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TunRa
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:31:00 -
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Can the LR just get .2 more damage per level? I mean I understand that leveling up gives you less build up but when it comes to another LR user it doesn't. I think a small increase in DPS that the LR will continued to be balanced while at the same time making it so a regualr LR, wich has the same range and stats besides heat build up as every other laser, can't beat my Viziam. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:31:00 -
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TunRa wrote:Can the lasor just get .2 more damage per level? I mean I understand that leveling up gives you less build up but when it comes to another LR user it doesn't. I think a small increase in DPS that the LR will continued to be balanced while at the same time making it so a regualr LR, wich has the same range and stats besides heat build up as every other laser, can't beat my Viziam.
No, we dont want Chromosome LR back. |
PEW JACKSON
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:37:00 -
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If CCP decided to give the LR different optimal ranges for tiers, then maybe I'd use a Viziam over my STD LR. |
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:41:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:If CCP decided to give the LR different optimal ranges for tiers, then maybe I'd use a Viziam over my STD LR.
Agreed. As soon as i get my Proto Laser , i will just get prof and stick with the ELM.
An Optimal range increase WOULD be a big difference without breaking the laser. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:44:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:TunRa wrote:Can the lasor just get .2 more damage per level? I mean I understand that leveling up gives you less build up but when it comes to another LR user it doesn't. I think a small increase in DPS that the LR will continued to be balanced while at the same time making it so a regualr LR, wich has the same range and stats besides heat build up as every other laser, can't beat my Viziam. No, we dont want Chromosome LR back. He isn't asking to make then 5 points higher than the standard ones like the Viziams in chromosome, he's asking for small less than 1 decimal increments. To say it would be like Viziams is very unfair. |
Mortedeamor
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:49:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:TunRa wrote:Can the lasor just get .2 more damage per level? I mean I understand that leveling up gives you less build up but when it comes to another LR user it doesn't. I think a small increase in DPS that the LR will continued to be balanced while at the same time making it so a regualr LR, wich has the same range and stats besides heat build up as every other laser, can't beat my Viziam. No, we dont want Chromosome LR back. it was the range + dmg that made it so bad in chromosome 17 dmg is more than enough for laser rifle ccp needs to do is adjust the lower lvl lasers to do less dmg. range or dmg one or the other should have been nerfed on LR not BOTH CCP
also if you would like to improve the laser rifle op up your amarian assault skills and use that for your laser rifle..i agree with the dmg between tiers being changed so lower tiers have less dmg than the viziam |
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Posted - 2013.09.11 02:18:00 -
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I prefer Range over damage. |
Grimmiers
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Posted - 2013.09.11 02:22:00 -
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The optimal range for close quarters makes them useless. I think it's a bit harsh to go well below 50% damage as it is the amarrian assault rifle after all. |
KrazyEyeKilla
The Phalanx Inc
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:03:00 -
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Gun feels nicely balanced to me at the moment. I used to think that an increase in dmg was needed from the ELM to the Viziam but that would just take it back to the chromosome days and be nerfed into the ground again.
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:06:00 -
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Interesting thought:
What if higher tiers of lasers had a significantly smaller minimum range? |
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:17:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Interesting thought:
What if higher tiers of lasers had a significantly smaller minimum range?
Hmm well thought. This plus a Sniper SKill addition that increases range by 5% per level would buff the laser rifle enough to make it good,but not OP.IMO that is. +1 to D.Bored. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I prefer Range over damage.
+1
Both max and min or nerf ARs range |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:17:00 -
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Grimmiers wrote:The optimal range for close quarters makes them useless. I think it's a bit harsh to go well below 50% damage as it is the amarrian assault rifle after all.
Wrong, that's the Assault Scrambler Rifle. The Laser Rifle is more of a special weapon, like the Mass Driver. |
PEW JACKSON
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:33:00 -
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Grimmiers wrote:The optimal range for close quarters makes them useless. I think it's a bit harsh to go well below 50% damage as it is the amarrian assault rifle after all.
For the damage it does in it's optimal, I'd be okay if the LR only did 25% dmg at 0-40m. It's supposed to be a mid to long range weapon sad that we only have the mid range. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:45:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Grimmiers wrote:The optimal range for close quarters makes them useless. I think it's a bit harsh to go well below 50% damage as it is the amarrian assault rifle after all. Wrong, that's the Assault Scrambler Rifle. The Laser Rifle is more of a special weapon, like the Mass Driver.
