DUST Search - The hit detection / Aim Assist confusion

First Prophet wrote:

Chances Ghost wrote:

First Prophet wrote:

Let's be honest here, if it really was hit detection, the proto pubstompers of past wouldn't be the ones complaining. They'd just be killing quicker. Since it's the former higher tier players that are complaining, must mean it has to be something that gives more bonus to lower tier players. Since hit detection affected everyone equally, it can't be that. What else is there? Aim assist.

proto stompers were the ones that danced rather than head for cover.

now they cant strafe tank people.... now they die, now they QQ

the hit detection fix eliminated the whole "im moving so hit detection wont work properly LOL" thing

now they are actually getting hit, and they dont like it

The stomped nubs were also not in cover. Part of why they got stomped. The nubs were also free to not stand still and dance if they wanted to.
The proto stompers were proto stompers because they used proto. They had the extra health, DPS, and occasionally aim to win. With better hit detection the balance should stay the same. Except it's not.

Now I don't mean any disrespect or anything. I'm just trying to point out that the claims of all this new QQ being solely on better hit detection, is about as unfounded and unsupported as the claim of the new aim assist being an aimbot.

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Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 657	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:00:00 - [1] - Quote what you guys are calling an AIMBOT is really just the hit detection being fixed. seriously guys your all pissed at aim assist but its not what your even mad at. calm down at actually measure it. countless people have tryed to explain and yet you guys wont give up and just scream AIMBOT AIMBOT!!!! stop please
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 679	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:05:00 - [2] - Quote PLEASE!!!!!
Miokai Zahou Film Actors Guilds 32	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:10:00 - [3] - Quote Funny how everyone was raging about hit detection being bad and when CCP fixes it the REAL scrubs come out and cry about it being OP/Aimbot/IWIN button etc... when they die by the dozens in their proto stomping gear...
I-Can't Feel My-Legs Valor Company Incorporated 21	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:13:00 - [4] - Quote Other way around. What you think is fixed hit detection is actually just aimbot.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 172	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:14:00 - [5] - Quote What if I told you it was neither? What if the real reason is because more weapons than just the shotguns were suffering from hits not registering and now they do?
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 479	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:17:00 - [6] - Quote What are you talking about not bad, have you not seen the videos people are posting where dudes are getting melted with lazers that are like five feet from the targets?
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 657	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:21:00 - [7] - Quote OZAROW wrote: What are you talking about not bad, have you not seen the videos people are posting where dudes are getting melted with lazers that are like five feet from the targets? i fail to see the relevancy of that
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 480	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:27:00 - [8] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: OZAROW wrote: What are you talking about not bad, have you not seen the videos people are posting where dudes are getting melted with lazers that are like five feet from the targets? i fail to see the relevancy of that Hahaha, pardon
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 659	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:30:00 - [9] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: OZAROW wrote: What are you talking about not bad, have you not seen the videos people are posting where dudes are getting melted with lazers that are like five feet from the targets? i fail to see the relevancy of that Hahaha, pardon please explain its relevancy to hit detection.... ive seen the vids and i fail to see the connection. seems to me its just a complaint about lazer damage
m twiggz Pawns and Kings The Superpowers 4	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:56:00 - [10] - Quote Seems to me that most of the people that are complaining are the proto-stompers of the past. My apologies that you can't just stand in the middle of an open area and not get killed anymore. Not to mention this isn't real life, friends. There is such a thing as latency in video games. What you see on your screen at one moment could be totally different on another persons screen with a different connection than you. Perhaps you should google how the Internet works. I enjoy hit detection actually working in this game now. A mere week ago you could point blank headshot someone standing still and do no damage. This forces people to use tactics and play the game how it should be played.

