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zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 57	Posted - 2013.09.06 16:20:00 - [1] - Quote I just got done playing a few games today and basically this 1:30 - 2:20 http://youtu.be/6QI4wmuzjmU I've played probably 10-15 games. I am going to make a (not so) very outrageous claim, get ready. ARs are OP currently. Now before the people who cry that the most used weapon gets the most kills in the killfeed start jacking off, let me tell you a little bit about myself. 11.7m SP, 6.7k kills (I know - not a lot), 2.06 k/d, 4 year EvE player, I've been watching Dust since it was first announced, I was accepted into the closed beta, I have recommended and gotten at least 5 people to play the game via word of mouth, and probably a dozen more online. I have been playing FPSs since I was in the womb. I exclusively played the AR in this game. I don't even know how any other weapon god damn functions. I only know what the reticles look like for other weapons because I watch gameplay, and let me tell you something, the AR is OP. I have skilled into ARs, I play medium, I am a tanky vanilla AR user and that's how I roll. Let me tell you why the AR is OP. With 100% accuracy, it destroys every weapon in its optimal. The fact that they semi-fixed (I say semi because evidently shotguns are still off) hit detection is lovely. However, coupled with the aimbot aim assist, this is game breaking. I beat people who used ARs by strafing better and by having better accuracy. That is called "skill". Everyone has 300% better accuracy. This equates to 300% more DPS with the AR. You lose if you have low health. Period. I don't lose 1v1s. I stack plates and damage mods and use an AR. GG, WP. I am probably 20x more effective in 1v1s. Yay. They picked my weapon as the FOTM, great for ME, right? Wrong. I can't kill 2 people at once with them both shooting me because of their homing missile bullets railing me in the face. I used to kill 6 people at once in a STANDARD suit with a STANDARD AR because of skill. I would play by myself so I would play aggressively and assault greater numbers of individuals and kill them all because they sucked and couldn't aim worth **. Now, I cannot play aggressively because I die, even with my 800 health, INSTANTLY, if I ever move in front of the enemy team. If they use ARs, or anything that gets aim assist, you CANNOT kite, you CANNOT escape your inevitable death. I can't play aggressively. Essentially, with this RIDICULOUS aim assist, this is CoD/Halo/BF3 with no health/shield regen. I can't continue fighting more than one person if they land EVERY shot. It's just not possible. How am I supposed to do ANYTHING if I can only kill one person at a time? How many skillpoints do I need for the capability to kill TWO cherries fresh out of the Academy using MLT ARs? Cause clearly 12m sp is not enough. I have to kill one, hide, wait for the regen of armor, and run back, when normally I'd WALK through them, reload, and I can continue because 99% of the players in this game ***** suck and can't hit the broadside of a barn without an aimbot holding their hand, which is why speed tank used to be viable. By not being able to play aggressively, this leads to stalemates. This leads to Skirmish being nothing but a TDM until an MCC explodes. I cannot change the tide of battle by myself because I am a cog in a machine thats existence is dedicated to zerg rushing as a mindless horde. This update punishes skill and effort. I have spent hours playing this game. Days. Weeks. Months. To die to two MLT scrubs using ARs. I might as well have 0 sp and use the free fits. What is even the POINT of getting skillpoints if they accomplish NOTHING? 20 more armor from my plates, GREAT, but with aimbot that's only .08 more seconds of life (60s/750 rpm). I can't use any of my expensive fittings, you know why? Because they die so easily to absolute TRASH players. I can't even maintain a 2.0 k/d anymore. This game used to be HTFU, now it's, "Don't worry, typical garbage AR user, we'll make sure you don't have to even worry about aiming anymore!" I used to be able to outskill multiple people at once who were using better gear than me, but now it's just who gets the first shot, who has more HP, who does more damage, who has more people shooting with them? Skill DOES NOT factor into the equation anymore. THIS DOES NOT FIT WITH THE ECONOMICS OF THIS GAME This aimbot does not fit with the economics of the game. Why? Because for the low, low price of 0 isk you can do 1360 damage with the clip of a MLT AR. Aimbot makes this feasible. The damage the clip from an AR does used to be negligible because of poor accuracy and the general minor skill level of the average AR