DUST Search - Quastion about Gallente Dropsuits

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Basically, infantry combat philosophies don't stick with Eve combat philosophies for reasons and magic.

What it boils down to is Amarr combat philosophy is all about synergy and balance, which makes sense on a spiritual point of view but it sort of falls short when you consider that they are the slowest in game, sort of a misnomer that detracts from their "omni" tanking considering there are a number of factors that prevent them from effectively armor tanking.

One of which is their prominence toward laser based weaponry which is often high on PG resources, but likewise they've been given more CPU/PG resources than other dropsuits for that reason.

Another reason is because they move slowly and adding armor compounds that issue if you're using armor plating that's worth a damn.

Basically - Gallente are going to be the new flavor of the month very soon whenever everyone finally realizes that Armor is viable and they can stack damage mods in the highs without sacrificing tank.

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Mighty No 9 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:41:00 - [1] - Quote Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr?
Shadow Of-Chaos Club Midnight 79	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:49:00 - [2] - Quote because they focus on armor. just like caldari focus on shields. its what they specialize in.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6246	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:52:00 - [3] - Quote Shadow Of-Chaos wrote: because they focus on armor. just like caldari focus on shields. its what they specialize in. Amarr is supposed to be more Armor focused than Gallente, to my knowledge. Also. When the flux are we getting our Gallente Heavy!?!?!
DootDoot Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:54:00 - [4] - Quote Should of been Quafestion
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 243	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:59:00 - [5] - Quote Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know **** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers.
Mighty No 9 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:59:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Shadow Of-Chaos wrote: because they focus on armor. just like caldari focus on shields. its what they specialize in. Amarr is supposed to be more Armor focused than Gallente, to my knowledge. Also. When the flux are we getting our Gallente Heavy!?!?! yes exactly all amaar ships tend to be exceptional armor tankers, with the thickest armor and best resistances of the four playable factions Gallente are also Armor tanker but have still less Armor than amar in eve why not in Dust ?
Shadow Of-Chaos Club Midnight 79	Posted - 2013.09.14 20:00:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Shadow Of-Chaos wrote: because they focus on armor. just like caldari focus on shields. its what they specialize in. Amarr is supposed to be more Armor focused than Gallente, to my knowledge. Also. When the flux are we getting our Gallente Heavy!?!?! the amarr are too busy looking in the mirror at their pretty suits. and yeah, ive been patiently waiting for the gallente heavy suit. i needs it.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 169	Posted - 2013.09.14 20:42:00 - [8] - Quote Mighty No 9 wrote: Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr? OMG (send this to rookie training grounds) because amarr is shields and armor and galante is armor only, caldari is shields only, and minmatar is shields.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 324	Posted - 2013.09.14 20:43:00 - [9] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Mighty No 9 wrote: Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr? OMG (send this to rookie training grounds) because amarr is shields and armor and galante is armor only, caldari is shields only, and minmatar is shields. Accually amarr is more armour based then gallente
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 245	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:35:00 - [10] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Mighty No 9 wrote: Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr? OMG (send this to rookie training grounds) because amarr is shields and armor and galante is armor only, caldari is shields only, and minmatar is shields. In EVE amaar are the main armour tankers, gallenete are armour and speed, Caldari are shields and Minimatar are a mix of shield/ armour /speed

