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Long Evity wrote:

Baal Roo wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Apparently TP = all of EON.

FEC could have attacked any other corp in EON that was open.

They didn't.

Sorry, but TP = EON

Once TP had all their own districts locked up, they had time to ring for the rest of EON. So even though the rest of you guys can argue that TP were the only one's locking their districts, and it didn't effect the rest of the war; it's just not true.

Locking up almost half of your districts also has the effect of doubling your effective power on the districts that were left open.

Furthermore, if the rest of EON was fine with locking up that much of their holdings, why would anyone assume that if FEC made further progress you wouldn't just start locking up more?

Look at it from the perspective of the FEC; Should they simply have just believed "yes, EON has continued to lock more and more districts as FEC has continued to push harder and harder, but that trend won't continue... just cuz?"

If anyone believes that would have been the case, I've got a Jump Gate in Curse I'd like to sell you.

So - because TP did it you assumed the rest of EoN would and rage quit? Lol

FEC would of hit a point of capturing enough EoN districts that eventually EoN would of struck back now that they wouldn't be overwhelmed by timers. FEC was a losing cause if they could only win 1 out of 30 or so battles. FEC wasn't getting stronger - they were hiring AE more. Only SI showed any progress.

You guys sure know how to spin a tale. Care to join the RP section? Roll


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Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2592	Posted - 2013.09.15 20:08:00 - [1] - Quote The problem with the war was that as FEC was ramping up, EON just started locking it's districts. The more organized FEC got, and the better they performed, the less there was for them to do. Since anyone can lock themselves up and make it impossible to be attacked, it became pretty clear that as FEC got better and caused more harm, EON would simply lock up more and more districts. There was no downside for locking districts, you actually make ISK doing it. Once it was clear that there was literally no way for FEC to make any progress, the war ended. This is indicative of PC as a whole, and clearly explains why it accounts for (less than) 1% of the game's daily traffic. No one plays it because it's broken. A bunch of corps got together to verify that it's broken (ie: the FEC), and did so. Now, back to your regularly scheduled program where 1% of the population wastes their time with it. The FEC vs. EON war, and it's conclusion, is not an indictment of anyone from FEC or EON... it's an indictment of CCP and Dust 514.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2592	Posted - 2013.09.15 20:38:00 - [2] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Apparently TP = all of EON. FEC could have attacked any other corp in EON that was open. They didn't. Sorry, but TP = EON Once TP had all their own districts locked up, they had time to ring for the rest of EON. So even though the rest of you guys can argue that TP were the only one's locking their districts, and it didn't effect the rest of the war; it's just not true. Locking up almost half of your districts also has the effect of doubling your effective power on the districts that were left open. Furthermore, if the rest of EON was fine with locking up that much of their holdings, why would anyone assume that if FEC made further progress you wouldn't just start locking up more? Look at it from the perspective of the FEC; Should they simply have just believed "yes, EON has continued to lock more and more districts as FEC has continued to push harder and harder, but that trend won't continue... just cuz?" If anyone believes that would have been the case, I've got a Jump Gate in Curse I'd like to sell you.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2594	Posted - 2013.09.15 21:05:00 - [3] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Apparently TP = all of EON. FEC could have attacked any other corp in EON that was open. They didn't. Sorry, but TP = EON Once TP had all their own districts locked up, they had time to ring for the rest of EON. So even though the rest of you guys can argue that TP were the only one's locking their districts, and it didn't effect the rest of the war; it's just not true. Locking up almost half of your districts also has the effect of doubling your effective power on the districts that were left open. Furthermore, if the rest of EON was fine with locking up that much of their holdings, why would anyone assume that if FEC made further progress you wouldn't just start locking up more? Look at it from the perspective of the FEC; Should they simply have just believed "yes, EON has continued to lock more and more districts as FEC has continued to push harder and harder, but that trend won't continue... just cuz?" If anyone believes that would have been the case, I've got a Jump Gate in Curse I'd like to sell you. So - because TP did it you assumed the rest of EoN would and rage quit? Lol FEC would of hit a point of capturing enough EoN districts that eventually EoN would of struck back now that they wouldn't be overwhelmed by timers. FEC was a losing cause if they could only win 1 out of 30 or so battles. FEC wasn't getting stronger - they were hiring AE more. Only SI showed any progress. You guys sure know how to spin a tale. Care to join the RP section? So you're defense is just "plausible deniability?" Come on now, you'll have to do better than that. EON was locking districts. A LOT of districts, and as the war continued, EON continued to lock more and more districts. That's the reality. