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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1333
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:56:00 -
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I hope CCP is smart enough to realize the "real" reason why Vets are leaving the game, the aim-assist is negating the effects of the Skill Tree, Weapon Operation, Proficiency and Sharp Shooter skills are useless now, so most Vets feels "Cheated", For example;
Level 5 Assault Rifle operation / Level 5 Assault Rifle Proficiency / level 5 Sharp Shooter, is now as effective as;
Level 3 Rifle Operation.
That is assuming that you using the aim-assist, is about 3 times worst if you not.
It will be fine if CCP encouraged this balanced game-play from the start, but they haven't. Some people have spend MONTHS building their SP to make their weapons as effective as possible, for nothing. That is going to make people leave the game CCP.
Fix it fast, before you lose all you Vet players. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
480
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:03:00 -
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another guy that does not know and does not understand how aim assist works and rants for no reason because we didnt had enough of those threads in the past week. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1333
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:07:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:another guy that does not know and does not understand how aim assist works and rants for no reason because we didnt had enough of those threads in the past week.
I understand perfectly what the aim-assist does, i can see it with my own eyes. Is making the Skill Tree useless, simply because you don't need that "SKILLS" if the game is helping you to aim. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
481
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:10:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Jack McReady wrote:another guy that does not know and does not understand how aim assist works and rants for no reason because we didnt had enough of those threads in the past week. I understand perfectly what the aim-assist does, i can see it with my own eyes. Is making the Skill Tree useless, simply because you don't need that "SKILLS" if the game is helping you to aim. and you just insulted your own intelligence with your own post. congratulations!
I let you figure out by yourself why. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:11:00 -
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Aim assist is just a "sticky reticule" It has no effect on bullet range or dispersion..
In fact it's more like one of those gummy window stickies where you have to get it to touch the window for it to stick... and it doesn't last that long. Likewise the "Aim assist" you have to get the reticule over the target before it starts to gummy on it. Albeit the rotation speed of the "gummy" state needs to be reduced about 25% but it's almost something that could be worked with. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
344
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:13:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:I hope CCP is smart enough to realize the "real" reason why Vets are leaving the game. I-Śm a vet and I-Śm not leaving the game. I also like 1.4 and everything that comes with it so what are you talking about? Why are you talking nonsense like this?? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1334
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:13:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Jack McReady wrote:another guy that does not know and does not understand how aim assist works and rants for no reason because we didnt had enough of those threads in the past week. I understand perfectly what the aim-assist does, i can see it with my own eyes. Is making the Skill Tree useless, simply because you don't need that "SKILLS" if the game is helping you to aim. and you just insulted your own intelligence with your own post. congratulations! I let you figure out by yourself why.
Will you develop and learn the Skills to fly a plane, if the auto-pilot does everything for you ? |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
968
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:14:00 -
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LOL you don't need skills!
So you mean to tell me that all you use is the right analog and never the left since the "aimbot" automatically locks onto the red on your screen??
Listen, people need to stop just hopping on bandwagons and actually digest the information. All those people talking that "aimbot" crap really don't know how it works and are just talking bs crap that some other joker who doesn't know what he's talking about is saying.
There is some required effort by the player. The aim assist doesn't "track" as you and many others think it does.
The wrong people are giving feedback to CCP |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1334
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:19:00 -
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Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. For what i see, the player base have already drop to 3,000 players, keep waiting to make a decision CCP.
I wonder how many Vets are going to return once you make the decision. They may end up saying **** off to you, once you decide to have them back. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
345
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:19:00 -
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It is also a hell of alot harder to find cover now and prevent getting killed. Skills and map knowledge is needed now to play defence. |
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
345
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:22:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. lol what are you not understanding f**l? People have bin leaving this game for months. after 1.4 the game is so much more user friendly. No more unbeatable proto bears running around thinking they are good.
Wake up kid and smell the coffee. Also.. Try to cry less. This is just a video game and you can always find a new one to play if you dont like this one.. |
Rahl Draak
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:25:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:I hope CCP is smart enough to realize the "real" reason why Vets are leaving the game, the aim-assist is negating the effects of the Skill Tree, Weapon Operation, Proficiency and Sharp Shooter skills are useless now, so most Vets feels "Cheated", For example;
Level 5 Assault Rifle operation / Level 5 Assault Rifle Proficiency / level 5 Sharp Shooter, is now as effective as;
Level 3 Rifle Operation.