First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 935	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:10:00 - [11] - Quote Let's be honest here, if it really was hit detection, the proto pubstompers of past wouldn't be the ones complaining. They'd just be killing quicker. Since it's the former higher tier players that are complaining, must mean it has to be something that gives more bonus to lower tier players. Since hit detection affected everyone equally, it can't be that. What else is there? Aim assist.
Flux Raeder WarRavens League of Infamy 207	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:17:00 - [12] - Quote I-Can't Feel My-Legs wrote: Other way around. What you think is fixed hit detection is actually just aimbot. Funny thing that, what with my shots landing so much more and my AA being OFF.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 660	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:26:00 - [13] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Let's be honest here, if it really was hit detection, the proto pubstompers of past wouldn't be the ones complaining. They'd just be killing quicker. Since it's the former higher tier players that are complaining, must mean it has to be something that gives more bonus to lower tier players. Since hit detection affected everyone equally, it can't be that. What else is there? Aim assist. proto stompers were the ones that danced rather than head for cover. now they cant strafe tank people.... now they die, now they QQ the hit detection fix eliminated the whole "im moving so hit detection wont work properly LOL" thing now they are actually getting hit, and they dont like it
m twiggz Pawns and Kings The Superpowers 6	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:28:00 - [14] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Let's be honest here, if it really was hit detection, the proto pubstompers of past wouldn't be the ones complaining. They'd just be killing quicker. Since it's the former higher tier players that are complaining, must mean it has to be something that gives more bonus to lower tier players. Since hit detection affected everyone equally, it can't be that. What else is there? Aim assist. Obviously aim assist plays a huge role in it also. Instead of complaining they should just use it too. Then they would be "OMG IM SO AWESOME AGAIN!" Right? Not using aim assist and complaining about it is like not using contraception and complaining about having a child. If its there use it. Duh.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 566	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:32:00 - [15] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Not using aim assist and complaining about it is like not using contraception and complaining about having a child. If its there use it. Duh. best quote ever.
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 935	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:37:00 - [16] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: First Prophet wrote: Let's be honest here, if it really was hit detection, the proto pubstompers of past wouldn't be the ones complaining. They'd just be killing quicker. Since it's the former higher tier players that are complaining, must mean it has to be something that gives more bonus to lower tier players. Since hit detection affected everyone equally, it can't be that. What else is there? Aim assist. proto stompers were the ones that danced rather than head for cover. now they cant strafe tank people.... now they die, now they QQ the hit detection fix eliminated the whole "im moving so hit detection wont work properly LOL" thing now they are actually getting hit, and they dont like it The stomped nubs were also not in cover. Part of why they got stomped. The nubs were also free to not stand still and dance if they wanted to. The proto stompers were proto stompers because they used proto. They had the extra health, DPS, and occasionally aim to win. With better hit detection the balance should stay the same. Except it's not. Now I don't mean any disrespect or anything. I'm just trying to point out that the claims of all this new QQ being solely on better hit detection, is about as unfounded and unsupported as the claim of the new aim assist being an aimbot.
Treejey OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:40:00 - [17] - Quote I don't think its fixed. What I am assuming is that there is something like an algorithm which is designed to reconcile client-server latency for multiple clients... such as when an enemy's position on your client appears slightly different from where they see themselves positioned on their own client. The algorithm then, upon retrospect, attempts to piece what happened back together, and assign the appropriate damage. What I believe is happening though, is that the reconciliation process is providing far too much 'benefit of the doubt' than it should. I do however agree that the issue is with hit detection and not the aim assist. I can honestly admit that I am registering hits and kills on enemies which I do not believe I should be getting. Rather than being on target with my shots and not receiving credit for them, I am now receiving credit for shots I missed.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 566	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:42:00 - [18] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: First Prophet wrote: Let's be honest here, if it really was hit detection, the proto pubstompers of past wouldn't be the ones complaining. They'd just be killing quicker. Since it's the former higher tier players that are complaining, must mean it has to be something that gives more bonus to lower tier players. Since hit detection affected everyone equally, it can't be that. What else is there? Aim assist. proto stompers were the ones that danced rather than head for cover. now they cant strafe tank people.... now they die, now they QQ the hit detection fix eliminated the whole "im moving so hit detection wont work properly LOL" thing now they are actually getting hit, and they dont like it The stomped nubs were also not in cover. Part of why they got stomped. The nubs were also free to not stand still and dance if they wanted to. The proto stompers were proto stompers because they used proto. They had the extra health, DPS, and occasionally aim to win. With better hit detection the balance should stay the same. Except it's not. Now I don't mean any disrespect or anything. I'm just trying to point out that the claims of all this new QQ being solely on better hit detection, is about as unfounded and unsupported as the claim of the new aim assist being an aimbot. I disagree. I die many more now, but it's fine to me, I mean, I used to Rambo every uplink moonwalking and dancing. Now I have to actually pay attention. Moreover, if there's no aim assist, kb/m users will win, no matter what happens or what weapon you're using. I would be fine if there won't be both any kb/m support at all and any kind of aim assist in the future.
Annabandak Mercery Knights Of Ender 28	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:43:00 - [19] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: what you guys are calling an AIMBOT is really just the hit detection being fixed. seriously guys your all pissed at aim assist but its not what your even mad at. calm down at actually measure it. countless people have tryed to explain and yet you guys wont give up and just scream AIMBOT AIMBOT!!!! stop please yep +1
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 663	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:49:00 - [20] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: First Prophet wrote: Let's be honest here, if it really was hit detection, the proto pubstompers of past wouldn't be the ones complaining. They'd just be killing quicker. Since it's the former higher tier players that are complaining, must mean it has to be something that gives more bonus to lower tier players. Since hit detection affected everyone equally, it can't be that. What else is there? Aim assist. proto stompers were the ones that danced rather than head for cover. now they cant strafe tank people.... now they die, now they QQ the hit detection fix eliminated the whole "im moving so hit detection wont work properly LOL" thing now they are actually getting hit, and they dont like it The stomped nubs were also not in cover. Part of why they got stomped. The nubs were also free to not stand still and dance if they wanted to. The proto stompers were proto stompers because they used proto. They had the extra health, DPS, and occasionally aim to win. With better hit detection the balance should stay the same. Except it's not. Now I don't mean any disrespect or anything. I'm just trying to point out that the claims of all this new QQ being solely on better hit detection, is about as unfounded and unsupported as the claim of the new aim assist being an aimbot. sooooo you think some mysterious 3rd aspect was changed? right now that youve answered no to that.... aim assist isnt some aimbot, but hit detection is wekk known to be trouble on all fronts, traditionally high rate of fire weapons havnt noticed it as much because alot of their shots were landing. now that most, if not all of their shots are landing people are dieing alot quicker, people are putting out alot more dps and aiming is SLIGHTLY easyer but nowere near as easy as "aim in this general direction and auto headshot" nonsence thats going around. all aim assist does is modify the speed at wich you scroll, it doesnt actually move your crosshairs. if you take a look at it from a neutral perspecive and actually use some common sence then its obvious. if you remember from the old super speed scout nonsence, the more you moved about the worse hit detection got for those who were shooting at you, that effected dancing assaults/logis as well just nowhere near as noticably. now all those people who danced when they faught at frusterated because they are actually taking damage. from their perspecive they feel like people shooting at them should be missing more oftin, when really thats how much they should of been getting hit all along when hit detection was crap. so i understand exactly why if feels like its an aimbot, it just wasnt really aparent to them before how much of the dodging they were doing before 1.4 was due to hit detection rather then their fancy footwork.



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