I hate to admit it, but the minmatar has a point.... |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:52:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:TunRa wrote:Can the lasor just get .2 more damage per level? I mean I understand that leveling up gives you less build up but when it comes to another LR user it doesn't. I think a small increase in DPS that the LR will continued to be balanced while at the same time making it so a regualr LR, wich has the same range and stats besides heat build up as every other laser, can't beat my Viziam. No, we dont want Chromosome LR back.
I do. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:54:00 -
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Its not needed. The laser rifle in chromosome was broken. It was EZ mode specially considering how broken damage mods were. Lasers are good now,for everyone with the skill/interest to use them.
If you revert them back to chromosome, many scrubs will drop their ARs and start using Lasers. Then we will have all the classic Dust QQ threads. Then CCP will take out the Nerf Hammer.
And we will be AGAIN,without lasers. So no , we dont want the chromosome laser again. |
Grimmiers
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:40:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Grimmiers wrote:The optimal range for close quarters makes them useless. I think it's a bit harsh to go well below 50% damage as it is the amarrian assault rifle after all. Wrong, that's the Assault Scrambler Rifle. The Laser Rifle is more of a special weapon, like the Mass Driver.
Oh yeah forgot about that thing. |
TunRa
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:13:00 -
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This isn't about buffing them to make them better against everyone. I'm talking buffing them to make LR v LR better. Right now it is up to whoever saw the other guy first is the one who wins the firefight. Not who has the most SP invested into the gun itself. yes we have damage pro and mods but still a small increase in the LR will even out the battles. Hell it deosn't have to be .2 points it can be .1 or even .06! |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:28:00 -
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TunRa wrote:Can the LR just get .2 more damage per level? I mean I understand that leveling up gives you less build up but when it comes to another LR user it doesn't matter. I think a small increase in DPS that the LR will continued to be balanced while at the same time making it so a regualr LR, wich has the same range and stats besides heat build up as every other laser, can't beat my Viziam.
You don't understand how the thing even works do you...
For increasing damage you have to level up proficiency. The operation skill decreases cooldown time, not heat build up. So if the laser goes to overheat, it'll spend less time in the overheat animation. Sure it's an useless skill but w/e. Many other weapons have useless operation skills, like the Assault Scrambler Rifle.
If you want more damage from the laser, you'll have to invest in the Amarr Assault skill, which reduces heat build up. This makes the laser overheat at 20-25 ammo (I don't really know since I don't have the proto suit), left at lvl 5 dropsuit skill, which means more time firing before overheat, which means more damage by continuous fire. It becomes like Chromosome's STD Laser Rifle, useful not OP, but requires huge SP sink.
-XOXO |
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TunRa
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:33:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:TunRa wrote:Can the LR just get .2 more damage per level? I mean I understand that leveling up gives you less build up but when it comes to another LR user it doesn't matter. I think a small increase in DPS that the LR will continued to be balanced while at the same time making it so a regualr LR, wich has the same range and stats besides heat build up as every other laser, can't beat my Viziam. You don't understand how the thing even works do you... For increasing damage you have to level up proficiency. The operation skill decreases cooldown time, not heat build up. So if the laser goes to overheat, it'll spend less time in the overheat animation. Sure it's an useless skill but w/e. Many other weapons have useless operation skills, like the Assault Scrambler Rifle. If you want more damage from the laser, you'll have to invest in the Amarr Assault skill, which reduces heat build up. This makes the laser overheat at 20-25 ammo (I don't really know since I don't have the proto suit), left at lvl 5 dropsuit skill, which means more time firing before overheat, which means more damage by continuous fire. It becomes like Chromosome's STD Laser Rifle, useful not OP, but requires huge SP sink. -XOXO I have and the basic LR still beats my viziam. Because they ALL have the same stats but that one little thing. I wasn't talking about the operation I was talking about how the diffrences between the LR, the ELM-7, and the Viziam are only the heat build ups. And heat build up doesn't matter when you both do the same damage at the same time within the same range and % eff. |
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:44:00 -
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TunRa wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:TunRa wrote:Can the LR just get .2 more damage per level? I mean I understand that leveling up gives you less build up but when it comes to another LR user it doesn't matter. I think a small increase in DPS that the LR will continued to be balanced while at the same time making it so a regualr LR, wich has the same range and stats besides heat build up as every other laser, can't beat my Viziam. You don't understand how the thing even works do you... For increasing damage you have to level up proficiency. The operation skill decreases cooldown time, not heat build up. So if the laser goes to overheat, it'll spend less time in the overheat animation. Sure it's an useless skill but w/e. Many other weapons have useless operation skills, like the Assault Scrambler Rifle. If you want more damage from the laser, you'll have to invest in the Amarr Assault skill, which reduces heat build up. This makes the laser overheat at 20-25 ammo (I don't really know since I don't have the proto suit), left at lvl 5 dropsuit skill, which means more time firing before overheat, which means more damage by continuous fire. It becomes like Chromosome's STD Laser Rifle, useful not OP, but requires huge SP sink. -XOXO I have and the basic LR still beats my viziam. Because they ALL have the same stats but that one little thing. I wasn't talking about the operation I was talking about how the diffrences between the LR, the ELM-7, and the Viziam are only the heat build ups. And heat build up doesn't matter when you both do the same damage at the same time within the same range and % eff.