user. Now people feel the full effect. It is OP. It is not functioning as it should. The fact that I can use a STD AR and out DPS and KILL any player provided they are within my optimal regardless of their gear or weapon, only taking into consideration how much health they're brick fitting, is not right. Not being awarded for skill neglects artificial skill (SP) and in turn, expensive gear. Increasing accuracy increases damage dealt, increasing DPS, increasing the effectiveness of ARs, increasing stopping power, effectively making it OP. The AR does not deserve the accuracy you are spoon feeding it. Why would I upgrade gear if I can kill everyone (including proto) easily with a std assault rifle thanks to aimbot? It used to be that I used mostly STD gear because my skill put me on par with someone in proto, with their artificial skill putting them at my level (artificial skill being SP invested into health/damage mods/utilities). Now, you're out of the academy and you're at the level of someone using proto because of aimbot. The ONLY way to counter it is to stack health. It is the only way to rebalance this toppled pyramid of skill. If the problem was that new players were getting wrecked, matchmaking could fix that instead of aimbot.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 57	Posted - 2013.09.06 16:21:00 - [2] - Quote You are not supposed to have 1,000,000% accuracy with an AR. That is broken. You are not supposed to be able to nail 80% of the shots and kill people in less than a second with a MLT weapon. I can honestly say, I died less than 5 times to a MLT AR over the past almost year of playing this game. I honestly believe that I had never died to a MLT AR before 1.4, because new players suck - AND THEY SHOULD. I died at least 5 times to a MLT AR last game. The whole point of the AR is that it gets better with skill. The better you aim it, the more shots land. For example, you start out and land 25% of your shots on a target. That's 408 DPS until you run out of ammo in your MLT AR. Pretty good. That's not incredible damage, it can kill but it's not INSANE. And I assure you very few people had 50% accuracy, if that, pre-1.4 so there was always room for improvement. Now we add in the ridiculous ***** aim assist. I'd say 75% accuracy. 1224 DPS with a MLT AR. That doesn't seem so balanced - but these aren't based off of raw, true research, so lets put the DPS aside for now. Do you honestly expect skill to get that 75% any higher? Maybe to 80%? 90%??? Unlikely. Getting 20% accuracy to 35% accuracy isn't, though. This is how you show SKILL**. You are able to pick up the AR and get kills, but if you become proficient with it, you get better and eventually you are a god with it, now you can not evade even the shittiest player. People are quitting this game for a reason, CCP. This aimbot is game killing. I don't care if I sound like a fascist when I say this, you literally are either a terrible player, a mindless drone of a fanboy, or just plain stupid if you think this aimbot is okay. I am quitting this game if it does not get fixed, and hundreds of others already have uninstalled and quit. YOU are contributing to the DEATH of this game if you are so ignorant as to say, "Well... I don't really notice it!! DURRR!" THe fixed hit detection and the reduced strafing should be enough. WE DO NOT NEED AIM ASSIST, at least not to the extent that is currently being implemented. I want it back to 1.3 or at least cut down by 50-75%. In an ideal world it is removed, but I know the average player on these forums doesn't even know what game I'm talking about right now and are also are the people who could barely maintain a .75 k/d pre-1.4. Please don't listen to any idiot on this forum who defends the aimbot, CCP. I am BEGGING you, please don't let this game fail. I have spent 4 years in anticipation of this game, it can't die this soon. As for those of you who still think that the AR is just inherently OP, you're an idiot and I most likely won't reply to you if you post in this thread because I will be able to tell you are a complete waste of time. I am fairly confident this thread will die and get no support, but at least I can say I tried before I quit the game.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 57	Posted - 2013.09.06 16:28:00 - [3] - Quote To summarize, YES, the AR is OP. It is OP because of Aim Assist. It makes it too high of a damage output for too low of an SP and actual skill (being able to point and shoot a gun in an fps) requirement/investment. If any of my points are flawed or not clear, I'd be more than willing to adjust, edit, and elaborate on them. Above all, I want this game to succeed, and attacking the very core of the game, like having powerful aim assist does, goes against that.