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Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:39:00 -
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1. When CCP planing to smtb with logis? These best beat evey one in whole game. 2. How do you beat ppl from corps like Grupo de Asalto Chacal? Every 3rd match i play against them...logis 500shield 400armor and duvolle |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
296
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:41:00 -
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1: what does smtb mean? Also a decent assault beats a decent logi. Logi is just more versatile, but head to head? Assault wins.
2: um... What can I say? Squad up and get gud, I guess. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:49:00 -
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Your corp name has "academy" in it. Shouldn't they be helping with questions like this?
Logistics suits are versatile and effective but an assault suit should beat them in a 1vs1 engagement.
If you encounter a full squad of good fighters you better have friends or find an another way to win the fight. Many tight squads hate to separate on the battlefield. Switch to a fast, low profile fit or call in a cheap LAV and go to the far end of the field to hack or pick off other members of their team. Don't engage them head on. |
Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
16
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:58:00 -
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1. Smth i mean that they build as assault and they do it better than nomral assaults.
Well im a decent as caldari. 3comp shield extenders ,base armor and gek. Need some more for duvolle and will max whole AR tree. But i rarely win vs logis. They got 800ehp, duvolle and sometime dmg mod, cant beat them with my assault :/. They always end as 10+/2 stats. If ill want duvolle on my adv must sacrafise 1 comp extender and will have only 370-400shield. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1187
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:19:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:1. Smth i mean that they build as assault and they do it better than nomral assaults.
Well im a decent as caldari. 3comp shield extenders ,base armor and gek. Need some more for duvolle and will max whole AR tree. But i rarely win vs logis. They got 800ehp, duvolle and sometime dmg mod, cant beat them with my assault :/. They always end as 10+/2 stats. If ill want duvolle on my adv must sacrafise 1 comp extender and will have only 370-400shield.
Duvolle provides a tiny boost but its the skills behind it that make it deadly. Watch someone like Jungian on Twitch use a GEK or even a standard rifle and consistently tear up fully prototype fits. Super tanked suits are an over reaction to the improved hit detection. I still run my 600 HP M/1 logistics but use cover and tactics to kill the brick tanks on a regular basis.
Tactics and skills can defeat them and save you ISK. |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
302
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:20:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:1. Smth i mean that they build as assault and they do it better than nomral assaults.
Well im a decent as caldari. 3comp shield extenders ,base armor and gek. Need some more for duvolle and will max whole AR tree. But i rarely win vs logis. They got 800ehp, duvolle and sometime dmg mod, cant beat them with my assault :/. They always end as 10+/2 stats. If ill want duvolle on my adv must sacrifise 1 comp extender and will have only 370-400shield. If they are carrying any amount of gear (hives/tools/res/links) they won't be able to fit that much armor or shields due to fitting requirements. |
Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
16
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:30:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Mejt0 wrote:1. Smth i mean that they build as assault and they do it better than nomral assaults.
Well im a decent as caldari. 3comp shield extenders ,base armor and gek. Need some more for duvolle and will max whole AR tree. But i rarely win vs logis. They got 800ehp, duvolle and sometime dmg mod, cant beat them with my assault :/. They always end as 10+/2 stats. If ill want duvolle on my adv must sacrifise 1 comp extender and will have only 370-400shield. If they are carrying any amount of gear (hives/tools/res/links) they won't be able to fit that much armor or shields due to fitting requirements.
Im telling about logis that do assaults job. No eq just ehp and dmg. Just changed my fit. Now have 400shield and 300armor. What skills most? Prof and sharpshooter? |
Chimeric Destiny
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:32:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:1. When CCP planing to smtb with logis? These best beat evey one in whole game. 2. How do you beat ppl from corps like Grupo de Asalto Chacal? Every 3rd match i play against them...logis 500shield 400armor and duvolle
Get better and find a squad, They really arent all that good. But then again I guess thats how low the player skill has gotten in this game. |
crispipin
The Vanguardians
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:36:00 -
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I have two questions myself. 1. When will PVE come? 2. When will Dust come to the PS4? |
Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
16
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:39:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Mejt0 wrote:1. Smth i mean that they build as assault and they do it better than nomral assaults.