That is assuming that you using the aim-assist, is about 3 times worst if you not.
It will be fine if CCP encouraged this balanced game-play from the start, but they haven't. Some people have spend MONTHS building their SP to make their weapons as effective as possible, for nothing. That is going to make people leave the game CCP.
Fix it fast, before you lose all you Vet players.
This is an alt, of course, I've played since pre-E3 build, over a year ago. Dust started as a hardcore shooter, meaning reeeaally good players were reeeaaally good, and everyone else was average at best. When I say "reeeaaallly good" I mean straight up gungame shooters. Literally, since Chromosome, CCP has gotten greedy and decided to maximize their profit (they can, they ARE the creators of the game afterall) by systematically making it more and more...and more casual/noob/low skill friendly in the form of mass drivers, shotguns, aim assist, etc. They can do whatever they want, they're the boss, never forget that. If it fails it fails, boohoo.
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
970
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:30:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. For what i see, the player base have already drop to 3,000 players, keep waiting to make a decision CCP.
I wonder how many Vets are going to return once you make the decision. They may end up saying **** off to you, once you decide to have them back.
I've been playing this game since February/March. And what you said has been said in many different forms from the base of many different discussions. Yet Dust remains. The core player base remains.
Dust shall grow and we shall grow with it. If you're not committed to it and feel that your reasoning are truth, I completely understand. For I am just a merc who works for my state. A player who is committed to the long haul.
I don't care about the vets because mercs like me and others are working to become the new vets. Trust me, we would rather take their spots from them instead of it left vacant for us to fill. But we will gladly take it as it is. And when those old vets return, we will welcome them with a barrage of AR fire.
"I will bend like a reed in the wind"
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1334
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:33:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. For what i see, the player base have already drop to 3,000 players, keep waiting to make a decision CCP.
I wonder how many Vets are going to return once you make the decision. They may end up saying **** off to you, once you decide to have them back. I've been playing this game since February/March. And what you said has been said in many different forms from the base of many different discussions. Yet Dust remains. The core player base remains. Dust shall grow and we shall grow with it. If you're not committed to it and feel that your reasoning are truth, I completely understand. For I am just a merc who works for my state. A player who is committed to the long haul. I don't care about the vets because mercs like me and others are working to become the new vets. Trust me, we would rather take their spots from them instead of it left vacant for us to fill. But we will gladly take it as it is. And when those old vets return, we will welcome them with a barrage of AR fire. "I will bend like a reed in the wind"
Go a head, became a vet, once you get there you will understand what i talking about, and then you will leave. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
361
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:33:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:I hope CCP is smart enough to realize the "real" reason why Vets are leaving the game. I-Śm a vet and I-Śm not leaving the game. I also like 1.4 and everything that comes with it so what are you talking about? Why are you talking nonsense like this??
I'm a Vet as well. I'm here since the closed beta where you need the fanfest key to enter. So please Banning Hammer speak only for yourself, not all the Vets are leaving, some of us like the 1.4!
Banning Hammer wrote:Go a head, became a vet, once you get there you will understand what i talking about, and then you will leave.
How about you leave quietly? |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
966
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:33:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:I hope CCP is smart enough to realize the "real" reason why Vets are leaving the game, the aim-assist is negating the effects of the Skill Tree, Weapon Operation, Proficiency and Sharp Shooter skills are useless now, so most Vets feels "Cheated", For example;
Level 5 Assault Rifle operation / Level 5 Assault Rifle Proficiency / level 5 Sharp Shooter, is now as effective as;
Level 3 Rifle Operation.
That is assuming that you using the aim-assist, is about 3 times worst if you not.
It will be fine if CCP encouraged this balanced game-play from the start, but they haven't. Some people have spend MONTHS building their SP to make their weapons as effective as possible, for nothing. That is going to make people leave the game CCP.
Fix it fast, before you lose all you Vet players.
