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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:03:00 -
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Viktor Zokas wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Well think about it, the ones whom post to a message board are the hardcore fans, and also probably a bit geeky.
If one were to guess based on this, I would say that the forum posters do not even come close to representing the actual KB/M and controller split. We most likely have WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more people using KB/M on the forums than in the actual game. So of course the loss of the i-Win button (KB/M superiority) will cause a lot of QQing. That 'I-win' button called skill? I agree, this game shouldn't support a player base that has skill. Let's keep bottle feeding the controller kids with aim bots. Superior control method =/= skill
Bethhy; Can you actually back up what you are claiming about the leaderboards? Oh and since when does topping the leaderboards = skill? K/D ratio is a meaningless stat.
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velos ALKARI
DUST University Ivy League
21
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:14:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:If you think this new aim assist is somehow making people "Good" at the game, maybe you just suck?
I say this because im getting kills I also shouldn't be. I clearly see my crosshair off to the left of a target and im getting square hits...I wont complain about etting kills , but this is a bit too far.skill is being driven out in favour of pleasing the masses. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
723
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:25:00 -
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aim assist and hit detection fix is awesome... made CQC almost impossible so I imagine some tweaking may be needed but over all the game feels tight now.
the best part about it is all the sad pandas, they are worth the poorly implemented matchmaking. |
Tatsumi022
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
6
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:25:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:If you think this new aim assist is somehow making people "Good" at the game, maybe you just suck?
i just think that this new aim assist is just so good and getting a constant headshot is not a problem anymore. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
723
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:28:00 -
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velos ALKARI wrote:Alina Heart wrote:If you think this new aim assist is somehow making people "Good" at the game, maybe you just suck? I say this because im getting kills I also shouldn't be. I clearly see my crosshair off to the left of a target and im getting square hits...I wont complain about etting kills , but this is a bit too far.skill is being driven out in favour of pleasing the masses.
this game needs to do some mass pleasing, and really its not that bad, everyone has the same advantage so its still a level field.
the only people really upset are the ones who thought they were gods and have now been humbled... |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
73
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:29:00 -
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Their angry because they may not be owning as much as they were. It's a futuristic game so it might be expected for guns to have aim assist. For people that don't like aim assist, learn to adapt. That's what they tell everyone else that complains about things they disagree with.
Dust might actually be fun again since 1.4. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6096
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:30:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:If you think this new aim assist is somehow making people "Good" at the game, maybe you just suck? Players that are actually "good" would still be better than bad players since they both have access to the same tools.
So better players that are suddenly doing worse are most likely players that weren't all that better to begin with. |
Malcom Xo
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:34:00 -
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velos ALKARI wrote:Alina Heart wrote:If you think this new aim assist is somehow making people "Good" at the game, maybe you just suck? I say this because im getting kills I also shouldn't be. I clearly see my crosshair off to the left of a target and im getting square hits...I wont complain about etting kills , but this is a bit too far.skill is being driven out in favour of pleasing the masses.
Well when I play on my mouse I strafe left and right faster more smooth and the mouse makes it so easy I might as well have a aimbot what's your point? |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
482
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:35:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:velos ALKARI wrote:Alina Heart wrote:If you think this new aim assist is somehow making people "Good" at the game, maybe you just suck? I say this because im getting kills I also shouldn't be. I clearly see my crosshair off to the left of a target and im getting square hits...I wont complain about etting kills , but this is a bit too far.skill is being driven out in favour of pleasing the masses. this game needs to do some mass pleasing, and really its not that bad, everyone has the same advantage so its still a level field. the only people really upset are the ones who thought they were gods and have now been humbled...
"everyone" equals everyone with some kind of non-explosive, non-precision gun. Try again. |
pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
209
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:09:00 -
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Liking that a squad of newberries > a handful of vets in proto. In 1.3 that would have been a stomp, but now teamplay >>> gungame. Lots of valid observations: maybe it's newbs w/ aimbot, maybe it's vets missing the utility of tacnet.
On a personal note I will say that sprinting across your field of view at 10m/s and having your retice adhere to my frame has not been pleasant these last two days. |
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Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
368
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:39:00 -
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KB/M users mad cuz bad.
Expecially Exmaple Core. |
Annabandak Mercery
Knights Of Ender
37
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:56:00 -
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ISuperstar wrote:I find it funny how the player base, mainly the vets and KBM users are complaining about the new Aim assist. I quit this game just a little over 2 months ago, you know, back when you nerds were complaining about Aiming being BROKEN. AnywayI get an email about a Dust update and download the patch yadayadayada, Play a few games and the game is feeling better than it ever did in terms of aiming and UI. How can you 2-faced monkey's ever hope to see this game succeed when you're always hopping on to the other side of the fence when changes you asked for get implemented. And just lol @ all the KBM users calling people scrubs for using aim assist. Hey E-nerd welcome to the 21st century, aim assist has been on consoles ever since 2000. And for someone who's been using an obvious and well known advantage referred to as Keyboard & Mouse, to look down upon controller players who use Aim assist. You guys are the true scrubs. Keep up the good work CCP, it may be a little too late to save your game but job well done.
