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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:05:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:PFC was to give corps a chance at training and to get used to PC before getting thrown out into it. TP's actions against IO is cause for concern about the stability of PFC. If personal grudges can be taken this far by them then all corps are equally in the same boat. Keep nice with cubs or they'll lock your PFC district with 'fights' you can't win.
I remember when the idea of PFC was being thrown out there on the forums. Wasn't the original idea of PFC was to be able for corps to have battles without fear of losing districts. Not necessarily for corps to be introduced into pc. I believe the thought was for vet corps to fight it out. I remember there was a sign up thread and everything.
It's intent was to replace the corp contracts of chromosome. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:45:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Long Evity wrote:PFC was to give corps a chance at training and to get used to PC before getting thrown out into it. TP's actions against IO is cause for concern about the stability of PFC. If personal grudges can be taken this far by them then all corps are equally in the same boat. Keep nice with cubs or they'll lock your PFC district with 'fights' you can't win. I remember when the idea of PFC was being thrown out there on the forums. Wasn't the original idea of PFC was to be able for corps to have battles without fear of losing districts. Not necessarily for corps to be introduced into pc. I believe the thought was for vet corps to fight it out. I remember there was a sign up thread and everything. It's intent was to replace the corp contracts of chromosome. Edit: only way to prepare for PC is to actually get into it. A lot of people are abusing systems set up by Eon, that were initiated to increase activity in pc for all corps. PFC makes no sense to me at this point. EoN is just throwing corps in there who they feel "deserve" to be apart of PFC. the original intent as ydubbs said were to replace corporate contracts in the game and have great fights all around the board without having to care about the district win or lose. now it's just a bunch of wooses who just farm isk. and on top of all that you have teamplayers who enforce those districts so everyone lives "in fear" of being a badass. how about someone just sack up and if you feel like you deserve a PFC district, take it. PFC should be a competition, not a circle jerk.
The community should enforce the pfc rule and just so happens that TP has the ability to do so and they do. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1935
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:27:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Excuse me, but I was here when PFC was first an idea presented by Free Beers and sold to Mavado and Sha. The idea was to get 'good fights' indeed, but it was also to help out corps get PC experience. It was also suppose to have verbal agreement between corps before fights. If a corp didn't have weekly fights - it was to be removed by SI/Imps, which is now TP.
TP took over PFC and I consider it being a corrupted processes. They have the spirit of the idea down, but not the intention. It's obvious to anyone the recent move on IO was a personal one, other PFC districts were open and it's obvious IO doesn't have the talent to hold there own to any EoN corp.
So long as PFC can't decide between being indie friendly or not I do not support it in it's current state. And yes, IO Is an indie corp since they lost all there members, money, alliance position, and power.
Even if you feel that attacking IO is a personal move, they aren't breaking the rules by taking the district.
PC should be about settling disagreements and grudges. Someone shouldn't be able to pop trash and then not expect to get hit cause they're on Altbrard or Oddledulf. And I'm not saying that Nikia popped trash or anything because I dont know the guy. But I see corps abusing these systems (for new corps) and then go to the community when they're attacked. Again...this was a general statement and not one directed @ IO |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1936
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:55:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Long Evity wrote:Excuse me, but I was here when PFC was first an idea presented by Free Beers and sold to Mavado and Sha. The idea was to get 'good fights' indeed, but it was also to help out corps get PC experience. It was also suppose to have verbal agreement between corps before fights. If a corp didn't have weekly fights - it was to be removed by SI/Imps, which is now TP.
TP took over PFC and I consider it being a corrupted processes. They have the spirit of the idea down, but not the intention. It's obvious to anyone the recent move on IO was a personal one, other PFC districts were open and it's obvious IO doesn't have the talent to hold there own to any EoN corp.
So long as PFC can't decide between being indie friendly or not I do not support it in it's current state. And yes, IO Is an indie corp since they lost all there members, money, alliance position, and power. Even if you feel that attacking IO is a personal move, they aren't breaking the rules by taking the district. PC should be about settling disagreements and grudges. Someone shouldn't be able to pop trash and then not expect to get hit cause they're on Altbrard or Oddledulf. And I'm not saying that Nikia popped trash or anything because I dont know the guy. But I see corps abusing these systems (for new corps) and then go to the community when they're attacked. Again...this was a general statement and not one directed @ IO Rules set by TP themselves, I might add. And I would agree that PFC could be used to settle grudges - but aren't all battles in PC centered around that? The CRONOS war was about beating down chest beaters who bragged about land-grabs they didn't earn. Imps burning STB was basically the same thing. My argument would be a clearer intention of PFC. Is it for corps to settle issues and have good fights? If so Indie corps have no place there since they can't keep up, and therefor would have few grudges they could possibly settle. Or is PFC a place to train indie corps who have the manpower and ISK but not the skill?
If it were me, a smaller planet like Altbrard would be the place for new corps to train. You wouldn't lose your district but you would only be there temporarily...no longer than two weeks. This way, new corps aren't manipulating the system just to farm ISK.
And sure....any pc battle can be used to settle grudges and PFC shouldn't be any different, especially if that is your only district. I would use Oddeldulf as the hands off planet for low tier corps but with risk of losing their districts.
RND was on Oddeldulf as well but we realized that we can attack any district, we don't have to be on Oddeldulf to do so. We can launch single attacks or set up "friendly" battles with any corp if we so choose. PFC was an awesome idea and I signed up when the thread was introduced. But some of the indie/new corps have abused the system and, thus, ruined the point of it.
Edit: and I don't mind corps farming ISK (cause that is part of the point of owning districts) but they should do it with the risk of losing the district. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1936
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Posted - 2013.09.12 05:05:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Long Evity wrote:[quote=Ydubbs81 RND][quote=Long Evity] My argument would be a clearer intention of PFC. Is it for corps to settle issues and have good fights? If so Indie corps have no place there since they can't keep up, and therefor would have few grudges they could possibly settle. Or is PFC a place to train indie corps who have the manpower and ISK but not the skill? Personally, the latter, there's plenty of space for grudges, because there isn't really a place for them to do so otherwise due to the lack of corp battles.
If I were a new corp wishing to participate in PC, I would just launch an attack against a corp that I feel I have a chance at beating. TP has been offering to sell districts as well....so my advice to a new corp would be to either launch a few clone packs. Or, purchase a district and then expand by attacking corps that you have a chance of beating. All of that is good training.
Although we had corp contracts prior to pc, they were 8v8 battles. Only a few corps had experience with 16v16 and they were the ones who participated in the closed beta. But most of us had to do it the old-fashioned way. You lose some, you win some, you get smashed on others. We didn't have PFC or anything like that......so these new corps, low sp corps, or low tiered corps don't really need PFC. They just need to get out there and grind and |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1937
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Posted - 2013.09.12 05:17:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Another reason to bring back Corp Battles
Corp contracts should definitely come back....don't think anyone would argue that point. |
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