Bad comparison, the LR is straight like a laser beam with no kick and an AR has multiple projectiles that move along different paths. Of course the LR is going to reach out further and be more accurate. It is focused like a laser and has a long range, ARs are more like a shotgun at long range with the projectiles spreading out in a cone shape over shorter distances. Apples and oranges. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
156
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:35:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. lol what are you not understanding f**l? People have bin leaving this game for months. after 1.4 the game is so much more user friendly. No more unbeatable proto bears running around thinking they are good. Wake up kid and smell the coffee. Also.. Try to cry less. This is just a video game and you can always find a new one to play if you dont like this one..
I don't think AA is the right answer to "proto bears running around thinking they are good" I always thought thats what matchmaking should be for. Throwing people of even skills together to have some fun but instead matchmaking decides to throw new palyers against vets.
This alone is responsible for so much balancing complains and honestly in a game that is build around a rpg part with skills and tiers of equipment its common that higher SP players with better gear beat freshly created characters. As soon as this is no longer the case whats the point in skilling and using advanced or protogear?
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
970
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:36:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. For what i see, the player base have already drop to 3,000 players, keep waiting to make a decision CCP.
I wonder how many Vets are going to return once you make the decision. They may end up saying **** off to you, once you decide to have them back. I've been playing this game since February/March. And what you said has been said in many different forms from the base of many different discussions. Yet Dust remains. The core player base remains. Dust shall grow and we shall grow with it. If you're not committed to it and feel that your reasoning are truth, I completely understand. For I am just a merc who works for my state. A player who is committed to the long haul. I don't care about the vets because mercs like me and others are working to become the new vets. Trust me, we would rather take their spots from them instead of it left vacant for us to fill. But we will gladly take it as it is. And when those old vets return, we will welcome them with a barrage of AR fire. "I will bend like a reed in the wind" Go a head, became a vet, once you get there you will understand what i talking about, and then you will leave.
I probably won't. I'm made up of different ingredients than the common vet who does what every other vet is doing just for some pat on the back. An open mind leads to a better understanding of things.
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Amy Artic
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
29
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:38:00 -
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I don't mind the aim assist at all, it's fine, we all knew it was coming so why are we all crying out now?
I'm more concerned about what CCP are going to do for me and my speed tanking (infantry speed tanking) friends, we've really been stuffed around, but the aim assist has now made this build extremely difficult to use.
Other then that, 1.4 was a brilliant update :), props to CCP |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
966
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:39:00 -
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I don't want anyone to quit because we need everyone we can get but if CCP only caters to the 5% who are the "hardcore gamer" then the game will never get anywhere. This isn't a Ferrari and we don't have the luxury of only listening to a small percentage of the population. The game needs to appeal to as many people as possible and by on doing what the top players want we are neglecting the rest of the population. Aim Assist may need tweaking but it isn't the game breaker that it is made out to be. We need to put our big boy pants on and actually think about what is best for the game and not what makes you feel the best. |
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1335
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:40:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. For what i see, the player base have already drop to 3,000 players, keep waiting to make a decision CCP.
I wonder how many Vets are going to return once you make the decision. They may end up saying **** off to you, once you decide to have them back. I've been playing this game since February/March. And what you said has been said in many different forms from the base of many different discussions. Yet Dust remains. The core player base remains. Dust shall grow and we shall grow with it. If you're not committed to it and feel that your reasoning are truth, I completely understand. For I am just a merc who works for my state. A player who is committed to the long haul. I don't care about the vets because mercs like me and others are working to become the new vets. Trust me, we would rather take their spots from them instead of it left vacant for us to fill. But we will gladly take it as it is. And when those old vets return, we will welcome them with a barrage of AR fire. "I will bend like a reed in the wind" Go a head, became a vet, once you get there you will understand what i talking about, and then you will leave. I probably won't. I'm made up of different ingredients than the common vet who does what every other vet is doing just for some pat on the back. An open mind leads to a better understanding of things.
Yeah, because all the Vets CCP have right now are horrible people, right ? We are what CCP wanted us to be, CCP created us not the other way around.
