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Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
93
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Posted - 2013.09.07 08:58:00 -
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Hey arirana how did that 3rd round go? Last night I had to cut out to work didn't get to play last match. BTW gg and good job not going melee crazy on the first 2 rounds. ;) |
Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
93
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Posted - 2013.09.07 09:00:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Code Slucid wrote:What if you wanna fight your own corp??? like practice with them for PC and learn from each other mistake? ._. No one is saying you shouldn't be able to attack friendlies, only that there shouldn't be any profit in it. It should in fact cost money to lock your districts, not make you money.
BTW we are using clone pack not the district regenerate glitch so it is costing us some isk. |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles
53
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Posted - 2013.09.07 09:08:00 -
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Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:Hey arirana how did that 3rd round go? Last night I had to cut out to work didn't get to play last match. BTW gg and good job not going melee crazy on the first 2 rounds. ;) lol it went well man GGs. Some pretty intense matches playing against you guys, I had fun. Of course I won't use the melee exploit in a tourney match, I'm now aware of the rules. At first I wasn't so sure because UF apparently has two lists of rules, the one I read originally made no mention of exploiting But I was finally made aware of the second and I am refraining from using the exploit in tournament matches. Also we didn't play 6 men down on purpose if that's what you're wondering. We literally only had 10 people on that were signed up for the tourney |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
7
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Posted - 2013.09.07 20:05:00 -
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Military Advisor wrote:Atiim wrote:Hi CCP Devs I would like to bring attention to the fact that many corporations are starting to boost each other. For example, every time D3LTA FORC3 wins a pc battle, they use D3LTA ACADEMY to attack the district so that no one else can attack it. That kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed to happen.
I purpose that corps in an alliance shouldn't be allowed to attack that corporation. Period Wouldn't achieve anything, most corps do this with an alt corp that isn't in their alliance. Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:It's not profitable that is for sure. It is profitable, 21mil ISK per day risk free. They need to change the numbers so it isn't. Yes will actually the "Inver Brass" alliance is between D3LTA FORC3 & D3LTA Academy |
Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
96
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Posted - 2013.09.07 20:59:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Military Advisor wrote:Atiim wrote:Hi CCP Devs I would like to bring attention to the fact that many corporations are starting to boost each other. For example, every time D3LTA FORC3 wins a pc battle, they use D3LTA ACADEMY to attack the district so that no one else can attack it. That kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed to happen.
I purpose that corps in an alliance shouldn't be allowed to attack that corporation. Period Wouldn't achieve anything, most corps do this with an alt corp that isn't in their alliance. Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:It's not profitable that is for sure. It is profitable, 21mil ISK per day risk free. They need to change the numbers so it isn't. Yes will actually the "Inver Brass" alliance is between D3LTA FORC3 & D3LTA Academy
Please explain how it is profitable. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1037
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Posted - 2013.09.07 21:50:00 -
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Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:Please explain how it is profitable. 36 mill for a clone pack. Since you only need to attack every two days (since the district is locked after a succesfull defense) you'll have to factor in two days of clone regeneration = 30 mill on a production facility or 24 mill on a non production facility. Then add 18 mill for winning the battle (120 clones * 150.000 ISK per clone).
Final result is 30 + 18 - 36 = 12 million ISK profit (every two days), or 6 million profit on a non production facility. |
Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
96
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Posted - 2013.09.07 22:16:00 -
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Ahh we don't count the 18 million since the line members keep that. |
Military Advisor
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:13:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:Please explain how it is profitable. 36 mill for a clone pack. Since you only need to attack every two days (since the district is locked after a succesfull defense) you'll have to factor in two days of clone regeneration = 30 mill on a production facility or 24 mill on a non production facility. Then add 18 mill for winning the battle (120 clones * 150.000 ISK per clone). Final result is 30 + 18 - 36 = 12 million ISK profit (every two days), or 6 million profit on a non production facility. You are not including the payout from 50% of the attacking clones. Here is NINJAPIRATEROBOTZOMBIE'S math:
Production facility: -36,000,000 (Clone Pack) + 9,000,000 (%50 of attacking clones) + 18,000,000 (Winning isk reward) + 30,000,000 (District biomass production) = 21,000,000 isk profit.