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. You can pretend like that wasn't happening, or that it was magically going to stop happening, but nothing in reality reflects such an assertion. Separating TP from EON as if TP isn't in EON is a pathetically weak argument. Of course the FEC would assume EON was going to continue the pattern they were adhering to, there was no evidence to suggest otherwise. I also really enjoyed your "FEC wasn't improving, except in the areas in which FEC was improving" real solid refutation with that one. Lastly, recognizing that there is an unavoidable game exploit that makes it impossible to win isn't exactly the same as "rage quitting lol."
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2594	Posted - 2013.09.15 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote Long Evity wrote: And FEC was using melee glitch to win PC battles. Yup - that sure shows 'improvement.' And I'm sure you know what overgeneralization means. Cool, a Non Sequitur. Good job, I guess?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2597	Posted - 2013.09.15 22:05:00 - [5] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Long Evity wrote: And FEC was using melee glitch to win PC battles. Yup - that sure shows 'improvement.' And I'm sure you know what overgeneralization means. Cool, a Non Sequitur. Good job, I guess? Want to explain? lol - oh right. You can't. FEC didn't improve - theirs no way they could of won a war with how much ISK they lost compared to gain vs how much EoN lost compared to gained. Saying "It ended because 1 corp locked up." Is the most butt hurt excuse I've heard about a war ending. And if you want to continue to say TP = EoN then AE = FEC and that makes you all melee glitchers. Isn't overgeneralization wonderful? If TP didn't represent about 1/3 of EON's total holdings then it would be an over-generalization. I'm not aware of anyone in FEC having any sort of financial difficulties at all. I can't speak for the other corps directly, but it's not like anyone in FEC was clamoring for an end to the war for financial reasons. I have no bone in this fight, aside from the fact that PC is a broken piece of ** game mode. I was only involved in one fight in the war, and I was dragged into that fight last minute with little to no interest in it's result. I don't care about the FEC vs EON drama. I don't care who's better. I don't care if Subdreddit "sucks" or the FEC "sucks" or EON "sucks" or whatever other nonsense. I personally suck. I don't care. The game isn't really good enough yet to worry about how good anyone is at playing it. Anyway... my position did, however, give me a direct line to a lot of the politicking and decision making processes that occurred within the FEC. People want to know the aftermath? They want to know FEC's internal reasoning for quitting? I'm trying to help give it. I'm not FEC. My corp was, but I'm not. I don't give a ** about FEC. I never really gave a **** about FEC besides a mild interest in the experiment of it. The reality is that the leadership of the FEC pretty clearly believed that EON was locking up more districts as the FEC grew and improved. The reality is that FEC was improving. Their communication was improving, their team play was improving, their planning was improving. It looked like slow going, but it was going none-the-less. There was forward momentum and progress that looked like it was not going to stop... until districts started locking. When people started taking a closer look at the math of district locking, when it became clear that: A. Districts can be locked indefinitely and still make a profit B. EON was in clear endorsement of their corporations locking massive amounts of districts (don't hit me with more plausible deniability again, that argument is clearly nonsense) C. More districts were being locked each day. This is when morale plummeted, as everyone realized that there was no functional way to win the war. Regardless of their efforts, it was clear that EON was both capable and willing to lock any districts they wanted indefinitely, and continue to make ISK in the process. Remember, most of these people initially had little to no interest whatsoever in PC. It was a completely dead game mode in the time leading up to the war (less than 1% of the total population was participating in it... which is the case again now that the "war" is over). Over the course of a few days the math of the exploit spread like wildfire through the in-game and IRC channels for the war. Was this the only reason why the war ended? No, I'm sure it isn't. There are always other circumstances involved with this sort of thing. Is EON better at PC than most of the corps that were in the FEC? Yeah, absolutely. That doesn't mean there wasn't improvement happening. Most of the people in FEC hadn't played more than a match or two of PC, ever. You really don't think that playing the "vets" of the game mode (ie: EON) isn't going to lead to rather rapid improvement? Come on now. Drop the silly politics and face saving nonsense for just a few minutes. FFS.