DUST Search - people who are skilled at dust do not enjoy the game anymore

Flux Raeder wrote:

Exmaple Core wrote:

Because of aimbot, one day has passed and the vets already hate dust. We dont want to play this game when everyone is just as good as us because of an aim assist, that is not earned. Our millions of SP ahead of other players is now nonfactored because it only takes an AR to kill you now that they have near perfect accuracy, the delema only amplified with reduced strafe speed. The only way to play now is to stack EHP and outlast the enemy as you both kill each other almost instantly. Then after you win that gunfight, you loose your second because your almost dead.

some ppl say this game is now better because "it is forcing ppl to use tactics and cover"
You dont need aimbot to use tactics and cover, i dont understand how those in favor of aimbot can say this is a valid argument. This is an FPS, it should be assumed we are already using tactics and cover, expescially the better players of the game. No, we would not call ourselfs skilled if we did not use our brains and surroundings. The only difference with aimbot is its easier to shoot above or around the cover your hiding behind.

Dust has always been a game that rewards the skilled and intelligent players and those who have the most SP. Why should we set everyone on the same playing feild, setting everyone on par with everyone? Now, you do not need skill to play the game and it is okay if you are not as skilled as a player as the guy your shooting, the aim ''assist" will kill him as quickly as he kills you.

Yes, im saying someone with 4 mill SP and 2 months of playing time should continue to get blown away by someone with 22 mill SP and 10 months of gungame experience. The person with more experience has better aim, uses cover more efficiently, and has better gear than the noob but they come out almost even on gunfights. Is that balanced? It was before, when you, youknow. needed skill to win???

Tell me this: How are you even differentiating between aim assist and better hitboxes? And don't say "cause noobs are killing me" because we are used to a glitches system and have been having to compensate up until now, noobs are going to be better now that they are not fighting against broken mechanics to be half decent.
I only used the assist for two games last night but the difference was hardly noticeable.

Edit: and I response to your statement about "tactics and cover": the one thing I noticed about the aim assist was that above all it made strafing very stupid, when people say it makes you use tactics and cover they mean that strafing in circles while you unload into someone is just not possible anymore. It is a bs move that would not stand a chance on any battleground but was necessary in this game because of wobbly hitboxes and the large amount of shield+armour.
Honestly, strafing is a skill I am happy to trade back to using tactical cover points.


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CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 245	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:10:00 - [1] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Because of aimbot, one day has passed and the vets already hate dust. We dont want to play this game when everyone is just as good as us because of an aim assist, that is not earned. Our millions of SP ahead of other players is now nonfactored because it only takes an AR to kill you now that they have near perfect accuracy, the delema only amplified with reduced strafe speed. The only way to play now is to stack EHP and outlast the enemy as you both kill each other almost instantly. Then after you win that gunfight, you loose your second because your almost dead. some ppl say this game is now better because "it is forcing ppl to use tactics and cover" You dont need aimbot to use tactics and cover, i dont understand how those in favor of aimbot can say this is a valid argument. This is an FPS, it should be assumed we are already using tactics and cover, expescially the better players of the game. No, we would not call ourselfs skilled if we did not use our brains and surroundings. The only difference with aimbot is its easier to shoot above or around the cover your hiding behind. Dust has always been a game that rewards the skilled and intelligent players and those who have the most SP. Why should we set everyone on the same playing feild, setting everyone on par with everyone? Now, you do not need skill to play the game and it is okay if you are not as skilled as a player as the guy your shooting, the aim ''assist" will kill him as quickly as he kills you. Yes, im saying someone with 4 mill SP and 2 months of playing time should continue to get blown away by someone with 22 mill SP and 10 months of gungame experience. The person with more experience has better aim, uses cover more efficiently, and has better gear than the noob but they come out almost even on gunfights. Is that balanced? It was before, when you, youknow. needed skill to win??? Tell me this: How are you even differentiating between aim assist and better hitboxes? And don't say "cause noobs are killing me" because we are used to a glitches system and have been having to compensate up until now, noobs are going to be better now that they are not fighting against broken mechanics to be half decent. I only used the assist for two games last night but the difference was hardly noticeable. Edit: and I response to your statement about "tactics and cover": the one thing I noticed about the aim assist was that above all it made strafing very stupid, when people say it makes you use tactics and cover they mean that strafing in circles while you unload into someone is just not possible anymore. It is a bs move that would not stand a chance on any battleground but was necessary in this game because of wobbly hitboxes and the large amount of shield+armour. Honestly, strafing is a skill I am happy to trade back to using tactical cover points. With this aim assist I can literally see the bullets stick to me over distance. They group up ridiculously tightly and dont spread, even with extended fire. This makes a scouts life almost impossible, that compounded with the shotgun problems...... what do you expect people to say? On top of that the changes to strafing speed seem to leave me feeling gimped, especially while sprinting in a scout suit. I cant change direction or strafe as easy at all.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 266	Posted - 2013.09.06 12:19:00 - [2] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: If the aim assist (not aim bot) removed the skill from Dust, as the thread title suggests, then wouldn't all the players perform equally as well as each other? Why is it then that even in a group of total blue berries I see people outperforming others? I'm sorry pub stompers, there's more to skill than just aiming. "Children of Amarr, Beloved of God Do not fear the dark heavens The stars are a sign unto you To bring the Light to dark places And so many wondrous lights we carry Illuminating peoples and worlds Know that our empire is holy Set apart for an immortal destiny Stand true, Children of Amarr Let the rays of our enlightenment Shine ever before the Almighty." Empress Jamyl Sarum I Haha Amarr Victor brother! While I agree with you somewhat, for me as a scout I expect to engage solo as generally that's always been my role. Don't get me wrong, I love team work but that's for when I am assault logi and heavy suits. (At least the fighting teamwork aspect) The biggest problem I find is back before 1.4, I could be scouting through an area and yes there would be occasional red dots that would spot me. Now this was never too much of a huge problem as I was able to escape and or prepare myself for a fight by getting into cover. The problem now is those same red dots only have to blink at me and I am dead lol. 100m distance militia riflemen scope me out and kill me in a few hits.