DUST Search - Some proposed new AR values... to appease the angry mob.

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Everything Dies wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Ah yes another "I am bad at first person shooters and throw a fit when I die"
Go back to your EVE hug box, do you see me crying everytime I get killed by an HMG, scrambler rifle, shotgun, smg, sniper rifle, forge gun, mass driver, get run over by an LAV, get turned into red mist by a HAV with a blaster turret spawn camping, or get a nova knife in the back?

Death is going to happen, take cover, slip around the side and shoot them in the back, realize its dangerous to go alone, or just develop some basic awareness of the battlefield if you want to die less

Actually, as someone that has been using ARs with my alt shortly prior to and after this patch...I have no problem with the suggestions made by the OP. The AR is simply too effective at dealing DPS when compared to other weapons, which results in battles becoming more predictable and less enjoyable. Good grief...just think of what would have happened if the armor "boost" hadn't been released at the same time!

Then buff the other weapons rather than nerfing the rifle
To many people got complacent with being able to walk away after spending a relatively long time under fire due to how shoddy hit detection was which really made engagements into drawn out bunny hopping competitions while now we have something faster paced and has a feeling of actual danger, which in a game about eternal war is something I think most people want

The problem is that if anything gets buffed,people will whine, and it will get nerfed back again.

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mikegunnz The Solecism of Limitation 641	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:52:00 - [1] - Quote After making this post I figured I throw some numbers out there for discussion. Realistic numbers, that nerf where it's needed while keeping the AR competitive while at mid-range. Please refer to the above link if you're wondering as to how I came to the conclusion to use ROF as the main (but not only) variable to adjust damage stats. AR Type -------CURRENT STATS----------------------------------------------PROPOSED STATS Militia---- 750RPM, 31 dmg, 387.5dps---------------------------------700RPM, 30 dmg, 350dps (aprox. a 10% DPS reduction) Std------- 750RPM, 31 dmg, 387.5dps---------------------------------700RPM, 30 dmg, 350dps (aprox. a 10% DPS reduction) Gek38--- 750RPM, 32.5dmg, 406.25dps-----------------------------700RPM, 33 dmg, 385dps (aprox. a 5% DPS reduction) Duvolle-- 750RPM, 34.1dmg, 426.25dps------------------------------700RPM, 35 dmg, 408.3dps (aprox. a 5% DPS reduction) I didn't adress other stats like range, ammo capacity, etc or other variants like the breach, burst, etc. (because I feel all other stats and variants are fine) I left the two higher tiers with a little more damage, because they are higher tier weapons. They should still be able to pack a punch. However, I recognize that the militia and std probably should be a little weaker. (which is why I gave them a 10% reduction) Thoughts?
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 408	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:56:00 - [2] - Quote Damage was never the issue. Its range needs toned down, and its kick/dispersion needs increased. Then it will be fine
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1912	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:59:00 - [3] - Quote Ah yes another "I am bad at first person shooters and throw a fit when I die" Go back to your EVE hug box, do you see me crying everytime I get killed by an HMG, scrambler rifle, shotgun, smg, sniper rifle, forge gun, mass driver, get run over by an LAV, get turned into red mist by a HAV with a blaster turret spawn camping, or get a nova knife in the back? Death is going to happen, take cover, slip around the side and shoot them in the back, realize its dangerous to go alone, or just develop some basic awareness of the battlefield if you want to die less
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3385	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:05:00 - [4] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Ah yes another "I am bad at first person shooters and throw a fit when I die" Go back to your EVE hug box You do realize that the people playing the Eve hug box are constantly transfusing blood into this hemorrhaging game, right? Be nice. Aside from that, I agree with your post.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1912	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:12:00 - [5] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Ah yes another "I am bad at first person shooters and throw a fit when I die" Go back to your EVE hug box You do realize that the people playing the Eve hug box are constantly transfusing blood into this hemorrhaging game, right? Be nice. Aside from that, I agree with your post. I do but I also dont think its good for the games health to cater to them just because they throw ridiculous amounts of money at the game And since I know its coming from someone not necessarily you, yes I have spent money on this game and bought some boosters but Im not going to throw thousands at it like some people
mikegunnz The Solecism of Limitation 641	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:17:00 - [6] - Quote @P14GU3: I would agree with you, except when most of the other weapons dont have any real recoil, giving it to just this one type will not help. It works in games like BF3, because EVERY gun has some amount of recoil. In Dust, many have none (or almost none) @Delta: Not sure who your post is to.... I assume not me. Because I am primarily an AR user. I'm not complaining about being killed by them. I am actually saying I have a pretty easy time with them. They need to be adjust for SEVERAL reasons. Many of the balancing reasons are not just against other classes of weapons, but also against other variants of ARs. You must not have read my linked post.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:18:00 - [7] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Ah yes another "I am bad at first person shooters and throw a fit when I die" Go back to your EVE hug box, do you see me crying everytime I get killed by an HMG, scrambler rifle, shotgun, smg, sniper rifle, forge gun, mass driver, get run over by an LAV, get turned into red mist by a HAV with a blaster turret spawn camping, or get a nova knife in the back? Death is going to happen, take cover, slip around the side and shoot them in the back, realize its dangerous to go alone, or just develop some basic awareness of the battlefield if you want to die less Actually, as someone that has been using ARs with my alt shortly prior to and after this patch...I have no problem with the suggestions made by the OP. The AR is simply too effective at dealing DPS when compared to other weapons, which results in battles becoming more predictable and less enjoyable. Good grief...just think of what would have happened if the armor "boost" hadn't been released at the same time!
