DUST Search - Are there any good dual stick aimers?

Thor McStrut wrote:

Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:

With everybody talking about how OP the aim assist is, I would really like to see a video of somebody using sticks (with or without aim assist!) and having near perfect aim and tracking.

I have asked for video proof that this is achievable (at a level similar to high skilled mouse play) several times now, and never received a response. Now with aim assist supposedly making aiming dead easy, it should be really simple to provide this proof, no?

I'm not trying to be a ****, I'm really curious and want to see this.

I'm not talking about controlled testing of the aim assist, or one-off shots, but aiming in actual gameplay.

There are people who claim that with AA, the game requires no skill anymore. If that is true, everybody (or at least many) should have perfect aiming. Unless I see proof of it, I just can't take that kind of statement seriously.

After watching JonnPew's channel, he's pretty good with the DS3. His vids are pre 1.4 though, so often times his hits look way off due to the ****** hit detection. I know there are good trackers though, some people just have the skills. I sure don't. Even with AA, I still prefer the MD Lol

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Csikszent Mihalyi DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2013.09.10 23:38:00 - [1] - Quote With everybody talking about how OP the aim assist is, I would really like to see a video of somebody using sticks (with or without aim assist!) and having near perfect aim and tracking. I have asked for video proof that this is achievable (at a level similar to high skilled mouse play) several times now, and never received a response. Now with aim assist supposedly making aiming dead easy, it should be really simple to provide this proof, no? I'm not trying to be a ****, I'm really curious and want to see this. I'm not talking about controlled testing of the aim assist, or one-off shots, but aiming in actual gameplay. There are people who claim that with AA, the game requires no skill anymore. If that is true, everybody (or at least many) should have perfect aiming. Unless I see proof of it, I just can't take that kind of statement seriously.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8283	Posted - 2013.09.10 23:41:00 - [2] - Quote Ran into a guy earlier today he dumped three magazines trying to kill me (he successfully did in the end) with a Duvolle. So... not sure what control method he was using but I was out in the open in uneven terrain he should have finished me off in half a clip.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 419	Posted - 2013.09.10 23:56:00 - [3] - Quote No there skill is determined by how many rounds are in a single clip
Thor McStrut Reckoners 182	Posted - 2013.09.11 00:02:00 - [4] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: With everybody talking about how OP the aim assist is, I would really like to see a video of somebody using sticks (with or without aim assist!) and having near perfect aim and tracking. I have asked for video proof that this is achievable (at a level similar to high skilled mouse play) several times now, and never received a response. Now with aim assist supposedly making aiming dead easy, it should be really simple to provide this proof, no? I'm not trying to be a **, I'm really curious and want to see this. I'm not talking about controlled testing of the aim assist, or one-off shots, but aiming in actual gameplay. There are people who claim that with AA, the game requires no skill anymore. If that is true, everybody (or at least many) should have perfect aiming. Unless I see proof of it, I just can't take that kind of statement seriously. After watching JonnPew's channel, he's pretty good with the DS3. His vids are pre 1.4 though, so often times his hits look way off due to the **** hit detection. I know there are good trackers though, some people just have the skills. I sure don't. Even with AA, I still prefer the MD
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 1028	Posted - 2013.09.11 00:05:00 - [5] - Quote Send me money for a capture card and it will be done.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 238	Posted - 2013.09.11 00:40:00 - [6] - Quote I use DS3 and I turned off my Aim Assist because it was stepping in too much with my tracking. I also use the semi-auto ScR. Under these conditions, I consider myself a pretty good shoot. Though my performance is pretty inconsistant and I tend to choke when playing with well known players. So I don't consider myself a "pro" player.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 982	Posted - 2013.09.11 00:42:00 - [7] - Quote So you haven't seen that video clip of some Russian guys who show you how AA really works? He shows its off for the first few minutes and then turns it on and show how it tracks only a little bit... Maybe it's on the second page of this forum...
Rynoceros Rise of Old Dudes 685	Posted - 2013.09.11 00:49:00 - [8] - Quote AA doesn't compensate against sprinting and jumping or discern targets well enough for me to use it. DS3 all day. I'm not phenomenal, I hold my own. But, I can tell a slight difference in CQC engagements when hip firing an AR. It (AA) bounces too much when single & burst ripping on an oncoming zerg.
TEST SUBJECT 33 Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.11 00:58:00 - [9] - Quote I'm real good at aiming with my stick!
Csikszent Mihalyi DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:39:00 - [10] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So you haven't seen that video clip of some Russian guys who show you how AA really works? He shows its off for the first few minutes and then turns it on and show how it tracks only a little bit... Maybe it's on the second page of this forum... Like I said, I'm not looking for a demonstration of how aim assist works. I am looking for a video of somebody aiming near perfectly (at least comparable to a good mouse player) during actual gameplay. Since it is always insinuated that this is really easy to do now, it shouldn't be that hard to create some evidence? It doesn't have to be recorded with a capture card, a decent phone recording would be better than nothing.