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 60	Posted - 2013.09.06 16:48:00 - [4] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I take on three people at once and kill them, open with three grenades on the ground, scrambler pistol each one to get attention and then melee the first, ar the second and the third dies to grenade. And how many times can you do that? I hope you're packing a lot of nanohives because that sure sounds like a lot of grenades, and a lot of work, in a game that's about shooting and killing. How far can you throw those grenades? Do you expect that tactic to work every time? Especially against a squad? I went 29/2 with an 'Exile'. I threw no grenades and I rarely used my secondary. I'd like to see you EVER get that kind of effectiveness out of that tactic, no matter how skilled you are. I will never go 29/2 again, not because I'm BAD now, but because it is simply not feasible anymore since skill is completely taken out of the equation.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 67	Posted - 2013.09.06 17:02:00 - [5] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: This is a team play game. The name is not COD 514 it is Dust 514. Join a TEAM and learn how to win fights as a team. Oh, a team game you say? Have you ever heard of the saying, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link? I really like that one. You know why? My team of GOOD players chokeslams your team of garbage zerg rushers. But now, our squads are completely even, even though yours is absolute trash and mine is comprised of incredibly skilled individuals. That's team play to you, though, isn't it? Just go away.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 69	Posted - 2013.09.06 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: zibathy numbertwo wrote: I exclusively played the AR in this game. I don't even know how any other weapon god damn functions. Sorry, I stopped right there. How on earth can you possibly know what's over powered if you don't even know how powerful other weapons are? For example, I used to use the AR a ton in Chromosome and now use the Scrambler Rifle and it easily outclasses the AR is several situations. That was an exaggeration. But let me explain. When I use the AR now, I feel no sense of accomplishment with it. I am very challenge oriented with videogames. I feel no challenge when I'm killing someone 1v1. The outcome is always the same. I never have someone outskill me, I simply have more health and do more damage and - wallah! I win. Essentially, I feel no challenge when using it, it is unstoppable 1v1, therefore I believe it to be OP. I would assume someone who knows nothing but a specific weapon would know the most about that specific weapon, especially its effectiveness against other weapons, no?
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 69	Posted - 2013.09.06 17:28:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Cosgar wrote: Unfortunately this game has degraded into CoD. TTK is extremely low no matter how you fit your suit and aim-assist replaces the need for skill. Gamers are so close minded. Honestly aiming is a very negligible portion of skill in a shooter, believe it or not. Whether you survive an engagement or not relies much more on your situational awareness, combat knowledge, and wit than your aiming. How do you use any of those to defeat a clump of people? Right now all you do is look at the enemy and they all aimbot onto you and blast you away. I can't draw them out, they just sit in their little huddle and never chase me. Currently, the best tactic is to blob with ARs and heavies and you win. If they all had negligible aiming, I could kill the whole lot of them and get myself a nice cold glass of lemonade while their corpses cook in the sun.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 69	Posted - 2013.09.06 17:38:00 - [8] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: zibathy numbertwo wrote: blah blah. Well, I dnt know about how he knows the AR is OP, but I do. I'm specced into at least the STD version of every light weapon, and gt the STD scram pistol and SMG with proto knives and the AR is what I can get the most kills and least deaths with now - WITH A NINJA PLAYSTYLE(!!!) It's able to do almost every job in the game! the aim assist helps make the AR OP, but just the stats alone are OP so the DMG on the AR needs toned down AND the Aim assist. I agree for the most part, but I think we should change aim assist first and then go from there. A ninja playstyle that speedtanks should absolutely be viable.