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Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:05:00 -
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Caldari History- Early America Bloodlines: Deteis-American/Baltic Civire- Russian Achura-Japanese
Amarr History- Ancient Rome Bloodlines: True Amarr-Old Italians Khanid-Mongols Ni-Kunni- Old Semites (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel)
Gallente History: Europe Bloodlines: Gallente-French/UK Intaki-Indian (as from the country India) Jin-Mei-Chinese
Minmatar History: Third World Bloodlines: Brutor- Maori / West African Sebiestor-Balkan Peninsula / German Vherokior-Arabs |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
536
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:07:00 -
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You got it wrong the Civire look the most American from their models in EVE and the Deities look German the Achura do look like some kind of Asian culture though. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1892
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:13:00 -
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Caldari are more early Industrial Japanese Culture but I have seen the similarities drawn between the settling Americans and the Caldari. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:14:00 -
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Eris Ernaga wrote:You got it wrong the Civire look the most American from their models in EVE and the Deities look German the Achura do look like some kind of Asian culture though.
I don't based it on models, I'm basing it off their respective culture. Also 20% of Americans are of German heritage, which is the largest ethnic group in the US (it used to be 50%+ though) |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Caldari are more early Industrial Japanese Culture but I have seen the similarities drawn between the settling Americans and the Caldari.
American Japanese hybrid, RL Japanese corporations favored passing down rule/ownership from heir to heir (was expected, the norm, not seen as corrupt), American Corporations did not and spouted more meritocentric ideals.
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Also Japanese Corporate Culture was entirely borrowed from American Corporate Culture, there are still differences though. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1892
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:21:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:True Adamance wrote:Caldari are more early Industrial Japanese Culture but I have seen the similarities drawn between the settling Americans and the Caldari. American Japanese hybrid, RL Japanese corporations favored passing down rule/ownership from heir to heir (was expected, the norm, not seen as corrupt), American Corporations did not and spouted more meritocentric ideals. Edit: Also Japanese Corporate Culture was entirely borrowed from American Corporate Culture, there are still differences though. Caldari Mega corps are or were primarily passed down through heirs, corporate meritocracy was only recently brought back by Heth during his time of control |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
222
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:True Adamance wrote:Caldari are more early Industrial Japanese Culture but I have seen the similarities drawn between the settling Americans and the Caldari. American Japanese hybrid, RL Japanese corporations favored passing down rule/ownership from heir to heir (was expected, the norm, not seen as corrupt), American Corporations did not and spouted more meritocentric ideals. Edit: Also Japanese Corporate Culture was entirely borrowed from American Corporate Culture, there are still differences though. Caldari Mega corps are or were primarily passed down through heirs, corporate meritocracy was only recently brought back by Heth during his time of control
Unless I am mistaken, the order was meritocracy, nepotism, back to meritocracy, with nepotism being a smaller part of their history. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
365
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:48:00 -
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why do guys like to compare shat that been compare so many time |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
63
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:52:00 -
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Interesting OP.
I always thought the Amarr were an extension or extreme extrapolation of a conservative religious American culture. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1892
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:57:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:True Adamance wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:True Adamance wrote:Caldari are more early Industrial Japanese Culture but I have seen the similarities drawn between the settling Americans and the Caldari. American Japanese hybrid, RL Japanese corporations favored passing down rule/ownership from heir to heir (was expected, the norm, not seen as corrupt), American Corporations did not and spouted more meritocentric ideals. Edit: Also Japanese Corporate Culture was entirely borrowed from American Corporate Culture, there are still differences though. Caldari Mega corps are or were primarily passed down through heirs, corporate meritocracy was only recently brought back by Heth during his time of control Unless I am mistaken, the order was meritocracy, nepotism, back to meritocracy, with nepotism being a smaller part of their history. Indeed but primarily nepotism has been the more recent. |
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
593
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:01:00 -
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True Amarr old italians?? .... You mean Ancient Romans, right? what does it even mean old italians? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
722
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:01:00 -
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LOL.
Germany is a third world country now?
LOL! |
Faquira Bleuetta
Pure Innocence. EoN.
78
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:03:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Caldari History- Early America Bloodlines: Deteis-American/Baltic Civire- Russian Achura-Japanese
Amarr History- Ancient Rome Bloodlines: True Amarr-Old Italians Khanid-Mongols Ni-Kunni- Old Semites (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel)
Gallente History: Europe Bloodlines: Gallente-French/UK Intaki-Indian (as from the country India) Jin-Mei-Chinese
Minmatar History: Third World Bloodlines: Brutor- Maori / West African Sebiestor-Balkan Peninsula / German Vherokior-Arabs
fail |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1892
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:04:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Amarr old italians?? .... You mean Ancient Romans, right? what does it even mean old italians? Consider the Italians during the 13-15th centuries. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
593
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:05:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Caldari History- Early America Bloodlines: Deteis-American/Baltic Civire- Russian Achura-Japanese
Amarr History- Ancient Rome Bloodlines: True Amarr-Old Italians Khanid-Mongols Ni-Kunni- Old Semites (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel)
Gallente History: Europe Bloodlines: Gallente-French/UK Intaki-Indian (as from the country India) Jin-Mei-Chinese
Minmatar History: Third World Bloodlines: Brutor- Maori / West African Sebiestor-Balkan Peninsula / German Vherokior-Arabs fail
well, gallenteans actually are inspired by french people, it's so clear |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
593
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Amarr old italians?? .... You mean Ancient Romans, right? what does it even mean old italians? Consider the Italians during the 13-15th centuries. hmm... during the renaissance period then...maybe, but not so sure about it... |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
222
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:14:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:LOL.