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3212	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:36:00 - [11] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Mighty No 9 wrote: Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr? OMG (send this to rookie training grounds) because amarr is shields and armor and galante is armor only, caldari is shields only, and minmatar is shields. Accually amarr is more armour based then gallente No, they're not. In EVE they are, but not in Dust. This can clearly be seen in the slot layouts - Amarr suits have more balanced layouts, while Gallente suits are low slot heavy.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 186	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:38:00 - [12] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Mighty No 9 wrote: Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr? OMG (send this to rookie training grounds) because amarr is shields and armor and galante is armor only, caldari is shields only, and minmatar is shields. And this is wrong. Amarr armor buffer tank, Gallente armor active tank, Caldari shield tank, Minmatar shield speed tank. Usually. This is one of the things that irritate me the most about Dust. The blatant disregard for established racial differences, both in suit design and racial bonuses.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 246	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:46:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Mighty No 9 wrote: Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr? OMG (send this to rookie training grounds) because amarr is shields and armor and galante is armor only, caldari is shields only, and minmatar is shields. Accually amarr is more armour based then gallente No, they're not. In EVE they are, but not in Dust. This can clearly be seen in the slot layouts - Amarr suits have more balanced layouts, while Gallente suits are low slot heavy. Which is a problem, its stupid that they are hybrid tankers.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3845	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:47:00 - [14] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know **** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers. dafuq is this "EVE" you speak of?
Cosgar ParagonX 5249	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:51:00 - [15] - Quote OP, I'm going to +1 you just for the name since I've already donated $100 to Inafune's cause.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 186	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:53:00 - [16] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know **** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers. dafuq is this "EVE" you speak of? The one thing that separates Dust from all the other forgetful FPS failures that are released all the time.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3846	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:55:00 - [17] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know ** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers. dafuq is this "EVE" you speak of? The one thing that separates Dust from all the other forgetful FPS failures** that are released all the time. to be fair, the same can be said about DUST.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2917	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:59:00 - [18] - Quote Basically, infantry combat philosophies don't stick with Eve combat philosophies for reasons and magic. What it boils down to is Amarr combat philosophy is all about synergy and balance, which makes sense on a spiritual point of view but it sort of falls short when you consider that they are the slowest in game, sort of a misnomer that detracts from their "omni" tanking considering there are a number of factors that prevent them from effectively armor tanking. One of which is their prominence toward laser based weaponry which is often high on PG resources, but likewise they've been given more CPU/PG resources than other dropsuits for that reason. Another reason is because they move slowly and adding armor compounds that issue if you're using armor plating that's worth a damn. Basically - Gallente are going to be the new flavor of the month very soon whenever everyone finally realizes that Armor is viable and they can stack damage mods in the highs without sacrificing tank.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 601	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:32:00 - [19] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Basically, infantry combat philosophies don't stick with Eve combat philosophies for reasons and magic. What it boils down to is Amarr combat philosophy is all about synergy and balance, which makes sense on a spiritual point of view but it sort of falls short when you consider that they are the slowest in game, sort of a misnomer that detracts from their "omni" tanking considering there are a number of factors that prevent them from effectively armor tanking. One of which is their prominence toward laser based weaponry which is often high on PG resources, but likewise they've been given more CPU/PG resources than other dropsuits for that reason. Another reason is because they move slowly and adding armor compounds that issue if you're using armor plating that's worth a damn. Basically - Gallente are going to be the new flavor of the month very soon whenever everyone finally realizes that Armor is viable and they can stack damage mods in the highs without sacrificing tank. Hey buddy come around this corner for a second would ya?
Visala Telephia Luminous Order of the Prismatic Maiden 6	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:33:00 - [20] - Quote I think that its important for us to look at DUST's own established lore. The Amarr are the ones who first established clone soldiers, and as such, would be the first to go storming every other race and faction. This means that they would need a balanced suit, contrary to their normal strategy of having such large armor buffers that nothing gets through. And of course, the true Amarr philosophy has nothing to do with armor. That's just a result of their history with regards to coldsleep based star voyages and needing lumbering ships that won't die if left more or less unattended for decades on end. The true Amarr philosophy is completely on display in DUST, and that is rather simple: Burn the heathens in holy fire. All true Amarr weapons are laser based, and lasers work the same in DUST as in EVE in terms of damage, minus the freedom of ammunition types modding the EM-Thermal balance. So, given those factors, and that Gallente happens to be the active armor tanking specialized race, it does make some sense that the Gallente would design their dropsuits around what they already knew would work for them. The Caldari suits are all based around shields, as they are supposed to be. Minmatar suits seem a bit off compared to EVE, but then, without speed tanking, versatility is really the only option for them to set them apart. Beyond that, I will concede that its a bit odd for the Amarr to be balanced even given those things. Especially when we look at things from a... pirates invading the ground standpoint. Blood Raiders and Sansha's Nation eat shields like no tommorow, and literally in the former case.

Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 459	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:35:00 - [21] - Quote Amarr has highest overall ehp, but gallaente is armour speacilised, hence why it has more armour!!
Thor McStrut Reckoners 186	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:38:00 - [22] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know ** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers. dafuq is this "EVE" you speak of? The one thing that separates Dust from all the other forgetful FPS failures** that are released all the time. to be fair, the same can be said about DUST. Exactly my point. Without Eve, Dust is just another failure. The potential connection between Eve and Dust is the only thing holding this game afloat atm.
Keeriam Miray Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:39:00 - [23] - Quote See RACIAL PHILOSOPHIES up there?.. now try to convince me that Dust devs not doin't "something" wrong all the time Caldaris av nades & swarms are explosive dased weapons? BS! Gallente EM Flux nades? BS! Ammar dual tank? BS! I can continue but... it's by design they say
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 982	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:44:00 - [24] - Quote I guess because it would make Gallente the worst if they got lower armour and lower shields. At least Smart still have the highest base ehp.
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 213	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:45:00 - [25] - Quote I guess it's a bit late to change stuff up now and well the amarr suits work okay with their duel tanking role. (everything looks like it's bloddy duel tanked now ) The biggest problem i see regarding all the suits are that caldari still got quite a few lows to spam in some incredibly effective basic armour plates (and maybe even a little repper if they want) giving them what i've named a "passive active buffer armour shield tank" The armour plate changes have done well something though what everybody asked for was that the higher end armour plates got better and the low ones well kept being not as good as the high end ones. Making like specialized armour suits like gallente (and also the amarr) more equal to caldari and minmatar. Instead everybody now just runs around with a ton of armour and a lot of shield as like a bonus on the side .....
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1063	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:47:00 - [26] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know **** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers. This is dust,we dont care what AMARR Space ships in EVE specialize in. I like being a dual tanker. :3 Freakn eve fanboys, want everything to be exactly the same as eve,instead of improvement.....
Keeriam Miray Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:51:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: improvement "improvement" eh? **** the lore & New Eden universe?
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 459	Posted - 2013.09.14 23:01:00 - [28] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know **** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers. This is dust,we dont care what AMARR Space ships in EVE specialize in. I like being a dual tanker. :3 Freakn eve fanboys, want everything to be exactly the same as eve,instead of improvement..... There are lot disparities between the infantry dust side, and the spaceship eve side, however most can be expalined. Now you see in eve amarr has longest range right? Yet in dust its caldari, now while technically every weapon in eve should have unlimited range, could you imagine the fallout from a spacebattle, you could be flying through high sec, we a barrage of minimatar rounds fired from null sec teat ship apart, oh joy!! However on the ground, caldari has the highest range because of the rail gun technology, unlike amarian lazers they don't have a focal point where the photons are mos concentrated, meaning that the gun doesn't havento be "zeroed" in that respect!! Amarrians are dual tankers because they are the invincible vessel of god, they are his weapon, and a weapon is no good if it isn't incredibly durable!!
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 250	Posted - 2013.09.14 23:33:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know **** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers. This is dust,we dont care what AMARR Space ships in EVE specialize in. I like being a dual tanker. :3 Freakn eve fanboys, want everything to be exactly the same as eve,instead of improvement..... Iv never even played EVE, but I think a game based in the New Eden Universe should at least have some measure of similarities since its Dusts SELLING POINT.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 73	Posted - 2013.09.14 23:47:00 - [30] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Mighty No 9 wrote: Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr? OMG (send this to rookie training grounds) because amarr is shields and armor and galante is armor only, caldari is shields only, and minmatar is shields. OMG OMG (Blonde white girl voice) Send yourself to rookie training grounds

Mighty No 9 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.09.29 11:02:00 - [31] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Mighty No 9 wrote: Why have Gallente Dropsuits more armor than Amarr? OMG (send this to rookie training grounds) because amarr is shields and armor and galante is armor only, caldari is shields only, and minmatar is shields. And this is wrong. Amarr armor buffer tank, Gallente armor active tank, Caldari shield tank, Minmatar shield speed tank. Usually. This is one of the things that irritate me the most about Dust. The blatant disregard for established racial differences, both in suit design and racial bonuses. yes exactly, same Bonuses to dropsuit shield recharge rate???? the other thing what bothers me is the difference between Medium Dropsuit and Assault Dropsuit all characteristics are the same for example Amarr Medium Frame ak.0 Prototype max.pg70 kW max cpu350 gF shield 180 HP armor 180 HP 20.0 HP/s 6.0 s 10.0 s 0.0 HP/s 4.8 m/s 6.7 m/s 20.0 s 200 20.0 /s 50 dB 55 dB 10 m 100 HP 3 3 1 1 1 1 Assault ak.0 Prototype max. pg70 kW max cpu350 gF shield 180 HP armor 180 HP 20.0 HP/s 6.0 s 10.0 s 0.0 HP/s 4.8 m/s 6.7 m/s 20.0 s 200 20.0 /s 50 dB 55 dB 10 m 110 HP 3 3 1 1 1 1 (source: http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Medium_Dropsuits#Assault) the only difference is Assault have more Melee Damage than Medium my point is Amarr (Gallente, Minmattar and Caldari) Medium Frame(s) ak.0 is/are not worth to train after all pleas fix this ccp :)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9046	Posted - 2013.09.29 11:04:00 - [32] - Quote Slow and heavy and lots of HP don't worn in most FPSs nicely. Amarr still has probably the best ratio of EHP though over any other race.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1608	Posted - 2013.09.29 13:20:00 - [33] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Its because dumbasses on the forums who dont know **** about EVE lore wanted Amaar to be duel tankers. I don't recall it ever being a community decision/appeal to have Gallente be armour tankers.
Sleekit1 Black Phoenix Mercenaries 2	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:11:00 - [34] - Quote If the Gallante are supposed to be the armour specialists why is it the penalties for armour use are across the board and no different for Gallante? Why is it the Minmatar suit has built in armour reps and not the " armour specialist" Gallante? I only ask as I run Gallante assault suits with lots of armour, apart from the base starting point there seem few " armour specialist" advantages!


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