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 70	Posted - 2013.09.06 17:40:00 - [9] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I'm sorry, but both you and the author of that video don't know exactly what Aim Assist is. That in the video is an awful combination of messed up hitboxes and lag latency. Aim Assist doesn not make your bullet curve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaom3cdZv1c This is how Aim Assist actually works. I know exactly how it works, scrub. Aim assist magnetized your sights onto a target and tracks it. Don't act like I don't know what I'm talking about. If you're correct, and I have no idea what I'm talking about, I guess I've been shooting blind the past 9 months, huh? I just closed my eyes and pressed r1. You caught me. Good work.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 70	Posted - 2013.09.06 17:56:00 - [10] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: zibathy numbertwo wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: I'm sorry, but both you and the author of that video don't know exactly what Aim Assist is. That in the video is an awful combination of messed up hitboxes and lag latency. Aim Assist doesn not make your bullet curve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaom3cdZv1c This is how Aim Assist actually works. I know exactly how it works, scrub. Aim assist magnetized your sights onto a target and tracks it. Don't act like I don't know what I'm talking about. If you're correct, and I have no idea what I'm talking about, I guess I've been shooting blind the past 9 months, huh? I just closed my eyes and pressed r1. You caught me. Good work. In that video you clearly see that bullets are NOT connecting. That's not aim assist, that's lag latency (HP drop even when hitscan is off) with hitbox issue, which is a currently increased problem in 1.4. This is why it did not happen in the past 9 months. On a side note, calling people scrubs don't give you extra power, it just makes you seem a complete jerk, unpolite and childish. This is a forum to discuss and as an adult and respectful person I expect you to swallow your own passive-aggressive stuff. I'm not being passive aggressive at all, I am directly being aggressive towards you. I did not cite anything from that video besides I generally agreed with it. That ONE case that he showed was indeed not aim assist. That's adorable that you think that's some kind of argument. "Yeah, well that one guy used one example and it was wrong so like yeah you're wrong dude shut up aim assist is perfect. Alright guys, I showed him, we can go home now." No. Your point was totally irrelevant and moot. Lag and latency aren't even something I discussed. Just because one case was incorrect does not mean there aren't 200,000 undocumented cases where aimbot was the issue.

zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 71	Posted - 2013.09.06 18:33:00 - [11] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I don't pretend to invalidate your post. Also I don't know why you should be aggressive at all, I don't know your age, but I believe you're not a 13 years old kid and we can discuss like civil people. You made this thread, so you opened a discussion. You must be open to the discussion yourself to express your point and listen to the other forumers, as long as they don't break the forum rules. So... I know you didn't name latency and messed up hitboxes, that's why I'm bringing them in the discussion. They are part of the problem and I wanted you to notice that watching the video carefully. I do not mean to bust your thread by saying this. I believe we must chill for one second and give time to the DEV's to understand what's happening to the AR. Yes, something might be messed up with the AR now, but believe me, if this happens in your example, it happens more and more times. It's not just that one in particular. Now, you said you are a full-time AR user, that's ok, but listen to my feedback, because I have different experiences. I use the Scrambler Rifle a lot and I can assure you that thing does NOT happen with that weapon, at least not with the semi-auto version. I haven't tried the assault version yet after the update. Also, the Tactical Assault rifle, which is still an AR, is not "suffering" from this magic-bullets effect. Only the regular AR. So maybe yes, there's something strange with the AR, but it can't be just the Aim assist, since it's not causing that with different weapons. Does this make sense to you? I want the aim assist gone. I want it removed. It is a crutch for bad players. I'm not talking about magic bullets. That is latency. I am fairly certain it cannot be helped. Hitboxes are working as they should as far as I know. Latency will always be unavoidable and frankly I find it acceptable. It may not be optimal, but it is okay. Clearly you do not know what I am