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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:02:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:seriously ppl now your trying to get it nerfed?
bunch of wankers if your going to cry so much quit playing dust and go join a call of duty clan or something like that. your getting mad because you die simple and plain. not because its op. get good shut up and either play the game or get off.
nuff said.
Im so sorry, I never realised a weapon that dealth 1400 dmg in 4 secs over 30m with minimal falloff damage, unbelievable accuracy and absolutely no kick for 1.2 secs of firing wasn't op!!
Dude its not just ar people have beef with, but its pretty damn powerful, what happened to "jack of all trades" ?? |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
419
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:06:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:They've been trying to get it nerfed for ages. I am starting to hate it though. Not really much incentive to use tacs or breaches.
When the official racial variants come out the game will benefit from it.
If its implemented correctly, we need to make sure not introduce another 2 op weapons!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
419
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:08:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:seriously ppl now your trying to get it nerfed?
bunch of wankers if your going to cry so much quit playing dust and go join a call of duty clan or something like that. your getting mad because you die simple and plain. not because its op. get good shut up and either play the game or get off.
nuff said. Im so sorry, I never realised a weapon that dealth 1400 dmg in 4 secs over 30m with minimal falloff damage, unbelievable accuracy and absolutely no kick for 1.2 secs of firing wasn't op!! Dude its not just ar people have beef with, but its pretty damn powerful, what happened to "jack of all trades" ?? quit the qq... not op
I will quit the "qq" when you can prove with maths, that it isn't op
Show me the numbers, numbers don't lie my friend, numbers don't lie!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
421
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:21:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:seriously ppl now your trying to get it nerfed?
bunch of wankers if your going to cry so much quit playing dust and go join a call of duty clan or something like that. your getting mad because you die simple and plain. not because its op. get good shut up and either play the game or get off.
nuff said. Im so sorry, I never realised a weapon that dealth 1400 dmg in 4 secs over 30m with minimal falloff damage, unbelievable accuracy and absolutely no kick for 1.2 secs of firing wasn't op!! Dude its not just ar people have beef with, but its pretty damn powerful, what happened to "jack of all trades" ?? quit the qq... not op I will quit the "qq" when you can prove with maths, that it isn't op Show me the numbers, numbers don't lie my friend, numbers don't lie!! meeeehhhhhh numbers are just as screwed up as the leaderboards. your not proving anything by bringing this up. your just mad that you cannot be as good as a killer as the rest simple and plain.
Hmm, ok since you are refusing to bring up the numbers, I suppose I'll have to do it for you, I gave you an oppurtunity to defend your weapon, you denied!!
First off the damage per shot is 30.8
You get through 12 rounds a second (rounded down, giving the weapon every oppurtunity here)
You get 48 rounds per magazine
This equates to 369.6 damage a second, this is without any damage mods or skill points.
Shall I continue??
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
421
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:28:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Its not so much the AR needs nerfed its the fact that everyone woke up the morning of 1.4 and the infamous aim assist and they are now surgical with it..
So maybe just maybe the aim assist needs nerfed....
It also helps that hit detection for the ar is fixed, all shots register not just a 1/3 makes you think though, no-one had a problem in 1.3 when it was effectively weaker!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
422
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:38:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:ty bosh your my hero.
and since the other guy posted numbers i will post some up too..
you ready?
99% of what your saying is QQ
the other 1% is lol get good and stop the ar qq threads buncha wankers.
I will take that as my que to continue kicking your can with mathematics and logic!!
So if the ar isn't op, can you provide logical arguments to support this? Or does your entire argument hinge on the fact that anyone who has beef with this weapon a cry baby??
So as previously stated you 369.6 dps with out any skills or damage mods, now this already out dps's the mass driver by a magnitude of 3, well 3.4 to be exact, and it has one of the highest damage per mag values of any weapon at 1,476, it even does more damage than I sniper rifle, would you like me to keep going? |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
422
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:44:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:
little girls will qq this is the nature in these type of gamers who dont get what they want. they cry and qq till it serves their purpose. after all you will still be trash so why bother edging the game for these ppl to try and get better when all they are going to do is cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry
You're QQing right now. not really. just stating my opinion. qq'ing would be me crying about the assault rifles being op because i cant kill worth sh!% lol its funny tho you would think the aim assist woulda help these guys but then again you cant make anyone happy ccp Well... You are. You're throwing a hissy fit and bad mouthing anyone who is against the AR, WITHOUT providing any proof or evidence to back up your statement. At least those who argue against AR have numbers to back up their statement. CCP haven't even mentioned a change to the AR and you're already making a post calling everyone QQers and 'little girls'. Come back with a proper argument. defending with numbers isnt quite accurate. and also your crying about a nerf to a gun that hasnt changed since day one. so proof or no proof it just shows how much aim assist couldnt help you either. get good nubblet or get out. this game is a mans game. so i will repeat numbers just for you..ready? about 99% of your defence is QQ to nerf because you cant keep up or maybe your kd is just horrible and are getting mad that you have to rage quit till you get into a server that is either already redlined or a bunch of nobodies who cant play fresh of the acadamy boat to be any good. and the 1% is how much i care about your invalid responce lmao hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah QQ much sir?
