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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:56:00 -
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Can we change the commando suit from Heavy class to Scout class?
We have the Black eagle suit that is really what commando suit would be, no need to do hard tuning.
A commando on a heavy frame was dead meat in 1.3, right now it's serve only the AV/Ar role in theory, but the Av/SMG on a fast and with more regen suit works better.
And this is in pub matches, imagine in PC......
And for balance what we heavy lose give the Amarr Sentinel the AWESOME GOLD/RED TINT, cause we are the Empress Heavy sword, We need to shine in gold!!!
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:29:00 -
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uppete |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1020
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:39:00 -
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The Black eagle Made me think the commando suit WAS going to be a light suit.
Low Slot count.
VEry good profile dampening off the bat.
Dual Light weapons.
Guess CCP proved me wrong.... |
castba
Penguin's March
118
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Posted - 2013.09.12 04:05:00 -
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Agree with all of it including the pallet change for the Sentinel, but especially the pallet change for the sentinel. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.09.12 07:25:00 -
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we heavy dont get a lot, and the commando suit was disappointing. Let give the Red/Gold paint to the sentinel and add the suit on the scout tree so we can see more variety |
Faquira Bleuetta
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.12 09:11:00 -
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it should be assault |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.09.12 09:30:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:The Black eagle Made me think the commando suit WAS going to be a light suit.
Low Slot count.
VEry good profile dampening off the bat.
Dual Light weapons.
Guess CCP proved me wrong....
It should've totally been a scout suit. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:21:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:it should be assault
OMG no, scout is what the Commando word really mean |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
640
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:00:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:it should be assault
Of course, some random scrub would say that he wants the commando to be a medium frame  |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1200
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:03:00 -
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Commando scout sounds beast a mass driver and a combat rifle (SOONtm) sounds orgasmic. |
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:57:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Commando scout sounds beast a mass driver and a combat rifle (SOONtm) sounds orgasmic.
And i think Scout class can make a useful thing of his INSANE melee dmg. be a heavy with that dmg and cant possibly use that dmg....
But i still want the red/gold tint for the Amarr Heavy |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
113
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Posted - 2013.09.13 08:16:00 -
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Can we petition for this to happen please, I want a commando light frame |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5922
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Posted - 2013.09.13 08:32:00 -
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I hate when people say scout/assault when they mean light/medium.
I don't like this idea because the light frames are going to get a pilot specialization soon so lights would have 3 specializations if commando gets moved to lights (scout, commando, and pilot), while heavies would be left with just sentinels. |
General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
Dark Taboo
18
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Posted - 2013.09.13 10:01:00 -
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I don't know about it being a scout suit. But, giving the commando suits perhaps a scan resistance like the Gallentean scout would made the suit more practical. I am a commando suit user, but that's because I can use at least one variant of every kind of suit aside from logistics. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
532
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Posted - 2013.09.13 10:15:00 -
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sounds good but should be seperate suit, commando light suit.
imho scout should get an additional equipment slot to buff his noncombat role. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
633
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Posted - 2013.09.13 11:11:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I hate when people say scout/assault when they mean light/medium.
I don't like this idea because the light frames are going to get a pilot specialization soon so lights would have 3 specializations if commando gets moved to lights (scout, commando, and pilot), while heavies would be left with just sentinels.
What's the problem, swap, commando become light frame, pilot become heavy frame.
It has sense, pilots don't need to move, obviously the two dropsuits must be re worked to be balanced, right now the heavy commando is almost totally worthless, people use it as favorite in the pre game lobby only because it has an awsome skin. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
1300
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Posted - 2013.09.13 11:13:00 -
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Maybe add a Commando variant for every suit type. Light suits two sidearms PLUS a light weapon, medium suits get two light weapons, heavy suits get a light weapon AND a heavy weapon.
That's right. Forge gun and swarm launcher combination. Probably will mean there is no more fitting space for anything else, though.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
633
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Posted - 2013.09.13 11:22:00 -
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I would like to have a sidearm specialist class.