Dust 514 "was" a game where Individual Skills and Skill Tree progression was mixed into the game-play, now...is just like any other Console game. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
481
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:41:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. For what i see, the player base have already drop to 3,000 players, keep waiting to make a decision CCP.
I wonder how many Vets are going to return once you make the decision. They may end up saying **** off to you, once you decide to have them back. I've been playing this game since February/March. And what you said has been said in many different forms from the base of many different discussions. Yet Dust remains. The core player base remains. Dust shall grow and we shall grow with it. If you're not committed to it and feel that your reasoning are truth, I completely understand. For I am just a merc who works for my state. A player who is committed to the long haul. I don't care about the vets because mercs like me and others are working to become the new vets. Trust me, we would rather take their spots from them instead of it left vacant for us to fill. But we will gladly take it as it is. And when those old vets return, we will welcome them with a barrage of AR fire. "I will bend like a reed in the wind" Go a head, became a vet, once you get there you will understand what i talking about, and then you will leave. your butthurt tunnelvision was already busted. you are simply not as good as you think, that is all
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
235
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:42:00 -
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this game has lost all skill required to play in the infantry aspect. same for the av..the only part of dust that is any challenge is tanking GG CCP |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1335
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:45:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I don't want anyone to quit because we need everyone we can get but if CCP only caters to the 5% who are the "hardcore gamer" then the game will never get anywhere. This isn't a Ferrari and we don't have the luxury of only listening to a small percentage of the population. The game needs to appeal to as many people as possible and by on doing what the top players want we are neglecting the rest of the population. Aim Assist may need tweaking but it isn't the game breaker that it is made out to be. We need to put our big boy pants on and actually think about what is best for the game and not what makes you feel the best.
Is lag of "CONTENT" that is keeping people away from the game, not the game mechanics. Dust 514 is a half finish experiment, that is WHY people is not playing. Where is all the;
- EvE conection - MMO Features - Game Modes - Maps - All the Dropsuits and Dropships
All that Crap ?
You guys are idiots. |
Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
235
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:47:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:this game has lost all skill required to play in the infantry aspect. same for the av..the only part of dust that is any challenge is tanking GG CCP in fact i am having more of a challenge in diablo 3 the new console one than i am in dust 514 a dungeon crawler IS HARDER THAN YOUR FPS CCP. this game is a total sandbox game the av aspect has been sand box for a long time. the logi aspect became sand box with md fix..+ your aim assist makes weapons like the smg OP i have run smg in dust since the begining there is a very good reason i dont have a flaylock and didnt when they were big i am more than happy with my smg always have been...but my smg was never meant to land 100% of the bullets fired and aim assist does this a skilled proto smg user automatically trumps an proto hmg user now. cant imagine how heavies are gunna feel when every newb in dust, switch's their aim assist on and grabs fluxes and smg's |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:50:00 -
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aim assist includes bullet magnetism, where near is good enough, from some of the videos i have seen it doubles to triples the effective hit box. so yes this guys is right, kick and dispersion bonuses (IE AR spec and SS) are meaning less except at beyond optimal ranges. |
Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
237
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:51:00 -
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also +1 for toneing this aim assist crap down my laser rifle was never meant to hop from one target to the next after a kill on it's own....nor was my ar...with aim assist if two people run up on you and you kill one the aim assist auto targets the other for you THAT IS INSANE CCP WHAT WERE YOU THINKING YOU SERIOUSLY GAVE THIS GAME COD AIM ASSIST THIS IS TERRIBAD CCP terribad. i thought this kind of aim assist was left behind with the original 007 golden eye |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
972
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:52:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Fine, don't listen... You victory is going to be hollow when only few people is playing the game. For what i see, the player base have already drop to 3,000 players, keep waiting to make a decision CCP.