Yes Kiiran that is the entire base of his argument!!
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
422
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:06:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:ty bosh your my hero.
and since the other guy posted numbers i will post some up too..
you ready?
99% of what your saying is QQ
the other 1% is lol get good and stop the ar qq threads buncha wankers. I will take that as my que to continue kicking your can with mathematics and logic!! So if the ar isn't op, can you provide logical arguments to support this? Or does your entire argument hinge on the fact that anyone who has beef with this weapon a cry baby?? So as previously stated you 369.6 dps with out any skills or damage mods, now this already out dps's the mass driver by a magnitude of 3, well 3.4 to be exact, and it has one of the highest damage per mag values of any weapon at 1,476, it even does more damage than I sniper rifle, would you like me to keep going? id love to care but my qq meter is broke BUMP.
Another yes then, fantastic, now we get to move onto the prototype, so a proto hits at 38 damage a shot, same ROF, but now has a 60 round magazine, infact the all do after the mlt.
So a proto ar hits for 456 dps, which actually more than a single shotgun shell at 0m with no stray pellets, its nearly half the dps of the hmg, and is more powerful than an adv sniper!!
As for its range of 70m effective, this means at 50m, it can still hit at 270 dps.
Now the maths I used has made the assumption of 100% accuracy, which is not true, however with aim assist, longe range effectiveness, hit detection fixes and lack of any spread, the ar rifle hits with too much power too consistently.
When considering changes to the ar, it may be possible to do so without changing the damage. This can be acheived by
125% increase to hipfire spread, and ads spread by 50% with 0 skill invested
lower optimal range to 20-25, effective could potentially remain at 70m
increase kick from prolonged firing, requires uset to physically stop firing to reset
introduce wider spread while moving by an extra 30-40%
You see the only time the arnis "OP" is when its shots hit so consitently, it needs to reward skill with the weapon, managing movement, kick etc to guve the best results, it should be powerful enough to hit hard and demoralise your enemy, ttk needs to be around 3.5-4 sec mark for mediym suits,not less than 2secs |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
422
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:26:00 -
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Complains at people who say ar has too much power
says that the only reason people complain is because they are bitter about dying and have no skill
Complains about Mass Drivers
Im pretty sure thats contradictory, now watch as the amazing ANON Illuminati tells me how noobish the Mass Driver is because it has splash, doesn't give maths or logical argument!!
A thank you!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
423
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:35:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Complains at people who say ar has too much power
says that the only reason people complain is because they are bitter about dying and have no skill
Complains about Mass Drivers
Im pretty sure thats contradictory, now watch as the amazing ANON Illuminati tells me how noobish the Mass Driver is because it has splash, doesn't give maths or logical argument!!
A thank you!! never cared much for mass driver. nor did i complain. but let me ask you this why is it that you can bring math into this argument but cant comprehend a simple debate? re read the topic and where i complained about mass driver then come back with a solid point until then continue to count you will be a great math teacher one day till then NO FACEPALMand KICK ROCKS.
You haven't given argument here all I see is your whining that the numbers don't agree with your opinion, I've had enough, its like trying to play chess with a pigeon.
No matter what you, the tactics you use, the moves you make, all the pigeon is gonna do is #@$& on the board, knock over a few peices, and strut around like it owns the place!! |
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
425
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:56:00 -
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DNAcompound wrote:I feel my brain cells decrease every time I go on this forum for some reason. Everyone complaining needs to calm down about "OP" this "Nerf" that. I'm personally not on any side of this mini world war but math doesn't calculate a players skill. A new player is not going to kill a heavy in 3 seconds with a militia assault rifle. But if you want to "Nerf" it logically remove sharpshooter, no other gun has it besides (smg).
Also from what I heard 1.5 is going to Nerf the blasters (as it should be called) range to make it more close quarters oriented anyways.
Nice one, the sharpshooter is kinda a problem, however I was looking at doing it without removing skills or damage!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
425
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:57:00 -
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Smots Ju-Kyu wrote:Anyone that uses pure DPS as their only example to show whether something is OP or UP are just grasping at straws. For any weapon to hit their pure DPS potential every round needs to hit their target. It would be safe to say that 90% of the time this does not happen. If I run across a player that can land every shot that is fired on me then I deserve to die no matter what the weapon is.
Please note the section where I explained this!! Have a nice day!! |
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