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m twiggz
Pawns and Kings
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Posted - 2013.09.06 23:48:00 -
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wripple wrote:It's no surprise that there are some pretty mixed feelings erupting on this forum about aim-assist, but to avoid CCP implementing anything we'll probably end up regretting I'd like to make some suggestions on what rout should be taken to balance everything out. Aim-Assist can not be ignored any longer, many good friends of mine, who have been here since closed beta, have up and quit on the game because of this new mechanic. Instead of tearing it down, let's brainstorm some ways to make it better. (Some of these ideas are not my own)
- Make Aim-Assist only available to players with less than 3,000,000 SP or 100,000 WP
We all know that new players are deterred by a shooter where they feel insignificant and cannot get kills, this would help newcomers get a handle on the game before being thrown into the big-boy pool with some of us veterans.
- Aim-Assist only targets other players with Aim-Assist turned on
It only seems fair that anyone willing to make killing another player easy should also be the target of assisted aimers as well, but leave those who want no part of assisted aiming out of it.
- CoD Aim-Assist mechanics
Before you raise your arms in revolt, CoD Aim-Assist mechanics are actually quite balanced. When you aim down the sights the reticle instantly focuses on your target, but it does not track the target should they or you begin moving. This would be a very interesting mechanic, allowing you to get a beat on your enemy for a split second, but after that your aiming comes down to your skill.
- Track target only when not firing
I like this proposition because it allows you to stay focused on your target, but the second you put your finger on the trigger the killing part is your responsibility. Of course there would have to be a time delay between shot and lock so that semi-autos don't become OP, and scramblers should cease tracking when charging.
I implore CCP to review some innovative options, I'd hate to see aim-assist completely neutralized, but I also hate the fact that the balance between user skill and choice of weapon has become so distorted because of the Aim-Bot like feel of aim-assist. If you have any other suggestions on how you'd like CCP to address aim-assist, please comment below.
-1 for even mentioning CoDs ridiculous aim assist. You mean the aim assist that literally puts your cross hair on a target when you ADS if you're pointed in the enemies general area? Or the aim assist that points at head level instantly? Or the aim assist that definitely DOES follow targets? Even past walls? I've been an advid CoD player since the id Tech 3 engine over 10 years ago. They have always had the most intricate aim assist I've seen in an FPS ever. It's basically an arena shooter now.
Vets quitting Dust because of the addition of aim assist is basically a slap to their own face. Saying that now that the battle field is a bit more level they can't hang. I'd rather have them quit than flame about this new found equality CCP is implementing. Without some kind of help most new players won't be able to take out full proto gear players with their measly militia gear. If players were put in matches based on things like SP and or war points than perhapa aim assist wouldn't even be necessary. I for one have yet to see aim assist play a huge role in the game. If you play properly, taking cover, flanking, running with a squad and focus firing - one militia suit guy shouldn't be able to kill you before you kill them. Yes sometimes they'll get the drop on you, but they got the drop on you before the aim assist sometimes as well. I still do just fine, my squads do just fine, and we're still winning matches just fine.
I mean no disrespect to you personally, or to your friends that have left the game. I'm simply stating facts. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.07 00:06:00 -
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Pandora Mars wrote:Guys. What the hell are you talking about? CoD's Aim Assist is super strong. You are obviously used to this game WITHOUT any aim assist that you don't realize how sticky is CoD's aim assist. Dang it! This Aim Assist is better and more natural than CoD's!
CoD's aim assist and how it does not (LOL!) track the target for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaom3cdZv1c
Thank you for actually knowing what you're talking about.
+1 for intelligence. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.07 00:21:00 -
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wripple wrote:Quote:-1 for even mentioning CoDs ridiculous aim assist. You mean the aim assist that literally puts your cross hair on a target when you ADS if you're pointed in the enemies general area? Or the aim assist that points at head level instantly? Or the aim assist that definitely DOES follow targets? Even past walls? I've been an advid CoD player since the id Tech 3 engine over 10 years ago. They have always had the most intricate aim assist I've seen in an FPS ever. It's basically an arena shooter now.