+1 , well said |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1651
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Posted - 2013.09.05 09:06:00 -
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having a computer aim for you doesnt even the playing field. you still suck. the vet just happened to lose to a half player half computer cyborg |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1107
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Posted - 2013.09.05 09:17:00 -
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Hit ditection fix was needed... the whole gun game WORKS better now and this is good...
However the balance has been shifted and moved around again... AR's/SR's are now a lot more powerful, and this has put a strain of other weapon users and play styles. Everyone is dropping faster... especially Scouts who die faster than you can blink, and heavies that are taking more dmg and generally feel thinner.
Im still getting used to 1.4... but im starting to think some extra changes are going to be needed... |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
800
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:12:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:ISuperstar wrote:I find it funny how the player base, mainly the vets and KBM users are complaining about the new Aim assist. I quit this game just a little over 2 months ago, you know, back when you nerds were complaining about Aiming being BROKEN. AnywayI get an email about a Dust update and download the patch yadayadayada, Play a few games and the game is feeling better than it ever did in terms of aiming and UI. How can you 2-faced monkey's ever hope to see this game succeed when you're always hopping on to the other side of the fence when changes you asked for get implemented. And just lol @ all the KBM users calling people scrubs for using aim assist. Hey E-nerd welcome to the 21st century, aim assist has been on consoles ever since 2000. And for someone who's been using an obvious and well known advantage referred to as Keyboard & Mouse, to look down upon controller players who use Aim assist. You guys are the true scrubs. Keep up the good work CCP, it may be a little too late to save your game but job well done. It's not perfectly even, though. It's not as bad as some people are yelling about, but it's not balanced either. While watching Jungian stream, who many of you probably know is a pretty good player, Cat Merc and I watched him engage a Caldari player at about 20-25 meters. Now, they started shooting while not moving very much. Jungian was landing hits, but this guy had just come around the corner and was missing to either side of him. Now, Jungian was in a Minmatar Logistics suit, and began to strafe quickly to the right. BOOM The moment he started moving rapidly to the side, his opponent's AR turned into a laser and hit him with every round, dropping him almost instantly. To be brief, it would appear from that example and many others both observed personally and relayed to me that the "adherence" aspect of the aim assist is heavily dependent on the movement speed of both players. This became even more evident in that same stream when as opposed to Jungian hitting that guy standing still with most of his shots in the example I stated, when a shotgun Scout came sprinting at him later, he dropped him in less than a second. This helps to illustrate that what we appear to have is a situation where the movement of a target, even if it is directly toward you, is somehow causing the "stickiness" of the reticle to compound and result in the aim assist seeming far more potent than it should be. This would also explain why the observations cited so far on these forums vary so widely from person to person. Someone who is new to the game, or not used to strafe-shooters would feel the aim assist to be fine, while someone who has been playing this game over a long period can now see that the tactics they used to use are being excessively impacted by this new system. Overall, aim assist needs another look. NOT to be left alone. NOT to be removed entirely. But to have the designers take another look into the mechanics and make sure it's working like it should. +1 Mobius.
This is something we have to keep our attention on. Ultimately, peeps are going to need to record forensic videos and post them for the community to wrap their heads around what's going on.
At this early stage of the game there's soooo much hyperbolic qq going on that i'm basically discounting everything posted by the anti-AA faction.
There's so many personal agendas tied up in this issue that irrefutable evidence will be required if we're going to make any progress on it. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
416
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:31:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:I absolutely love the new aiming and aim-assist, makes the game fun again.
Hope CCP doesn't change a thing, as aiming feels very good right now. Well, that's because you're a assaulter, whom likes to FOTM chase and is a complete scrub lol kbm user right here. Go troll another post. Btw I hate the ar and only use lr md or swarm but you trolling is sad. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
416
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:33:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:having a computer aim for you doesnt even the playing field. you still suck. the vet just happened to lose to a half player half computer cyborg Good. Cyborgs are better than tryhards. Deal with it. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1211
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:36:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:I absolutely love the new aiming and aim-assist, makes the game fun again.
Hope CCP doesn't change a thing, as aiming feels very good right now. Well, that's because you're a assaulter, whom likes to FOTM chase and is a complete scrub
Hey, don't make me kick you!
And don't confuse FOTM with FOTD (flavor of the decade), the AR makes the FOTM look like a kids playtoy! |
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