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demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:51:00 -
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Whats the deal with them? if i have 4 do i hack something just by pressing O/E
If i have mini logis to 5 and system hacking to 5 im already at +50% hacking speed right? i dont see any penalties anywhere |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:05:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Whats the deal with them? if i have 4 do i hack something just by pressing O/E
If i have mini logis to 5 and system hacking to 5 im already at +50% hacking speed right? i dont see any penalties anywhere
They seem to be non-combat goods. Things that don't directly do damage seem to not need as much penalizing to still feel "equal" if you get what I mean. Like how armor and shield booster don't have reduced effects when stacked, but resistance does last I checked. |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
122
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:06:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Whats the deal with them? if i have 4 do i hack something just by pressing O/E
If i have mini logis to 5 and system hacking to 5 im already at +50% hacking speed right? i dont see any penalties anywhere
What is O/E? The penalties are on the codebreakers themselves, but the hacking skill (and min logi) does give you hacking bonus yes. And 50% is a lot so most people don't bother with codebreakers. I myself have a deidcated hacking suit with codebreakers anyway - every little helps, as Tesco say ;) |
demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z
Covert Intervention
187
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:12:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:Whats the deal with them? if i have 4 do i hack something just by pressing O/E
If i have mini logis to 5 and system hacking to 5 im already at +50% hacking speed right? i dont see any penalties anywhere What is O/E? The penalties are on the codebreakers themselves, but the hacking skill (and min logi) does give you hacking bonus yes. And 50% is a lot so most people don't bother with codebreakers. I myself have a deidcated hacking suit with codebreakers anyway - every little helps, as Tesco say ;)
i mean circle for controller and E for keyboard, so basically i get -50% hack speed for skills, then then the codebreakers work off the 50% remaining? im guessing 1 codebreaker complex would bring me down to 3.75s total hack time and 2 would bring me to 2.5s total hack time |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1065
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:16:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:Whats the deal with them? if i have 4 do i hack something just by pressing O/E
If i have mini logis to 5 and system hacking to 5 im already at +50% hacking speed right? i dont see any penalties anywhere What is O/E? The penalties are on the codebreakers themselves, but the hacking skill (and min logi) does give you hacking bonus yes. And 50% is a lot so most people don't bother with codebreakers. I myself have a deidcated hacking suit with codebreakers anyway - every little helps, as Tesco say ;) i mean circle for controller and E for keyboard, so basically i get -50% hack speed for skills, then then the codebreakers work off the 50% remaining? im guessing 1 codebreaker complex would bring me down to 3.75s total hack time and 2 would bring me to 2.5s total hack time
yep, Gal and Min Logis are the best hackers |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
746
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:35:00 -
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no you cant reduce it to a 0 second hack time.
percentages work differently then that
lets say it takes 10 seconds to hack
your minmatar logi (maxed) -25% = 7.5 seconds
you have passive hacking maxed -25% of above number = 5.625
hack mod #1 = 4.21
hackmod #2 = 3.16
hackmod 3 = 2.37
hackmod #4 =1.77 |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
1096
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:46:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:no you cant reduce it to a 0 second hack time.
percentages work differently then that
lets say it takes 10 seconds to hack
your minmatar logi (maxed) -25% = 7.5 seconds
you have passive hacking maxed -25% of above number = 5.625
hack mod #1 = 4.21
hackmod #2 = 3.16
hackmod 3 = 2.37
hackmod #4 =1.77
anything beyond 2 hack mods as a minmatar logi (3 as gallante) is a waste really and will gimp your suvivability without much benifit but for a master hacker class those 2 hack mods make hacking hilarious
actually, i want to say skill-based is additive for a straight 5sec hack on a max skill min logi. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1040
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:50:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:actually, i want to say skill-based is additive for a straight 5sec hack on a max skill min logi.
Since hacking works the same way as resistances I would say that this is incorrect, since two 10% resistance skills don't give 20%. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
746
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:52:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:no you cant reduce it to a 0 second hack time.
percentages work differently then that
lets say it takes 10 seconds to hack
your minmatar logi (maxed) -25% = 7.5 seconds
you have passive hacking maxed -25% of above number = 5.625
hack mod #1 = 4.21
hackmod #2 = 3.16
hackmod 3 = 2.37
hackmod #4 =1.77
anything beyond 2 hack mods as a minmatar logi (3 as gallante) is a waste really and will gimp your suvivability without much benifit but for a master hacker class those 2 hack mods make hacking hilarious actually, i want to say skill-based is additive for a straight 5sec hack on a max skill min logi.
skills themselves are additive, but only within the single skill.
2 skills modifying the same atribute is multiplicative.
i have a max hacking skilled minmatar logi if your wondering how i know this stuff |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
746
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:53:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:actually, i want to say skill-based is additive for a straight 5sec hack on a max skill min logi. Since hacking works the same way as resistances I would say that this is incorrect, since two 10% resistance skills don't give 20%.
this is true, but th eonly way to test it is to max out the caldari assault dropship :P
luykily i have a fiend who did, when they finally updated the stats to show shield resistance he was pissed |
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1040
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:56:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:this is true, but th eonly way to test it is to max out the caldari assault dropship :P
luykily i have a fiend who did, when they finally updated the stats to show shield resistance he was pissed
There's two 10% resistance skills for LAVs as well, although one of them isn't working I believe. But yes, two 10% skills will not give 20% resistance. |
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