I'm playing with an alt with 2 TT scambler pistols and it's really satisfying  |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
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Posted - 2013.09.13 11:24:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I hate when people say scout/assault when they mean light/medium.
I don't like this idea because the light frames are going to get a pilot specialization soon so lights would have 3 specializations if commando gets moved to lights (scout, commando, and pilot), while heavies would be left with just sentinels.
A Useless suit is not what heavy want. We want heavy weapon and racial suit to try find our playstile.
The thinking : "Look heavy have the commando!!!!!11!!!!!ONE!!! " just to give "something" to heavy is really really BAD
We want more Heavy things and, personally, i want more variety on the battlefield.
belive me, i've tried all to make the Commando suit work. in 1,3 i could make a useful squad suit.
But that was a "bad hit-detect" dream, 1,4 with the now working hit-detect has wake me from my dreams and make clear that the commando, with his huge hitbox, is not viable not only in PC but even in pubs
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
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Posted - 2013.09.13 11:26:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Maybe add a Commando variant for every suit type. Light suits two sidearms PLUS a light weapon, medium suits get two light weapons, heavy suits get a light weapon AND a heavy weapon.
That's right. Forge gun and swarm launcher combination. Probably will mean there is no more fitting space for anything else, though.
OMG no, that would really be TOO OP for Driverz and Pilot. Imagine swarm flying and suddenly be hit by forge.
Simply No.
The Commando suit is well thought and well balanced, It's only in the wrong dropsuit tree. |
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:30:00 -
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We pray the Amarr God of weapon crafting: CCP Wolfman for answer |
DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
185
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:56:00 -
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I agree, Kommando should be a light frame, it is completely useless as a heavy frame.
I will sign your petition sir!  |
621311251521 3316
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:49:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:I agree, Kommando should be a light frame, it is completely useless as a heavy frame. I will sign your petition sir!
u think having 300 , 400 hp make the commando useful ? |
Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Public Disorder.
449
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:52:00 -
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Agreed but with a penalty to speed/movement |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1492
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:46:00 -
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The commando suit needs an extra low slot at all levels and 50% more cpu/pg. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5929
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:05:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I hate when people say scout/assault when they mean light/medium.
I don't like this idea because the light frames are going to get a pilot specialization soon so lights would have 3 specializations if commando gets moved to lights (scout, commando, and pilot), while heavies would be left with just sentinels. What's the problem, swap, commando become light frame, pilot become heavy frame. It has sense, pilots don't need to move, obviously the two dropsuits must be re worked to be balanced, right now the heavy commando is almost totally worthless, people use it as favorite in the pre game lobby only because it has an awsome skin.
Any problems with the commando can be solved by rebalancing, nothing suggests that something as radical ans changing the frame size would be needed to fix it. It is much easier to rebalance 1 suit then it is to change the frame size of 2 suits, and rebalance both suits.
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:53:00 -
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Why change 2 suit? Only the commando should change tree.
Kage how can you re-balance a suit that could potentialy be Op? More slot and More CPU/PG?? Fine but with all hit finally connecting what is the right value? Too much HP could make potentially an OP suit. and same goes for slot pg/cpu.
I personally think that the commnando is a well thinked class with the stat he has right now, if you take in account what the Commando have but cannot use:
2 weapon but you need to choose between proto Weap or proto module. Sounds right
1 No granade slot: sound fair with the 2 weap.
1 equip. Sound right.
250 base MELEE DMG fantastic for covert op, but how you use this with your slow, high scan suit?
Have a lot of base hp but with HUGE hitbox.
It make senso to me to trade HP for speed and low profile. Leave all the others the same as it's now.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
638
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Posted - 2013.09.15 10:17:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Any problems with the commando can be solved by rebalancing, nothing suggests that something as radical ans changing the frame size would be needed to fix it. It is much easier to rebalance 1 suit then it is to change the frame size of 2 suits, and rebalance both suits.
Pilot suit are not out yet, but they can be everything imo, you will not use them on the battlefield to do the infantry job, so what is the problem to change the commando to light frame and pilot to heavy frame?
They will balance commando with infantry parameters and pilot with vehicle parameters. |
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