Well im a decent as caldari. 3comp shield extenders ,base armor and gek. Need some more for duvolle and will max whole AR tree. But i rarely win vs logis. They got 800ehp, duvolle and sometime dmg mod, cant beat them with my assault :/. They always end as 10+/2 stats. If ill want duvolle on my adv must sacrafise 1 comp extender and will have only 370-400shield. Duvolle provides a tiny boost but its the skills behind it that make it deadly. Watch someone like Jungian on Twitch use a GEK or even a standard rifle and consistently tear up fully prototype fits. Super tanked suits are an over reaction to the improved hit detection. I still run my 600 HP M/1 logistics but use cover and tactics to kill the brick tanks on a regular basis. Tactics and skills can defeat them and save you ISK.
1. With duvolle you can get 50dmg, and tell me 1 tactic which you can you if all can see you via scanner? |
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Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
978
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:42:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote: Duvolle provides a tiny boost but its the skills behind it that make it deadly.
Reav, I've gotta call BS on this one brother. The Duvolle is deadly with or without skill. Left unchecked, it won't be long until everyone carries one (kinda like PC). Here's why:
ARs outperform every other weapon even in their optimal roles. Examples: AR > ScR at medium-long range. AR > SG at close range. AR > LR at long range.
^ And that's Uprising 1.0 thru 1.3.
Factor in 1.4's aiming "improvements" and you've got a gun on your hands that should never lose. You're right that tactics and skill matter, but carrying an AR matters more. Because if you aren't and you're enemy is, then you stand a good chance of losing.
That's not skill, Reav. That's imbalance. And the only way we'll ever be balanced is if everyone carries a Duvolle. That, or the Devs dig deep for the courage to address the elephant in the room.
- Shotty GoBang |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1187
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:46:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Reav Hannari wrote: Duvolle provides a tiny boost but its the skills behind it that make it deadly.
Reav, I've gotta call BS on this one brother. The Duvolle is deadly with or without skill. Left unchecked, it won't be long until everyone carries one (kinda like PC). Here's why: ARs outperform every other weapon even in their optimal roles. Examples: AR > ScR at medium-long range. AR > SG at close range. AR > LR at long range. ^ And that's Uprising 1.0 thru 1.3. Factor in 1.4's aiming "improvements" and you've got a gun on your hands that should never lose. Unless you screw up really, really bad. That's not skill, Reav. That's imbalance. And the only way we'll ever be balanced is if everyone carries a Duvolle.
What's the damage difference between GEK and Duvolle? It sounds like your concern is AR in general. |
8213
Grade No.2
240
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:46:00 -
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TEAM WORK |
Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
979
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:51:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:It sounds like your concern is AR in general. You betcha. Pretty sure everyone who doesn't carry an AR is concerned about them in general. |
Raiff Basdek
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
37
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:54:00 -
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crispipin wrote: 2. When will Dust come to the PS4?
The PS4 hasn't even come to the PS4 yet.
Patience.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1187
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:55:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Reav Hannari wrote: Duvolle provides a tiny boost but its the skills behind it that make it deadly.
Reav, I've gotta call BS on this one brother. The Duvolle is deadly with or without skill. Left unchecked, it won't be long until everyone carries one (kinda like PC). Here's why: ARs outperform every other weapon even in their optimal roles. Examples: AR > ScR at medium-long range. AR > SG at close range. AR > LR at long range. ^ And that's Uprising 1.0 thru 1.3. Factor in 1.4's aiming "improvements" and you've got a gun on your hands that should never lose. You're right that tactics and skill matter, but carrying an AR matters more. Because if you aren't and you're enemy is, then you stand a good chance of losing. That's not skill, Reav. That's imbalance. And the only way we'll ever be balanced is if everyone carries a Duvolle. That, or the Devs dig deep for the courage to address the elephant in the room. - Shotty GoBang
I agree that the AR is extremely effective at all meta levels and is the weapon I recommend that all rookies start out with. Get it to proficiency 3 so you have a good all around weapon. He mentions Duvolle which is expensive to buy and to fit. I don't want to see rookies gimping their defenses and their wallet to try and be competitive when a lesser version of the rifle is very close in damage potential. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1188
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:59:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:It sounds like your concern is AR in general. You betcha. Pretty sure everyone who doesn't carry an AR is concerned about them in general.
Like every proper Matari I'm waiting for the Combat Rifle to dethrone the Gallante blaster. I'm calling it OP right now and will be the first weapon I bother to train proficiency to 5. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
94
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:05:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Your corp name has "academy" in it. Shouldn't they be helping with questions like this?
Logistics suits are versatile and effective but an assault suit should beat them in a 1vs1 engagement.
