HTFU

the war room could use some of this

People still go there? why?

i can attest to not really wanting to play part i have a ton of isk and sp . i just don't feel the love anymore

excellent ideas +1

As an option to grinding rookie SP maybe achieve skill levels in core skills based on completing tutorials. An Amarr or Gallente complete some combat room training then just give them Dropsuit Armor Upgrades 3. Complete a weapons tutorial and give them AR 3. That sort of thing. Instead of them dumping SP into random stuff the tutorials can be tailored to provide a basic infantry set of skills.

This is a good idea.

I agree with the NPE part. NPE in this game is rather ****. For starters when you try to spend your 500k SP at the beginning you actually can' reallyt, because the skillbooks are so expensive that you run out of isk before you could spend your SP wisely (If you informed youself beforhand and decided on a role). That's kinda stoopid.

And there's other stuff that I agree on.

But I disagree with the respec thing. Respec is bad. It promotes FOTM play. I'd rather they made militia gear for every item. Every suit, every weapon, every module and equipment (e.g. iirc the isn't a militia repair tool or a HMG). And then give you starter fits that are a bit more spread out and show possible roles. Like a scout shorty hacking fit, a real medic fit with a repair tool and a suit that actually has two equipment slots to show ppl that logis go that road, or have a heavy anti armor fit instead of just slapping a swarm launcher on an assault militia suit, and so on.

And tell ppl ingame that they should try different roles with these militia starter fits to find something that suits them before spending SP. And with the battle academy and hopefully the working matchmaking it should be viable to run those fits at the beginning to try out things and not get proto stomped to oblivion.

Even vets could use this. Just make a new disposable char, try out the new role you're interested in because you're now not thrown into matches where this "testing gear" would get you killed faster then you can say protobear.

An argument towards respecs is keepin the game fresh, as someone said FPS players hav a short attention span u think ppl really wanna spend 3 months to TRY a new "FUN" troll fit out?

ive been wanting to try out nova knives and scout suits u think im gonna devote 3 months to get a good fit for something that ISNT useful in what i mainly do which is Planetary Conquest? no i wont hence the game is boring to me cuz i have my MAIN PC roles set but i cant say "hmm weekend is free lemme spend some AUR and go fool around in pubs with a scout suit then if we got a PC i can spec back into my roles"

Its not coming free its coming for AUR so if ppl wanna respec they pay. This could be a big money maker for CCP cuz i kno alot of ppl that honestly just wanna try new builds out but they cant because they gotta go grind some more ******** pubs to hit cap each week for 3 months to try it. NOT FUN.

FOTM happens alot regardless of respec, especially when CCP takes months to address or tweak something so thats not a good argument against respecs

An argument towards respecs is keepin the game fresh, as someone said FPS players hav a short attention span u think ppl really wanna spend 3 months to TRY a new "FUN" troll fit out?

ive been wanting to try out nova knives and scout suits u think im gonna devote 3 months to get a good fit for something that ISNT useful in what i mainly do which is Planetary Conquest? no i wont hence the game is boring to me cuz i have my MAIN PC roles set but i cant say "hmm weekend is free lemme spend some AUR and go fool around in pubs with a scout suit then if we got a PC i can spec back into my roles"

Its not coming free its coming for AUR so if ppl wanna respec they pay. This could be a big money maker for CCP cuz i kno alot of ppl that honestly just wanna try new builds out but they cant because they gotta go grind some more ******** pubs to hit cap each week for 3 months to try it. NOT FUN.

If we're getting to this stage, I think tiercide is a more preferable option. Why?

Because it preserves that sense of New Eden, and persistent progression. Having uncapped SP up to a point, or totally uncapped SP, doesn't achieve that.

Tiercide means items are mostly unlocked at low SP costs, and the bulk of a players SP goes to specialisation which makes you more proficient at a single role on the battlefield, instead of generally better at everything like the std to adv to pro progression does now. With tiercide, specialising means your weaknesses become more easily countered, but your strengths are much more powerful.

I say uncap SP completely, I mean who cares anymore? I have 20 million SP and I don't care if someone has 100 million. I would laugh at them for wasting that much time on this game. And I def dont care about newbs catching up with me, if they want to play that much good on them, I don't want to that is for sure, the thought makes me sick

I remember when people would complain and complain about how no lifers would "race past them" and they would not be able to compete, well its been how long since release? if you cant compete now and you have been here since launch I have no idea what to say to you. I think you should try something else maybe?

This game needs fresh blood, and useful fresh blood, it does not need another 2000 500k sp players.

So you think they should lower all the SP requirements? If they do that, they'll have to constantly crank out new skills so people don't just get bored with always being a Logistics and such...

No it doesn't. The only people being able to follow the current FOTMs are those vets that already have more SP on their chars then they know what to do with. Everyone else that wants to follow the FOTM has to grind it out and then risk it being not the FOTM when they actually have ground up all the SP.

Respec for AUR would give FOTM to everyone and not just those few individuals that don't have a life besides dust.

If CCP ever makes such a thing possible I really hope it costs like 200k AUR or something.



The thing is, you don't want to try out running around with scout suits and a nova knife just to see how it is. If you'd really want to you'd make yourself an alt and waste those 500k SP in basic minmatar scout suits and knova knifes and then play around with it in the academy or thanks to matchmaking against ppl your alts weight class.

What you want to do is getting all your current SP and put it into a protobear nova knife scout fitting and go waste ppl in pub matches for the lolz because you probably have a bajillion isk from playing since closed pre-dawn-alpha or something and don't care if you waste a few mil in proto suits for a weekend.

And that dear sir is the kind of playing I, and many others, don't want to see in this game.



I'm repeating myself. If you want to try out a new playstyle and see if it fits to you, make an alt! Tell that to your friends also if you'd be so kind.

But if you want to run around in the best fitting there is for that role you want to "try" then you bloody well grind those ******* SP like the rest of us.

Don't even understand what the fuss is all about. After you decked out your PC or whatever main fitting what do you intend to do with that SP you still accumulate? It's not like you're getting interests for SP not spent.

Edith: yeah... Argo here. Don't even know why it changed my forum character...