Germany is a third world country now?
LOL!
Germany is not a third world country, history and culture are two different things, a lot of Minmatar ships have germanic names, and the people I labeled as German fit the 20th century German stereotype. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
222
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:17:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Amarr old italians?? .... You mean Ancient Romans, right? what does it even mean old italians?
Rome conquered its neighboring regions / city states to eventually control a large portion of Italy (and eventually much further), the Amarr became the Amarr after their dominance on the planet, the whole Amarr empire is the Roman Empire (ancient rome). The original Amarr are the Ancient Italians of Rome. Its my arbitrary distinction between the two. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
222
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:21:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Interesting OP.
I always thought the Amarr were an extension or extreme extrapolation of a conservative religious American culture.
The Amarr and Caldari do represent right wing politics, while the Minmatar and Gallente represent left wing politics as it is viewed in the Western world.
Religion + Capitalism vs Hedonism + Ethnocentrism
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
157
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:22:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Interesting OP.
I always thought the Amarr were an extension or extreme extrapolation of a conservative religious American culture. I thought the true Amarr were Muslims. Hence the strong religion and Arabic/middle eastern names sounding names. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8217
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Posted - 2013.09.10 07:29:00 -
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Eris Ernaga wrote:You got it wrong the Civire look the most American from their models in EVE and the Deities look German the Achura do look like some kind of Asian culture though.
Caldari have strong Japanese culture survived the gate collapse so they're very likely japanese. Many of the main line caldari naval orders are named by various japanese blades, as are mordu legion.
Most governments or ideals of them did not survive the collapse at all. While concepts are familiar the traits in each of them are drastically different enough you cannot really compare them to anything on earth.
For example there is no country in existence on earth yet or has that mimics the caldari order. While there are many traits embodied by the caldari that can be found in many other governments and cultures there is nothing that comes close to where something like Nasdaq board runs the entire nation.
Same goes for the Amarrians, Gallente, and Matar. Most of those are bastardizations of what we're familiar with with a splash of differences between what we know. This however is very great for fiction as it allows holes to be filled in due time. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1893
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Posted - 2013.09.10 07:33:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Interesting OP.
I always thought the Amarr were an extension or extreme extrapolation of a conservative religious American culture. I thought the true Amarr were Muslims. Hence the strong religion and Arabic/middle eastern names sounding names. Perhaps but their architecture and design to me, not to mention their religious tenets, suggest more of a christianic bent to their style. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8218
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Posted - 2013.09.10 07:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Interesting OP.
I always thought the Amarr were an extension or extreme extrapolation of a conservative religious American culture. I thought the true Amarr were Muslims. Hence the strong religion and Arabic/middle eastern names sounding names. Perhaps but their architecture and design to me, not to mention their religious tenets, suggest more of a christianic bent to their style.
Amarrians are followers of Amarr religion from the Local Cluster, its however they left local similar reasons as why the pilgrims left europe, they were not welcomed under Terran rule and went to new eden as a means of religious freedom. Amarr could be said to be the oldest existing culture in New Eden overall and one of the few still existing races that may have references (written) to Earth and the Terrans.
We do know the Sleepers were brought over as a slave caste for the terrans as workers and the sorts. Jovains claim the sleepers as their own ancestors and jovian culture is far younger than the gate collapse.
As for the other precursor races... you're going to have to find another new eden historian I have no idea what the Tak'mal, Talocan, YuYang along with the terrans where up to right before the gate collapse. All i know is whatever killed the sleepers off most likely killed the Talocan as well and Talocan where highly nomadic. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
224
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Eris Ernaga wrote:You got it wrong the Civire look the most American from their models in EVE and the Deities look German the Achura do look like some kind of Asian culture though. Caldari have strong Japanese culture survived the gate collapse so they're very likely japanese. Many of the main line caldari naval orders are named by various japanese blades, as are mordu legion. Most governments or ideals of them did not survive the collapse at all. While concepts are familiar the traits in each of them are drastically different enough you cannot really compare them to anything on earth. For example there is no country in existence on earth yet or has that mimics the caldari order. While there are many traits embodied by the caldari that can be found in many other governments and cultures there is nothing that comes close to where something like Nasdaq board runs the entire nation. Same goes for the Amarrians, Gallente, and Matar. Most of those are bastardizations of what we're familiar with with a splash of differences between what we know. This however is very great for fiction as it allows holes to be filled in due time.
If you are going entirely based on nomenclature you are going to end up with different results, if that is the metric used the Minmatar might as well simply be stamped as the Nords, but that would be missing a large part of what constitutes them. The creation of the Caldari strikes a lot a lot of similarities to Early America, from breaking away from a European based power, to the founding corporations as the founding states of the US, with prolong issues of centralization of power/economics over the years, similar to the Federalists vs Republican conflict that occurred in the US. You can even compare . My point is that there way to many parallels between American history and Caldari history.
Also the Japanese who came later into the fold as American allies and their Americanization parallels the Achura arriving later at the Caldari's foodsteps. While I am not denying the Japanese influence, I'm just saying that it is not the only influence that the Caldari was based on, and in fact early Caldari history is in fact American. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
931
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:18:00 -
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I also though Caldari were just Asian, Gallente were French, Amarr Italian and Minmatar were...OK I have no idea... |
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