If you encounter a full squad of good fighters you better have friends or find an another way to win the fight. Many tight squads hate to separate on the battlefield. Switch to a fast, low profile fit or call in a cheap LAV and go to the far end of the field to hack or pick off other members of their team. Don't engage them head on.
Is that why all the DUST matches end up fought in 1/50th of the map now? just a bunch of slow moving groups slow to advance...
its a camper's world out there... much easier for the casual's don't have to worry about trying to move and think about red things and aiming at the same time.... its just so hard!
Vet's are adapting and when 3 of them have more health then your entire squad combined.. not to mention the damage output.. well gungame and superior tactics and skill aren't gonna trump the stats to often. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1188
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:31:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Your corp name has "academy" in it. Shouldn't they be helping with questions like this?
Logistics suits are versatile and effective but an assault suit should beat them in a 1vs1 engagement.
If you encounter a full squad of good fighters you better have friends or find an another way to win the fight. Many tight squads hate to separate on the battlefield. Switch to a fast, low profile fit or call in a cheap LAV and go to the far end of the field to hack or pick off other members of their team. Don't engage them head on. Is that why all the DUST matches end up fought in 1/50th of the map now? just a bunch of slow moving groups slow to advance... its a camper's world out there... much easier for the casual's don't have to worry about trying to move and think about red things and aiming at the same time.... its just so hard! Vet's are adapting and when 3 of them have more health then your entire squad combined.. not to mention the damage output.. well gungame and superior tactics and skill aren't gonna trump the stats to often.
Sure, there a multiple ways to approach this. One is a squad of super tanked death dealers that move around slowly destroying everything in their path.
Here's my way: I'm a lone wolf. I just don't get along well enough with others to bother. Unless I'm messing around with some alternate fit I can count on being in the top 3 for my team in war points. I stay mobile. I attack from behind. My goal is to not engage these groups directly because I will go down. Most matches I average about a 4.0 KDR and pay for the suits that I lose.
This is my fit:
Minmatar Logistics M/1 (45K ISK)
GEK-38 Assault Rifle (41 HP per round with proficiency 3 vs 43 for Duvolle at prof 3) Locus Grenade
A-45 Quantum Active Scanner K-2 Nanohive R-9 Drop Uplink
2 x Complex Shield Extender 1 x Basic Shield Extender
Enhanced Cardiac Regulator Basic PG Upgrade Enhanced Armor Plates
I have 273 shield and 308 armor.
I'm at 21 million SP so my core skills are in very good shape. I have proficiency 3 in the AR, SMG and Sniper Rifle and Minmatar Logistics 5 so I can make good use of my gear.
I can run a prototype suit with Duvolle if I wanted to but I don't like the cost of it and I feel like taking more risks in my M/1 suit. In the end I do better because I'm not worrying about dying so much and losing ISK. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1188
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:43:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:With duvolle you can get 50dmg, and tell me 1 tactic which you can you if all can see you via scanner?
Since I just did the math again it's:
GEK-38 Assault Rifle: 41 HP per round with proficiency 3 Duvolle: 43 HP per round with proficiency 3
With different skills and damage mods that will be somewhat different. The Duvolle has a tiny bit higher accuracy rating too. I don't see the benefit in the higher ISK and fitting costs for 2 points difference per round. In a PC match that small difference can add up though.
As far as tactics, you can carry an active scanner as well. You see a big blob of red then you know its time to move out. I prefer skirmish and domination to ambush so I'll go over my tactics again. Let's say I'm up against a very good corp on Line Harvest and they are moving as a squad on foot. If they hold all the objectives and are currently sitting at A then my plan is to attack D. Along the way I'll try and place an uplink or two that is off the path between the objectives because I know I'll lose an average of 5 clones.
Now that D is flashing they will take the most direct route from A to D. Don't be there. I may go to C if they are slow enough but most likely I'll run around C and head to B since it is farther from D than any other point. I'll engage any randoms I find along the way because they probably don't have full squad support.
If I die 5 times I'll probably kill 15 to 20 in random encounters but I pick my battles and only engage the pro squad if I'm cornered and trying to take one or two with me as I go down.
If I'm with nothing but random blueberries and I'm placed against two very good squads I'll start off with an uplink scout and try and get some decent spawn-in points and then switch to swarm and sniper fits to at least make them hurt. At that point I know I'm going to do nothing but lose suits but I refuse to quit a match. |
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