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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:41:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:
Okay, so you do actually have some grasp of it.
So in that case, seems like you should be in favour of things to encourage them "suppressing a point for capture", etc.
that benefit squad objectives.
Your suggestion about win vs loss rewards, does not specifically encourage snipers to help out a squad. All it does, is encourage them to kill more people.
Your complaints about "sometimes I get too many snipers on my squad", is a problem with poor squad leadership, not game mechanics. In those cases, the leader simply says, "too many snipers in this squad. change your fit, or be booted from the squad."
It's no different from a squad leader who has a team full of heavies/dropship pilots/whocares.
It's up to the squad leader to tell his team, "This doesnt work. Some of you guys MUST change fit"
Currently, a squad leader has no "carrot" for a good sniper to want to follow. If he says "help us or I boot you from the squad", sniper says, "okay i dont care, my rewards dont change either way".
CCP needs to give snipers a motivation to participate as part of a squad.
yeah, there are top level snipers who go 20/0 blah blah, who it wont make any difference to. I'm not talking about those guys. I'm talking about the majority of new to middling snipers in the game, who would then make more WP working together as part of a squad, rather than lone wolfing it.
Once again you are putting words into my mouth and making assumptions about me. I don't have an issue with too many snipers in my squad. When I run squads we rarely have a sniper. The exception is when I'm recruiting but once again I'm not squad lead in these cases so it really isn't a reflection on my leadership. What I said is that there are frequently too many snipers on a given team. As I sated earlier, giving a bonus for hacking to the whole squad does nothing to encourage sniper participation. Snipers, especially the middling snipers, are typically disinterested in helping out their squad. They snipe because they feel like they can't compete in other roles, or because they see KDR as the be all and end all of FPS success. By following my suggestion of drastically limiting post match rewards for losing they will notice that when they are sniping in non-productive ways they loose more frequently which in turn leads to uselessly small payouts. Their SP development being hindered by their teams poor performance will push them to either try sniping in different ways which do help their team win (sometimes that is killing but typically not) or try a different role that allows them to have a more meaningful impact on a matches outcome. It is my intent to kill the my KDR was the highest so I won mentality that we are all guilty of succumbing to, and this will only happen if winning is highly incentivized over loosing.
Didn't read entire thread so I'll just comment on what I've read up to this point.
Sniper limits: NO! Although I see your point and it does, in fact, make sense, you forget that if a player has speced heavily in sniping then there only other option is to engage with free fits and no passive skills to support this style of play that is forced upon them. This will result in them getting fewer kills, more deaths, and more frustrated as they cannot play there way. Not to mention that there constant deaths will mean much more WPs for the enemy which means them getting more orbitals and lowering your chances of winning below it's current point.
Lose Penalty: Yes and No. Yes lower it but not by the amount that you claim as this would mean on the rare occasion that you get a full team of players that actually try and still lose (other team was just as motivated or was proto stomping) the moral of the player goes from "good game" and "At least we made them lose a lot of money" to "That was not worth it". One should never punish those that try.
Hacking Bonus: Yes and No. Give the bonus to everyone within range of the objective (even if they are not in the squad) as players will, at times, use there bodies to protect you while you make the hack and so they should be rewarded for such loyalty. Also I think the "Defend" order needs to be removed and you should get bonus points whenever you kill an enemy that is attacking an ally be them squad or BBs.
KDR: Some corps have a KDR requirement to rank up (2.5 for M.E.R.C Elite) and that can, at times, cause players to resort to drastic measures in order to make the cut. KDR may not be as important in this game as in other FPS games but it does have it's value (low KDR = your team getting cloned quicker). Personally I ignore my KDR while in a match and just focus on doing my job (this sometimes involve sniping) in order to help my team progress. Because of this mind set and my ability to perform without having a single skill at level 5 my alliance has deemed me ready for PC and my KDR is barely over 1.0.
Suggestion
Give sniper squad share while scoped in but don't mark enemies unless they have a higher profile then your precision (so even if you can clearly see the guy, if his profile is low then the chevron still won't appear). On top of that CCP should grant 5 WPs if a teammate kills the marked target (Call it "Recon"). This will grant the sniper more of a purpose as they can actually be valid to the team without needing to get kills (and there WPs will reflect that).
Well that's this scout's view of the topic and a solute you guys for a relevant thread instead of just QQing the whole time ^_^
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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:50:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:
Refer back to my "this is a squad leader issue" post.
Someone does that, the leader should kick them from the squad. problem solved.
Why? If you have empty space and it's filled by an AFK'er, who is adding WP to the total pool by doing nothing? Errr.. how exactly does someone "add WP" by "doing nothing"? I've never noticed this is possible.
Peaked up a little so decided to respond to this as well.
I think he is referring to the squad hack bonus suggestion. If the whole squad gets say 5 WPs each then even if you are doing nothing you can gain WPs because your squad is hacking stuff. This also means that if you hack an objective then, with a full squad, your squad would gain 130-180(squad order) WPs instead of just 100 and this is with the idea of a lone squad member sneaking around and hacking an unguarded point. If you had nothing to do with the hack in anyway then you shouldn't get rewarded.
At least that's what I think he's talking about
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:50:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:
Waste of time assuming for some reason you guys were good/dedicated enough to stop me from sniping, I would jut afk and get a drink till the match was over, I mean if 6 of my team is standing around like **** heads why should I bother, we defiantely won't win the match, and this is in a game where apparently most of the team isn't doing anything anyway.
seems like an afk match, not a throw my money away like an idiot match.
as for reasons to snipe? many suggestions have been made in the past
- counter sniping bonus: extra points for sniping a sniper.
- base defence bonus for sniping players on a hack point or around a hack point.
- active scanners on rifles to help the team, or a method to paint targets with our sniper rifle for team coordination.
- a mid range sniper rifle to allow us to travel with our squads and help in these new mid range maps.
- double tap bonuses - points for finishing off corpses with a sniper rifle
- equipment removal bonuses - points for destroying enemy equipment like spawn points.
I could keep going but I doubt any of it will be implemented
A) Those guys standing there would also make for a good meat shield.
B) So many good ideas that would only better this game.
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