I wonder how many Vets are going to return once you make the decision. They may end up saying **** off to you, once you decide to have them back. I've been playing this game since February/March. And what you said has been said in many different forms from the base of many different discussions. Yet Dust remains. The core player base remains. Dust shall grow and we shall grow with it. If you're not committed to it and feel that your reasoning are truth, I completely understand. For I am just a merc who works for my state. A player who is committed to the long haul. I don't care about the vets because mercs like me and others are working to become the new vets. Trust me, we would rather take their spots from them instead of it left vacant for us to fill. But we will gladly take it as it is. And when those old vets return, we will welcome them with a barrage of AR fire. "I will bend like a reed in the wind" Go a head, became a vet, once you get there you will understand what i talking about, and then you will leave. I probably won't. I'm made up of different ingredients than the common vet who does what every other vet is doing just for some pat on the back. An open mind leads to a better understanding of things. Yeah, because all the Vets CCP have right now are horrible people, right ? We are what CCP wanted us to be, CCP created us not the other way around. Dust 514 "was" a game where Individual Skills and Skill Tree progression was mixed into the game-play, now...is just like any other Console game.
And where did I say they're horrible people? It's funny how some folks react to me. I really don't know what tangent you decided go off to.
"It's just like any other console game"
LOL where you guys get this stuff from ? Cause yall say the same crap but honestly it sounds just utterly stupid. No offense to you, but really what does it mean to be "just any other console game"?
So you think you're taking away from it by saying so?
Is it like Battlefield? No. Is it like COD? No. What other game offers such an immersion? What other game took the task of connecting a already persistent universe on PC to a console game? What other shooter currently holds big ambitions like Dust? What other game punishes the play for playing stupidly and recklessly? Can it also be suggested that due to the popularity of DCUO and the accomplishments of Dust that now games like it will be premiering on PS4?
I mean, when you guys say that "It's just like any other console game" yall act like that was something ingenious that yall thought of. Until someone actually thinks about what you're saying and provides the other side of the coin.
So just stop it. It went from an AA rant to a Vet rant. It's like some argument guideline you guys read. Community doesn't like what you said? Say vets are leaving the game. Community still doesn't believe you? Say its like any other console shooter. They still don't believe you? Dust will die soon and some other game will take its place.
A violin is playing for you somewhere
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
237
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:53:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:aim assist includes bullet magnetism, where near is good enough, from some of the videos i have seen it doubles to triples the effective hit box. so yes this guys is right, kick and dispersion bonuses (IE AR spec and SS) are meaning less except at beyond optimal ranges. in optimal range though it makes no difference..ive found that now in dust to trump a smg v smg duel i need the better smg at optimal range and any smg at non optimal to win |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
525
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:53:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:I hope CCP is smart enough to realize the "real" reason why Vets are leaving the game, the aim-assist is negating the effects of the Skill Tree, Weapon Operation, Proficiency and Sharp Shooter skills are useless now, so most Vets feels "Cheated", For example;
Level 5 Assault Rifle operation / Level 5 Assault Rifle Proficiency / level 5 Sharp Shooter, is now as effective as;
Level 3 Rifle Operation.
That is assuming that you using the aim-assist, is about 3 times worst if you not.
It will be fine if CCP encouraged this balanced game-play from the start, but they haven't. Some people have spend MONTHS building their SP to make their weapons as effective as possible, for nothing. That is going to make people leave the game CCP.
Fix it fast, before you lose all you Vet players.
Funny i am a 20+m sp Vet, i use KBM and i had to retire since 1.2 until 1.4 because of how many cheap kills were being deployed in the game, HAV spam, Lav roadkillers, fused nades, massholes, calogis and so on....
Now these cheap tactics are out of the game and i am doing better then ever, if i run a game today solo below 30 kills with max 2 deaths, i sucked...
Maybe all the vets that were so used to using cheap kill methods are so unable to score actual kills now ?
Sure i die when faced by 4 guys comming from 4 diffrent directions, but when they are all in front of me they just drop dead, no more hit detection issues, power ranger leapfrog sideways movement coupled to a 6 man team, i peek up and 2 die before they one can shout "Over There".
Yesterday while i was solo raping a team of 6, after 3 went down and i was down to just armor all the 3 others had to do was come over the hill to drop me, none came..so i went and saw em run for the hills. They never made it over there...
As a KBM Veteran, i am loving 1.4 and while the Aim assist is pretty good for ds3 users, you guys need it /pads dem "Veteran" backs...here here, now don't cry man...
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