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 409	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:23:00 - [8] - Quote Agree OP. I didn't say other weapons didn't need tweaks, just my proposed AR tweaks
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1912	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:28:00 - [9] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Ah yes another "I am bad at first person shooters and throw a fit when I die" Go back to your EVE hug box, do you see me crying everytime I get killed by an HMG, scrambler rifle, shotgun, smg, sniper rifle, forge gun, mass driver, get run over by an LAV, get turned into red mist by a HAV with a blaster turret spawn camping, or get a nova knife in the back? Death is going to happen, take cover, slip around the side and shoot them in the back, realize its dangerous to go alone, or just develop some basic awareness of the battlefield if you want to die less Actually, as someone that has been using ARs with my alt shortly prior to and after this patch...I have no problem with the suggestions made by the OP. The AR is simply too effective at dealing DPS when compared to other weapons, which results in battles becoming more predictable and less enjoyable. Good grief...just think of what would have happened if the armor "boost" hadn't been released at the same time! Then buff the other weapons rather than nerfing the rifle To many people got complacent with being able to walk away after spending a relatively long time under fire due to how shoddy hit detection was which really made engagements into drawn out bunny hopping competitions while now we have something faster paced and has a feeling of actual danger, which in a game about eternal war is something I think most people want
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1052	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:31:00 - [10] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Everything Dies wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Ah yes another "I am bad at first person shooters and throw a fit when I die" Go back to your EVE hug box, do you see me crying everytime I get killed by an HMG, scrambler rifle, shotgun, smg, sniper rifle, forge gun, mass driver, get run over by an LAV, get turned into red mist by a HAV with a blaster turret spawn camping, or get a nova knife in the back? Death is going to happen, take cover, slip around the side and shoot them in the back, realize its dangerous to go alone, or just develop some basic awareness of the battlefield if you want to die less Actually, as someone that has been using ARs with my alt shortly prior to and after this patch...I have no problem with the suggestions made by the OP. The AR is simply too effective at dealing DPS when compared to other weapons, which results in battles becoming more predictable and less enjoyable. Good grief...just think of what would have happened if the armor "boost" hadn't been released at the same time! Then buff the other weapons rather than nerfing the rifle To many people got complacent with being able to walk away after spending a relatively long time under fire due to how shoddy hit detection was which really made engagements into drawn out bunny hopping competitions while now we have something faster paced and has a feeling of actual danger, which in a game about eternal war is something I think most people want The problem is that if anything gets buffed,people will whine, and it will get nerfed back again.

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1912	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:35:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Everything Dies wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Ah yes another "I am bad at first person shooters and throw a fit when I die" Go back to your EVE hug box, do you see me crying everytime I get killed by an HMG, scrambler rifle, shotgun, smg, sniper rifle, forge gun, mass driver, get run over by an LAV, get turned into red mist by a HAV with a blaster turret spawn camping, or get a nova knife in the back? Death is going to happen, take cover, slip around the side and shoot them in the back, realize its dangerous to go alone, or just develop some basic awareness of the battlefield if you want to die less Actually, as someone that has been using ARs with my alt shortly prior to and after this patch...I have no problem with the suggestions made by the OP. The AR is simply too effective at dealing DPS when compared to other weapons, which results in battles becoming more predictable and less enjoyable. Good grief...just think of what would have happened if the armor "boost" hadn't been released at the same time! Then buff the other weapons rather than nerfing the rifle To many people got complacent with being able to walk away after spending a relatively long time under fire due to how shoddy hit detection was which really made engagements into drawn out bunny hopping competitions while now we have something faster paced and has a feeling of actual danger, which in a game about eternal war is something I think most people want The problem is that if anything gets buffed,people will whine, and it will get nerfed back again. Then maybe they would be more at home playing Hello Kittys Island Adventure


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