Ofelia Softly Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:43:00 - [11] - Quote That moment when Aim Assist was never turned on for DS3 after like 3 weeks into open beta up until this latest patch. That moment when it works as intended and people freak out when they hit something for damage. That moment when CCP implements something that works and people still complain. That moment when this game is so fail it literally works against itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Csikszent Mihalyi DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:44:00 - [12] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: With everybody talking about how OP the aim assist is, I would really like to see a video of somebody using sticks (with or without aim assist!) and having near perfect aim and tracking. I have asked for video proof that this is achievable (at a level similar to high skilled mouse play) several times now, and never received a response. Now with aim assist supposedly making aiming dead easy, it should be really simple to provide this proof, no? I'm not trying to be a **, I'm really curious and want to see this. I'm not talking about controlled testing of the aim assist, or one-off shots, but aiming in actual gameplay. There are people who claim that with AA, the game requires no skill anymore. If that is true, everybody (or at least many) should have perfect aiming. Unless I see proof of it, I just can't take that kind of statement seriously. After watching JonnPew's channel, he's pretty good with the DS3. His vids are pre 1.4 though, so often times his hits look way off due to the **** hit detection. I know there are good trackers though, some people just have the skills. I sure don't. Even with AA, I still prefer the MD I just watched his video "My Passion for Competitive Shooters [..]". I liked it, I actually feel much the same way about DUST, I'm often quite conflicted, and sometimes I feel the urge to aim for something more competitive, but then I have to remind myself that I just don't have the time for it anymore... Anyway, his aiming really is decent, and for a stick user I find it impressive. But it's still pretty shaky, and nothing that would make a mouse user tremble. It would be very interesting to see if and how much he would be improved with aim assist. Also, now I feel like trying out the tac AR. :)
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 597	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:46:00 - [13] - Quote I always considered myself pretty good at tracking. Still it's impossible for me in cqc to win against even a good kb/m user. Kb/m strafe is way too quick, and mouse tracking is so damn fast compared to a ds3.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 480	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:49:00 - [14] - Quote Somehow I am thinking that this is another part of the Dust University's crusade to uphold AA.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 480	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:52:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So you haven't seen that video clip of some Russian guys who show you how AA really works? He shows its off for the first few minutes and then turns it on and show how it tracks only a little bit... Maybe it's on the second page of this forum... Lol at 'a little bit' he was the first to show that AA tracks for you, period. At this point you have to have more skill to miss despite AA as opposed to hitting the target with it.
Csikszent Mihalyi DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:54:00 - [16] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Somehow I am thinking that this is another part of the Dust University's crusade to uphold AA. You got me, I'm a mouse user who badly wants to uphold AA, so the game becomes harder for me. I guess ad hominems are easier after all than answering a request for actual evidence.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 480	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:55:00 - [17] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So you haven't seen that video clip of some Russian guys who show you how AA really works? He shows its off for the first few minutes and then turns it on and show how it tracks only a little bit... Maybe it's on the second page of this forum... Like I said, I'm not looking for a demonstration of how aim assist works. I am looking for a video of somebody aiming near perfectly (at least comparable to a good mouse player) during actual gameplay. Since it is always insinuated that this is really easy to do now, it shouldn't be that hard to create some evidence? It doesn't have to be recorded with a capture card, a decent phone recording would be better than nothing. Jeez. The more I read the more awesome stuff I find in this thread. So, your logic is then that if aiming and tracking w/o AA is not really easy ppl should not play w/o AA. Because playing competitive games is obviously about maximizing ease and minimizing challenge.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 309	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:56:00 - [18] - Quote i seem to be the only tanker tht uses the dualshock 3 controller. does tht count. :D
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 480	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:56:00 - [19] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Somehow I am thinking that this is another part of the Dust University's crusade to uphold AA. You got me, I'm a mouse user who badly wants to uphold AA, so the game becomes harder for me. I guess ad hominems are easier after all than answering a request for actual evidence. This is not ad homini. I did not insult your intelligence to invalidate your post. I am just saying that you guys have a holy crusade rolling on all threads for AA. Prove me wrong.
Csikszent Mihalyi DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2013.09.11 02:04:00 - [20] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So you haven't seen that video clip of some Russian guys who show you how AA really works? He shows its off for the first few minutes and then turns it on and show how it tracks only a little bit... Maybe it's on the second page of this forum... Like I said, I'm not looking for a demonstration of how aim assist works. I am looking for a video of somebody aiming near perfectly (at least comparable to a good mouse player) during actual gameplay. Since it is always insinuated that this is really easy to do now, it shouldn't be that hard to create some evidence? It doesn't have to be recorded with a capture card, a decent phone recording would be better than nothing. Jeez. The more I read the more awesome stuff I find in this thread. So, your logic is then that if aiming and tracking w/o AA is not really easy ppl should not play w/o AA. Because playing competitive games is obviously about maximizing ease and minimizing challenge. Don't know what you are on about, I'm asking for evidence that it's easy with aim assist. Although videos without aim assist would be fine too, of course... I'd just like to see actual evidence that it's possible to achieve the kind of near-perfect aiming (which people claim is all so common now) consistently with sticks. I'm not making a point, I just want to know the truth. Is that really so unreasonable? If aim assist is really that strong, it should be in everybody's interest to show what it's truly capable of. Instead, all I get is words and distractions. That says a lot right there.



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