SL/CH: -36,000,000 (Clone Pack) + 9,000,000 (%50 of attacking clones) + 18,000,000 (Winning isk reward) + 24,000,000 (District biomass production) = 15,000,000 isk profit.
Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:Ahh we don't count the 18 million since the line members keep that. With the above figures you'll see that production facilities are profitable even excluding the 18mil (which I don't think you should, but whatever). Clearly broken mechanics. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1271
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:30:00 -
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Metagaming at its finest
Working as intended |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1040
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:52:00 -
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Military Advisor wrote: You are not including the payout from 50% of the attacking clones.
You only get 50% of whatever clones the attacker brings beyond the 150 (and didn't lose in combat). Since clone packs only have 120 clones the defender will never get any clones added to their district. |
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norttheantiv
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
19
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:27:00 -
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The corp has 4 active members and 40 alts from when they spammed our pub channels to try gain new members. Amazing what you can find out with google.
On locking districts I have no issue with making a loss for locking them. I would be fine with that. Making a profit seems silly on the face of it. This will be fixed anyway. |
Military Advisor
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:45:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Military Advisor wrote: You are not including the payout from 50% of the attacking clones.
You only get 50% of whatever clones the attacker brings beyond the 150 (and didn't lose in combat). Since clone packs only have 120 clones the defender will never get any clones added to their district. Is this a new thing or was NINJA wrong when he wrote this 2 weeks ago:
Quote:District with Production facility fully stocked and generating clones at a rate of 100 per day (300+100) produces 15 million isk from biomass sales per day. Corporation A (Teamplayers) deposits 36 million into Corporation B (Like a Boss.) wallet. Corporation B purchases a clone pack and initiates an attack on Corporation A district. Corporation B no shows the attack and 50% of the clones are sent to the defending district. Corporation A district fully stocked converts the clones to biomass for a profit of 9 million isk. Corporation A sends mercGÇÖs into battle to afk and receive isk for winning the match for a total of 18 million isk. Additionally, Corporation A district is locked for a period of 2 days allowing for 2 reinforcements for an isk profit of 30 million from clone sales.
Here is the math: -36,000,000 (Clone Pack) + 9,000,000 (%50 of attacking clones) + 18,000,000 (Winning isk reward) + 30,000,000 (District biomass production) = 21,000,000 isk profit. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:56:00 -
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norttheantiv wrote:The corp has 4 active members and 40 alts from when they spammed our pub channels to try gain new members. Amazing what you can find out with google.
On locking districts I have no issue with making a loss for locking them. I would be fine with that. Making a profit seems silly on the face of it. This will be fixed anyway. The corp has 32 active members get your facts straight. Also you've still yet to explain the imaginary reason as to why ppl we're being kicked. |
norttheantiv
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
19
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Posted - 2013.09.10 16:20:00 -
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I would go into the reasons you left, but considering you, polish, reprising and ruunt are the only ones who even had enough sp to run proto, you are so unimportant that I don't feel the need.on another point, I understand people wanting to leave DF or DA for their own reasons. But try to join a proper corp when you do.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:59:00 -
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norttheantiv wrote:I would go into the reasons you left, but considering you, polish, reprising and ruunt are the only ones who even had enough sp to run proto, you are so unimportant that I don't feel the need.on another point, I understand people wanting to leave DF or DA for their own reasons. But try to join a proper corp when you do.
That's one reson why everyone's leaving. They're expendable. D3LTA doesn't care about thier members in the least bit. And they make sure that thier folks at the academy feel that they suck. (Even though some of them don't)
Your best mercs are leaving. You should join them too.
PS Tell Superman I said hi. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1042
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Posted - 2013.09.10 18:01:00 -
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Military Advisor wrote:Is this a new thing or was NINJA wrong when he wrote this 2 weeks ago: He was wrong, which I think I also said in that thread.
Edit: Well another thread where he posted the same calculations. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:29:00 -
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Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:Atiim wrote:Military Advisor wrote:Atiim wrote:Hi CCP Devs I would like to bring attention to the fact that many corporations are starting to boost each other. For example, every time D3LTA FORC3 wins a pc battle, they use D3LTA ACADEMY to attack the district so that no one else can attack it. That kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed to happen.
