Battlefield 3

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dLKS6Ndcs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dr9dLKS6Ndcs

Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2VHlBwFp3xM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2VHlBwFp3xM

Dust 514

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqe6MhXY6Y

*Battlefield 3 has a subtle aim assist that only kicks in when you ADS, there is no hipfire aim assist.
*Black ops 2 has both a hipfire and ADS aim assist very similar to Dust 514s except it is weaker.
*Dust 514s is a stronger version of both of these combined but the big difference between these games and Dust is that they are twitch shooters and Dust is a strafing and tracking shooter.

You forgot that CoD and Battlefield don't have mouse support... that is a very important factor that you should take into account. Also in Dust 514, Tactics, equipment and Skills tree progression, is more important than just Raw Aiming.

If these games did have mouse support do you think AA for the gamepad would be off, weaker, the same, or stronger?

Just because the mouse is "supported" doesn't mean its any good.

The guy says it clearly in the CoD video:

"It's not auto aim because it doesn't move your gun when the enemy moves, ONLY when you make some sort of input"

I agree with this. Dust just needs to make it so that it doesn't track a player when they move, and only when you're doing something. Right now Dust aim assist is automatically tracking players for you, so there is clearly something wrong with the system.

There is a reason why many console games don't have mouse support. cause if you wanted to use the KB/M, you would just play that fps on your RIG rather than on a console.

So two options,

1) have CONSOLE gamers switch to KB/M to compete with KB/M players. (I play both. but no way in hell I'm using a KB/M on a CONSOLE. Too nerdy for me)

2) AA Helps all players. Wolf said something before that does ring true. Any thing that is added in a game to benefit the noobs WILL ALSO BENEFIT THE VETS.


3) I was already going positive in a lot of my matches, before 1.4. Now? LOL

People always make it sound like as if this game needed as much speed and precision as Quake or UT when it comes to aiming and that mouse aiming in DUST exactly is like mouse aiming in any PC game... it is not.

As a PC gamer when you start playing DUST with a m/kb you feel like an absolute noob because you can not hit anything because mouse aiming is so sluggish and over compensating at times.

If these games did have mouse support do you think AA for the gamepad would be off, weaker, the same, or stronger?

There is a reason why many console games don't have mouse support. cause if you wanted to use the KB/M, you would just play that fps on your RIG rather than on a console.

Noone should be allowed to use fight sticks for fighting games.

Noone should be allowed to use steering wheel controllers for racing games.

Noone should use the PS Move, like, ever.

Because the PS3 comes with a DS3 and everyone who does not use the DS3 is a dirty cheater!

... sounds absolutely reasonable to me ...


The reason why most console shooters do not support M/KB is that the devs do not want to invest time in input methods only a fraction of their playerbase will use. CCP on the other hand has a huge PC based playerbase who use M/KB exclusively so it is worth for them including it because in doing so they can increase their playerbase.

Though, I'm fine if DS3 get aim-assist. But when aim-assist becomes so good that people who actually put effort into improving their aiming skills (DS3, M/KB, and PSMove users alike) are on the same level or even at a disadvantage in comparison to people who do not care about improving their skills and just want some instant gratification then something clearly is wrong.

And I'm sure we will see some adjustments to aim-assist in an update very soon.

Noone should be allowed to use fight sticks for fighting games.

Noone should be allowed to use steering wheel controllers for racing games.

Noone should use the PS Move, like, ever.

Because the PS3 comes with a DS3 and everyone who does not use the DS3 is a dirty cheater!

... sounds absolutely reasonable to me ...


The reason why most console shooters do not support M/KB is that the devs do not want to invest time in input methods only a fraction of their playerbase will use. CCP on the other hand has a huge PC based playerbase who use M/KB exclusively so it is worth for them including it because in doing so they can increase their playerbase.

Though, I'm fine if DS3 get aim-assist. But when aim-assist becomes so good that people who actually put effort into improving their aiming skills (DS3, M/KB, and PSMove users alike) are on the same level or even at a disadvantage in comparison to people who do not care about improving their skills and just want some instant gratification then something clearly is wrong.

And I'm sure we will see some adjustments to aim-assist in an update very soon.

You forgot that CoD and Battlefield don't have mouse support... that is a very important factor that you should take into account. Also in Dust 514, Tactics, equipment and Skills tree progression, is more important than just Raw Aiming.

Battlefield 3

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dLKS6Ndcs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dr9dLKS6Ndcs

Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2VHlBwFp3xM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2VHlBwFp3xM

Dust 514

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqe6MhXY6Y

*Battlefield 3 has a subtle aim assist that only kicks in when you ADS, there is no hipfire aim assist.
*Black ops 2 has both a hipfire and ADS aim assist very similar to Dust 514s except it is weaker.
*Dust 514s is a stronger version of both of these combined but the big difference between these games and Dust is that they are twitch shooters and Dust is a strafing and tracking shooter.

There is a reason why many console games don't have mouse support. cause if you wanted to use the KB/M, you would just play that fps on your RIG rather than on a console.

Your arguments are way to deviously.
Devs don't do it because they are lazy? Sticks on fighting games? No wheels in racing games? What the hell are you trying here? You are comparing some completely different genres!

PS: At the tournaments they using arcade sticks for fighting games and wheels for racing games as well.

And here is the thing.. No matter how many times that I'm jumping into matches, I'm not getting no more than 3 deaths.

which is the same as when their was no AA. Now I'm getting more kills than before as well.

So either I'm that good (ladies?) or damn! dudes what happened to some of you?

Great players should be getting better with AA. not worse!

I would just like to state that in HARDCORE Tournaments all players use the EXACT same HARDWARE, this is to make sure that the players DO NOT GAIN AN ADVANTAGE OVER OTHERS BUT PLAY BASED UPON THEIR SKILL and NOT DUE TO A HARDWARE ADVANTAGE.

I would like to state that this is absolute bullsh!t.

In any tournament you are allowed to use your personal input hardware.

Not sure which Tournaments you took part in but I personally did it for $$$ , so why not state that there is NO ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER in using a Mouse over a DS3 - When we all know one is DIGITAL and the Other in ANALOG...

This is the VERY reason CCP have an EXTREMLY Hard time in tring to balance these Input devices since they can NOT BE PERFECTLY BALANCED.

Not sure which Tournaments you took part in but I personally did it for $$$ , so why not state that there is NO ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER in using a Mouse over a DS3 - When we all know one is DIGITAL and the Other in ANALOG...

This is the VERY reason CCP have an EXTREMLY Hard time in tring to balance these Input devices since they can NOT BE PERFECTLY BALANCED.

My point stands. Personal hardware is allowed, unless its some ass-backward boderline-autistic "no supers, no items, Fox only, FInal Destination" type of tournaments.