Bro, it DOes matter. The LAser Rifle damage INCREASES, the longer you have the laser hitting somebody. So if you have less heat build up it means you can point the laser at someone for longer, this means in the long run, a lot more damage.
It IS true however that if both of you start shooting at the same time,both without proficiency nor damage mods, then the outcome of the battle will be decided by 2 things:
1st) The EHP of both players 2nd)The First one to overheat , looses.
These 2 get covered,by our beautiful Amarr assault suit.(My Amarr ADV runs 700EHP, more than enough running at 6.8...) And i have it at level 4, thats 20% less heat buildup ;) ) |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:55:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Bro, it DOes matter. The LAser Rifle damage INCREASES, the longer you have the laser hitting somebody. So if you have less heat build up it means you can point the laser at someone for longer, this means in the long run, a lot more damage.
It IS true however that if both of you start shooting at the same time,both without proficiency nor damage mods, then the outcome of the battle will be decided by 2 things:
1st) The EHP of both players 2nd)The First one to overheat , looses.
These 2 get covered,by our beautiful Amarr assault suit.(My Amarr ADV runs 700EHP, more than enough running at 6.8...) And i have it at level 4, thats 20% less heat buildup ;) )
DING DING DING DING DING
This guy has it right. In a way, less heat build-up equals more damage potential.
This does leave me wondering though, does the LR cap out on its increased damage? If so how long does it take to reach the max, half the time it takes for the Viziam to overheat, or what? It'd be interesting to see some testing (I likely won't have time to test myself, but it'd be interesting to know) |
NOAMIzzzzz
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:17:00 -
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No...no facking chrome lazor plox |
Provolonee
Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:31:00 -
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I do cringe a little bit every time I kill somebody at laser range with an AR.
Also do not forget all we had were caldari suits, and most heavys were using the type 2 sheild suits. So the 90% of the playerbase were getting hit with 130% dmg from it.
It's an extremly niche weapon and that is still not king of its own niche. Is it better: yes! Does it kill: yes!
Slow and steady, next it needs its range curve adjusted. And Ccp needs to share the damage formula with us so we can look at numbers compared to other guns. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:11:00 -
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Provolonee wrote:I do cringe a little bit every time I kill somebody at laser range with an AR.
Also do not forget all we had were caldari suits, and most heavys were using the type 2 sheild suits. So the 90% of the playerbase were getting hit with 130% dmg from it.
It's an extremly niche weapon and that is still not king of its own niche. Is it better: yes! Does it kill: yes!
Slow and steady, next it needs its range curve adjusted. And Ccp needs to share the damage formula with us so we can look at numbers compared to other guns.
I went 35-2 with the LR yesterday. Again, it depends on the map: This was on LINE HARVEST,Where ,same as manus peak, the laser has no real counter ( well, you know except TAC/SCRAM RIFLES , and ARs but thats not the way is supposed to be XD)
AR are an annoyance BUT im going to be honest, at max range i dont feel ARS are REALLY hitting me so hard, the problem i have;my LR is not hitting Hard either and it IS my optimal range... |
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