arguing. I am arguing aim assist. Not the magic bullet effect. I couldn't care LESS about hitboxes or latency right now. I want my crosshairs not to stick to my target like I superglued it to him. I can't say I notice the issue you're talking about at all. What I do notice is the aim assist. Clearly you are misunderstanding me. If that's an issue for you, you should make a thread. Aim assist needs to be removed. It might be the Unreal engine interpreting the projectile of the normal AR incorrectly, seeing as the Unreal engine is awful with projectiles. It probably creates extra latency based on how many AR projectiles are currently on field so it's not as noticeable with lower RPM ARs. Regardless, that is irrelevant to aim assist. If you don't notice it or you don't agree with me, then there's nothing to discuss in this thread in particular.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 71	Posted - 2013.09.06 19:19:00 - [12] - Quote I wasn't sure exactly what you meant so I wanted you to clarify, thanks. Disabling it for myself would make me do worse, why would I handicap myself for no reason? Everyone needs to be on equal footing. And I think if the magic bullet effect is behind every shot hitting me 100% of the time, I obviously want that fixed too, but that's not even a known bug with 1.4 - the devs haven't acknowledged it as one (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=106848). So, everything you're saying is not backed up by solid evidence. And it's not making other weapons OP because of unique reasons, for example, the semi-auto Scrambler Rifle inherently has better accuracy. Semi-auto weapons reset the spread in between shots. With ARs, if you semi-auto it, it will have 100% accuracy. Other weapons naturally have higher accuracy, thus aim assist has less of an effect on them. Also they were either underpowered in the first place or naturally have a low maximum dps but give sustained damage for a longer period. Again, the AR is unique despite everyone wanting to believe it's not. In summary, I haven't seen any posts made arguing your point, and each weapon gets affected uniquely by AA. The most grossly affected weapon is the AR, even though it is a "precision" weapon, it is hardly precise at all normally. Which makes sense.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 73	Posted - 2013.09.06 19:49:00 - [13] - Quote RydogV wrote: "I used to be able to kill 6 players at the same time and now I can only kill one." Gimmie a friggin' break. Awww... someone once skilled enough to maneuver, hide, cook grenades, bob and weave, strafe, and outskill 6 people at once shouldn't be able to kill 6 garbage scrubdredditors? And here I was thinking this game rewarded skill and sp invested. I was wrong. I forgot this game was about whoever shoots first wins and you are never allowed more than one kill per life unless you're shield tanked so your shield regenerates in 3 seconds, which is just enough to engage another person and kill them. If they were good they could kill 6 people too. You think people should NEVER have the potential to do something epic like that? It's like commie land making sure everyone has the exact same potential no matter what and 0 chance to kill more than one person at a time without an orbital. Imagine how unfair it would be if someone good could mop the floor with people who are less skilled than them at the game.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 73	Posted - 2013.09.06 19:51:00 - [14] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Yes, my point is not validated, though I'm pretty sure this is not among the "1.4" known issues" because it's a combination of several factors and not actual bugs. Lag has always been there and it might be more noticeable now because of the hit detection improvement. So what if automatic weapons (or just the AR?) would get a slight Aim Assist decrease? I know it wouldn't make you happy, because you don't want aim assist at all, but... ... would that help in your opinion? Would that bring a better weapon balance across the board? Since aim assist is most likely to stay (I actually like it because the whole aiming mechanic feels smoother now, but I can't pretend everyone likes it), do you think that may be a possible solution to at least fix the exaggerated impact it has on AR? At the very least I want it removed from the AR specifically. But I still stand by my original position.