I purpose that corps in an alliance shouldn't be allowed to attack that corporation. Period Wouldn't achieve anything, most corps do this with an alt corp that isn't in their alliance. Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:It's not profitable that is for sure. It is profitable, 21mil ISK per day risk free. They need to change the numbers so it isn't. Yes will actually the "Inver Brass" alliance is between D3LTA FORC3 & D3LTA Academy Please explain how it is profitable. I don't think I need to as many other smart people on this thread already have.
Also thanks everyone for explaining for me. I thought I was gonna have to teach this fool some common sense. |
Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
96
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
I don't think I need to as many other smart people on this thread already have.
Also thanks everyone for explaining for me. I thought I was gonna have to teach this fool some common sense.
LOL aww but you never explained it yourself, then pop in 3 days later and act like your going to school someone. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
8
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:02:00 -
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Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:Atiim wrote:
I don't think I need to as many other smart people on this thread already have.
Also thanks everyone for explaining for me. I thought I was gonna have to teach this fool some common sense.
LOL aww but you never explained it yourself, then pop in 3 days later and act like your going to school someone. I wasn't really paying much attention to you. . I didn't even notice you replied again untill I got home. But by then a bunch of people had already explained it and saved me the trouble of doing so.
You've been proven wrong already. So why don't you and north go back home now.
PS Tell SUP3R I said to take a vacation. He probably needs one |
norttheantiv
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
19
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:34:00 -
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Who is north? Man, DF didn't want you. That's okay, but move on. You just make me feel sorry for you with all the QQ. |
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Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
97
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Posted - 2013.09.11 16:07:00 -
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norttheantiv wrote:Who is north? Man, DF didn't want you. That's okay, but move on. You just make me feel sorry for you with all the QQ.
Aww don't run him off. I am enjoying the QQ.
Anyway there is only one way cpp can fix it to where it can not be exploited but last time it was brought up everyone shot it down. Even if you made it -50mil it's just isk and that is easy to get. Every suggestion to resolve the problem so far can be exploited. No matter how difficult it is someone will go through the trouble.
Just like the creating new character and biomass farming. I have heard people doing this on 10 accounts with 3 characters on each. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
8
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:39:00 -
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norttheantiv wrote:Who is north? Man, DF didn't want you. That's okay, but move on. You just make me feel sorry for you with all the QQ. Who QQing? Ur the one who started this by talking **** about my corp. DF is a thing of the past for me. |
norttheantiv
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
20
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:56:00 -
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Lol, and yet you can't get over it, you keep posting here.Clearly a bad break up for you. I love that I'm getting to you. Your hate mail makes the longer wait times in 1.4 bearable. <3 living like larry! They make dust better. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
10
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Posted - 2013.09.12 13:15:00 -
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norttheantiv wrote:Lol, and yet you can't get over it, you keep posting here.Clearly a bad break up for you. I love that I'm getting to you. Your hate mail makes the longer wait times in 1.4 bearable. <3 living like larry! They make dust better. LOL how sweet. U think I care about you enough to the point where you could irritate me. You are an adult right? Have you forgotten that this was a video game?
Anyways how is it a bad break-up If I'm the one who left in the first place, on my own free will? Are you aware of how relationships work? Dude I really couldn't care about you or whoever that other DF member is reading this thread. The only reason why I even replied to you is because you were trash talking my corp and spreading lies about my friends.
Also quit following me on forum posts. It's pathetic. You acting like an ex-boyfriend who can't get over someone so they go to their house and stalk them. It seems to me that Ur the one QQing and then talking **** about our corp to make yourself feel better.
And by the way, your starting to get off topic. This thread is about corps and alliances boosting each other. Not your opinions of the people who left DF. Please either contribute to the thread (like your friend), or leave.
PS: I'm calling you north. I don't care what your full username is. |
gargantuise aaron
Sanguine Knights
146
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:47:00 -
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My solution ccp monitor pc and any one who abuses the locking mechanic has their corp disbanded and ceo character deleted |
gargantuise aaron
Sanguine Knights
146
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:49:00 -
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Or atleast remove all benefits of a locked district |
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