Vets quitting Dust because of the addition of aim assist is basically a slap to their own face. Saying that now that the battle field is a bit more level they can't hang. I'd rather have them quit than flame about this new found equality CCP is implementing. Without some kind of help most new players won't be able to take out full proto gear players with their measly militia gear. If players were put in matches based on things like SP and or war points than perhapa aim assist wouldn't even be necessary. I for one have yet to see aim assist play a huge role in the game. If you play properly, taking cover, flanking, running with a squad and focus firing - one militia suit guy shouldn't be able to kill you before you kill them. Yes sometimes they'll get the drop on you, but they got the drop on you before the aim assist sometimes as well. I still do just fine, my squads do just fine, and we're still winning matches just fine.
I mean no disrespect to you personally, or to your friends that have left the game. I'm simply stating facts. None taken, I only suggested a method to get the gun on target but to have no assistance in staying on target. Since this game has much a much longer Time To Kill than most other FPSs I don't think it would be all that over powered to guarantee at least one bullet to sink in. Previously it was possible (Not easy of course) but still possible to kill a proto bear with militia given you outsmarted them or were just a better shot than them, but now that it requires much less skill to kill people there is a much larger gap between player skill and lifetime SP. This isn't to say that running proto gear is cheap and dirty, but it's saying that it's providing a really really soft cushion for players. If you use proto gear recklessly then you deserve to get killed, that's the way it's always been, but now it's become easier and easier to just dominate everything because you happen to have more SP.
Personally I haven't experienced the 'magnetism' or 'stickiness' people have been talking about. The only aim assistance I have received is the occasional, perhaps once or twice every 20+ matches, crosshairs moving ever so slightly to another target walking in front of the target I was ADS shooting at. Once my crosshair has moved to the interrupting target it doesn't follow him, or aim at any specific part of his body, like the 'head shot' people have been saying. I mean this in no sense of cockiness at all but maybe I already aim like how aim assist would replicate so I don't notice it as much. Most videos I have watched of this 'aim bot' just looks like someone who knows how to aim to me. I've played FPS games semi-professionally for years, none of this seems out of the ordinary to me. Personally I hope they leave aim assist just the way it is as I don't notice any difference in my amount of deaths or kills and if it makes some new-berries feel better about the game and stay to play I'm happy.
Kudos to you for giving suggestions though. But if they implement a CoD based aim assist because of your suggestion I will hunt you down and use that proper aim bot that the CoD games have to 'BOOM HEADSHOT' you every time you spawn. I promise. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.07 00:26:00 -
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J Lav wrote:All of your suggestions imply that there is something wrong with the current aim assist and that it needs to be changed. You haven't made that point, and neither has the forum's numerous topics.
What has been proven is that a lot of people don't like it. But why would someone dislike something that helps them play? Is it too easy for them? No, as is clearly being shown by more balanced scores in games.
"It doesn't take any skill anymore" sounds pretty sad when all that is to say is that now positioning and communication is more important. I have heard 10 people in one night say "Wow, when a single proto runs at us in the wide open, we're no longer saying, try to damage him before we die!"
I can tell you now, everything I've seen has suggested that my terrible aim has not been improved by this aim assist. If anything I think the hit detection has had the biggest influence on why people are rage quitting over 1.4. You can't run around in the open and expect to be a god in Dust anymore.
Absolutely agree with you. Vets are quitting because they are no longer able to stand in open areas with their proto suit and proto mods without being killed. They're no longer OP because of their skill points. Communication, tactics and skill now play a more important role in the game than how much SP you have. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.07 00:31:00 -
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Pandora Mars wrote:m twiggz wrote:
Thank you for actually knowing what you're talking about.
+1 for intelligence.
Thank you good sir. Last time I've been called scrub and noob for defending DUST's aim assist... fortunately there are still nice people on these forums (even though very rare) and that's the only reason I'm still in.
