the past.

Or the redline could be reworked in some large warhouse or make use of the tunnels in sone maps

No rewards has been discussed internally. No decision made.

I do kind of like the idea however of the no site in and out of the neutral (main battleground) play area. I will try to mention this in next Game Design meetings I attend to get some feedback on it. No promises, but I will toss the idea into the mix at least.

Redline snipers are a bit less common in Skirm, but Dom's still pretty thick with 'em (today, at least).
+1 OP for the creative remedy.

I still wish to someday watch Dinosaurs or Dune worms gobbling redline campers, but the idea hasn't caught much traction.

- Shotty GoBang

PS: I love snipers. Short of an OB, they're dang near the only way to get a Forge Gun Heavy off a rooftop or spire.

No rewards has been discussed internally. No decision made.

I do kind of like the idea however of the no site in and out of the neutral (main battleground) play area. I will try to mention this in next Game Design meetings I attend to get some feedback on it. No promises, but I will toss the idea into the mix at least.

PS it's still possible to camp base spawns, if there is only one left.
If there's line of sight, all another team has to do is pull in a few tanks.
and/or dropships.

If it was so bad before, I'm surprised it doesnt still happen.

No rewards has been discussed internally. No decision made.

I do kind of like the idea however of the no site in and out of the neutral (main battleground) play area. I will try to mention this in next Game Design meetings I attend to get some feedback on it. No promises, but I will toss the idea into the mix at least.

Correct, that's what "I" was I brought the idea forward to the designers.

No rewards has been discussed internally. No decision made.

I do kind of like the idea however of the no site in and out of the neutral (main battleground) play area. I will try to mention this in next Game Design meetings I attend to get some feedback on it. No promises, but I will toss the idea into the mix at least.

Another alternative to this, would be to give players a greater spawn-invulnerability time.
The current one is pathetic. There may as well not be any.
I barely have time to figure out which way I am FACING, let alone if there are any threats, let alone have time to run, or figure out which WAY to run, or fire back, or...

There obviously is SOME spawn invulnerability. of what, all of 2 seconds?
I think it needs to be 5 or more. then redlines could be gone.


(technical note: there may literally be "5 seconds of invulnerability" already programmed in. If so, the problem is that console loading time, and potential net lag time, is eating up at least 3 of them. So make it 4 seconds longer than (whatever it is now))