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 73	Posted - 2013.09.06 20:03:00 - [15] - Quote Also, on the concept of me "changing the battle by myself", I think a player should be able to be good enough to dunk everyone without requiring a squad. A squad of capable individuals works better than a squad of parasites and leeches who need to use each other as crutches (meat shields) constantly. A squad that can help spider tank its HAV while having supporting infantry kill heavies wielding forge guns with sniper support on top of that and a logi LAV with a good driver not only has great communal strength, but powerful individuals. This is different than what a lot of corps do, which is blob together mindlessly because it works with this aimbot we currently have, with maybe a sniper stealing kills from everyone and in general accomplishing nothing. People think that this is one and the same. It is not. If a squad cannot benefit from each individual's abilities to turn the tide of battle, then they are doomed to be worthless garbage. The same holds, and held, true in EvE. Quality + quantity always beats quantity. That's why I think the, "Well just run and gun with a squad!!" points are moot. Squads are essentially the same with no real goals right now. Just tank and tank and tank and blob together. Maybe have an HAV or a sniper tag along. There is no skill required with that.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 73	Posted - 2013.09.06 20:08:00 - [16] - Quote Brilliant post, because people exist who have 0 accuracy. Really, flawless argument. It's balanced that I can't kill 2 people no matter how awful they are, no matter how many more skillpoints I have than them, and no matter how much better at the game I am? Sure sounds like that's coming from a garbage player who can't do anything without crutches and contributes little to nothing in any squad he's ever in. Have to make sure you ALWAYS win when you're being a coward and teaming up on individuals, huh? Better make sure they don't get the satisfaction of showing bad players how bad they really are by killing them despite them 3v1ing.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 78	Posted - 2013.09.06 20:44:00 - [17] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Troll or not, but following statement is true now more than ever: If DUST was a game of Rock Paper Scissors, the AR would be Colony Drop. Lol @ calling me a troll. However, right now I think AR would be more like endless zombie horde.
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zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 79	Posted - 2013.09.06 21:32:00 - [19] - Quote Jathniel wrote: zibathy numbertwo wrote: Brilliant post, because people exist who have 0 accuracy. Really, flawless argument. It's balanced that I can't kill 2 people no matter how awful they are, no matter how many more skillpoints I have than them, and no matter how much better at the game I am? Sure sounds like that's coming from a garbage player who can't do anything without crutches and contributes little to nothing in any squad he's ever in. Have to make sure you ALWAYS win when you're being a coward and teaming up on individuals, huh? Better make sure they don't get the satisfaction of showing bad players how bad they really are by killing them despite them 3v1ing. I'm killing 2 people just fine. I just don't foolishly stand in their line of fire when I do it. (As I assume you are?) Your skillpoints were meant to give you an edge, not guarantee a victory over, a lower SP player. You were never supposed to be so dependent on your gear to win. It made you develop bad habits; playing habits that you mistook for skill. If you think SP gives someone the right to talk, then don't speak; I have 17 million SP. Some people have 20 million and more, and we're all doing just fine. HTFU Huh, that must be why everyone's quitting. :) My bad, your logic is flawless.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 79	Posted - 2013.09.06 21:40:00 - [20] - Quote Clearly you guys are either too stupid or too thick skulled to understand what I'm saying. I RUN STANDARD SUITS. WITH STANDARD ARs. I COULD KILL 2 PEOPLE IN PROTO AT ONCE. Not because they were NEW PLAYERS, but because they sucked (were SVERs outside of their shiny enforcers) and I could outskill them. How do you ***** retards not get that? I should be able to grind through people based on pure skill, not just sp. I can be killed by anyone, easily, and I am killed often, easily. You know why? Because I'm running STANDARD. I kill people with skill, not with gimmicks. I know that blows your puny underdeveloped minds but it was really an amazing reality that I lived in. A reality where I could massacre people if they sucked, regardless of their gear, just like if someone was better than me with any other weapon, they could wreck me. The artificial skill SP gives only goes so far, true skill nets you more kills unless you're playing "FOTM 514". I wasn't RAILING MLT IN PROTO GEAR. God some of you are such ***** morons.

zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 84	Posted - 2013.09.07 00:31:00 - [21] - Quote Waaaah waaaah my e-penor is threatened by someone who can wreck me in an FPS when he's played FPSs since counterstrike. Why don't you pussies get over it and actually stay on topic? What a bunch of babies. Why did I even bother posting when all I get are morons trying to pretend they're better than me at the game.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 87	Posted - 2013.09.07 01:00:00 - [22] - Quote Jathniel wrote: zibathy numbertwo wrote: Waaaah waaaah my e-penor is threatened by someone who can wreck me in an FPS when he's played FPSs since counterstrike. Why don't you pussies get over it and actually stay on topic? What a bunch of babies. Why did I even bother posting when all I get are morons trying to pretend they're better than me at the game. If you're as senior of an fps player as you claim, then you shouldn't be getting so belligerent. The puny little aim assist added to Dust, shouldn't make or break a skilled player like yourself. It doesn't make or break me, I win every 1v1, it just reduces the game to a number's game. Number of people > EHP > DPS. Just move around in a blob and infantry can do nothing. It's stupid. I hate it. There's nothing intelligent about that, it's being a bumbling simpleton and just wandering aimlessly without a second though, just follow the herd like a good worthless sheep. There's less incentive to flank, which works really good btw since they die faster than they can turn - which is stupid, but not everyone realizes that flanking actually works... so long as not a single one of them look at you and shoot cause then the blob insta-kills you. Pubs shouldn't just be blobbing. I shouldn't need an HAV to break up the blob. It's just ridiculous. There's nothing fun about a series of 1v1s with 30 second breaks in between. Also, tactically, I'm useless. One kill is pointless if I can't survive with a large amount of armor left - enough to kill a second person. It's literally a TDM on every game type if we just trade 1 kill at a time. Every game that I don't run with a squad in is literally just both teams meet in one spot and hit each other forever because nobody can win because everyone can kill everyone as long as they have half a brain cell.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 87	Posted - 2013.09.07 02:10:00 - [23] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: zibathy numbertwo wrote: Waaaah waaaah my e-penor is threatened by someone who can wreck me in an FPS when he's played FPSs since counterstrike. Why don't you pussies get over it and actually stay on topic? What a bunch of babies. Why did I even bother posting when all I get are morons trying to pretend they're better than me at the game. You make a great case for taking you seriously when you randomly insult people, capitalize words, etc. - and then accuse other people of going off topic. You are the great communicator. I don't feel like communicating with people who are the equivalent of brick walls. The only argument you retards can come up with is, "Well, you must be bad!" or, "YOU are doing something wrong!" It's never refuting a single point it's only attempting to attack me and debate my skills, which are TOTALLY irrelevant. As soon as someone uses more than 3% of their mental capacity to debate me, I would love to give them a legitimate response, but so far the only people disagreeing have been mouthbreathing scrubs who need aimbot to go positive and can't handle the fact that there is someone out there (me) who actually is skilled enough to go positive without an aimbot. I made a good point, and it's a shame most of it is ignored because people feel threatened that someone thinks they should be able to wreck your entire protostomping garbage tier corp squad if they absolutely outskill all of them ten fold. You're off topic as well. Funny how that works. Edit: They also open up with, "You're 100% wrong. Here's what I think: _____" They're so dumb they don't even understand the concept of debate. I honestly have never seen a bigger, more dysfunctional and annoying forum than this one.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 141	Posted - 2013.09.08 18:05:00 - [24] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: The issue here isn't the AR. The ar is still fine. The problem is the aim assist. Just get rid of it. There was no problem in 1.3 when we didn't have it. I actually kind of liked it since you actually had to aim. CCP just turn off the aim assist, it makes this game far too easy. /thread +1
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 141	Posted - 2013.09.08 18:14:00 - [25] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: I've been taking on 2-3+. I call it selective cover. Find cover for the majority while taking down one or two. Then change positions rinse and repeat. This is a tactical shooter. You're not supposed to run in on 5 guys shoot em in the face while doing the dougi. I bet you're a KBM player. Yeah they're all bitching about dying more. There it is with the typical assumptions. I've never used KB/M. And I don't run in rambo style, I simply lose 50% of my health every engagement unless their back is turned, due to the aimbot aim assist, which means I can only kill one at a time. That is extremely resticting to my effectiveness in battle.

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