You're very welcome. The ones flaming about the aim assist are the 'scrubs' and 'noobs'. They're the immature ones complaining about a video game which was made for fun, not flaming. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.07 00:38:00 -
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wripple wrote:m twiggz wrote:wripple wrote:Quote:-1 for even mentioning CoDs ridiculous aim assist. You mean the aim assist that literally puts your cross hair on a target when you ADS if you're pointed in the enemies general area? Or the aim assist that points at head level instantly? Or the aim assist that definitely DOES follow targets? Even past walls? I've been an advid CoD player since the id Tech 3 engine over 10 years ago. They have always had the most intricate aim assist I've seen in an FPS ever. It's basically an arena shooter now.
Vets quitting Dust because of the addition of aim assist is basically a slap to their own face. Saying that now that the battle field is a bit more level they can't hang. I'd rather have them quit than flame about this new found equality CCP is implementing. Without some kind of help most new players won't be able to take out full proto gear players with their measly militia gear. If players were put in matches based on things like SP and or war points than perhapa aim assist wouldn't even be necessary. I for one have yet to see aim assist play a huge role in the game. If you play properly, taking cover, flanking, running with a squad and focus firing - one militia suit guy shouldn't be able to kill you before you kill them. Yes sometimes they'll get the drop on you, but they got the drop on you before the aim assist sometimes as well. I still do just fine, my squads do just fine, and we're still winning matches just fine.
I mean no disrespect to you personally, or to your friends that have left the game. I'm simply stating facts. None taken, I only suggested a method to get the gun on target but to have no assistance in staying on target. Since this game has much a much longer Time To Kill than most other FPSs I don't think it would be all that over powered to guarantee at least one bullet to sink in. Previously it was possible (Not easy of course) but still possible to kill a proto bear with militia given you outsmarted them or were just a better shot than them, but now that it requires much less skill to kill people there is a much larger gap between player skill and lifetime SP. This isn't to say that running proto gear is cheap and dirty, but it's saying that it's providing a really really soft cushion for players. If you use proto gear recklessly then you deserve to get killed, that's the way it's always been, but now it's become easier and easier to just dominate everything because you happen to have more SP. Personally I haven't experienced the 'magnetism' or 'stickiness' people have been talking about. The only aim assistance I have received is the occasional, perhaps once or twice every 20+ matches, crosshairs moving ever so slightly to another target walking in front of the target I was ADS shooting at. Once my crosshair has moved to the interrupting target it doesn't follow him, or aim at any specific part of his body, like the 'head shot' people have been saying. I mean this in no sense of cockiness at all but maybe I already aim like how aim assist would replicate so I don't notice it as much. Most videos I have watched of this 'aim bot' just looks like someone who knows how to aim to me. I've played FPS games semi-professionally for years, none of this seems out of the ordinary to me. Personally I hope they leave aim assist just the way it is as I don't notice any difference in my amount of deaths or kills and if it makes some new-berries feel better about the game and stay to play I'm happy. Kudos to you for giving suggestions though. But if they implement a CoD based aim assist because of your suggestion I will hunt you down and use that proper aim bot that the CoD games have to 'BOOM HEADSHOT' you every time you spawn. I promise. LOL, I knew saying the word CoD around here was a death sentence, keep in mind though that CoD's ADS lock mechanic is only dirty because that game has a short TTK, and I would never suggest to implement its target tracking features (tracking assistance is for players who shouldn't be playing an FPS) If you haven't felt the aim-assist's wrath yet then pick up a laser rifle, you can no longer miss with it when the target's more than 50m away.
Perhaps I'll try a laser rifle out tonight. I get shot by them all the time but very rarely killed by them. I'd think if it was impossible to miss with them, and if it was 'magnetized' to my clone I would be dead instantly. I'm just astounded by how many people are saying that there is a 'magnetism' or 'stickiness' making their crosshairs follow targets. I've been no life-ing Dust since Wednesday and have yet to have it happen to me. On the receiving or giving end. |
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