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lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:23:00 - [1] - Quote Not much on the armor yet, so I thought I'd start a thread. I think it SUCKS, because as a sniper I don't get the benefit of aim assist (that's OK), but when I tried to kill a heavy today I gave him 4 charged shots and he was still going at me. Oh well... Guess I'll have to HTFU, because: - I'm a squishy scout that hardly benefits from armor and shield increase - Sniping is less effective now - With an advanced scout suit and dampening proficiency, you'll still get scanned - The accuracy and reach of assault rifles is now INSANE! Anyone else has feedback fo the devs regarding the armor update?
Yan Darn DUST University Ivy League 57	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:30:00 - [2] - Quote A lot of this patch has been an unintended buff to a dedicated active scanning BPO scout such as myself. I'll tell a secret, the new armour plates means I can confidently run two basic reactive plates in my lows, providing a great balance between repair and buffer which gives me enough CPU to run a complex shi... Oh, nearly said too much. Although my Caldari assault BPO (which i'll never touch...) can do the same thing now I guess... So yay for dual/shield tankers?
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 70	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote The Armor Plate blueprint was given a major buff (85hp) - so now some of my free suits are super tanky!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1597	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:51:00 - [4] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Not much on the armor yet, so I thought I'd start a thread. I think it SUCKS, because as a sniper I don't get the benefit of aim assist (that's OK), but when I tried to kill a heavy today I gave him 4 charged shots and he was still going at me. Oh well... Guess I'll have to HTFU, because: - I'm a squishy scout that hardly benefits from armor and shield increase - Sniping is less effective now - With an advanced scout suit and dampening proficiency, you'll still get scanned - The accuracy and reach of assault rifles is now INSANE! Anyone else has feedback fo the devs regarding the armor update? So you would gimp half the racial suits just to please yourself....
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 568	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:01:00 - [5] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Guess I'll have to HTFU, because: - I'm a squishy scout that hardly benefits from armor and shield increase An Advanced Armor plate now doubles your base armor count while leaving your signature size alone and reducing your run speed by a measly 3%. How is that hardly benefitting?
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1598	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:04:00 - [6] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Not much on the armor yet, so I thought I'd start a thread. I think it SUCKS, because as a sniper I don't get the benefit of aim assist (that's OK), but when I tried to kill a heavy today I gave him 4 charged shots and he was still going at me. Oh well... Guess I'll have to HTFU, because: - I'm a squishy scout that hardly benefits from armor and shield increase - Sniping is less effective now - With an advanced scout suit and dampening proficiency, you'll still get scanned - The accuracy and reach of assault rifles is now INSANE! Anyone else has feedback fo the devs regarding the armor update? What, your rifle can't do 2000 HP of damage? You mean a suit designed to soak damage that has been broken for about a year and is now fixed is finally doing what it was designed to do? As someone who also snipes, I have no sympathy for you. Pick better targets, or hit him in his head.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 2977	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:09:00 - [7] - Quote I too think it is an amazing idea to gimp a style of tanking because otherwise 'They're harder to snipe'.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: So you would gimp half the racial suits just to please yourself.... No, like I said: I have to HTFU! Adapt or die! (and die again, and again, and...)
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:15:00 - [9] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: An Advanced Armor plate now doubles your base armor count while leaving your signature size alone and reducing your run speed by a measly 3%. Doubling the base armor of my proto suit gives me 70 extra. And I go 3% slower. Big Cartoon Network Cheer! I'm sure it's great for some people, just not for me. But with every change there'll be people that like it and people that don't. Overall I'm happy with this patch, and I'll make something else work for me. No need to whine!
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:19:00 - [10] - Quote Outside of surviving sniper shots, the added armor buff has meant very little in light of the lethality of aim-assist.

lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:21:00 - [11] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: What, your rifle can't do 2000 HP of damage? You mean a suit designed to soak damage that has been broken for about a year and is now fixed is finally doing what it was designed to do? A charge rifle + 20% extra damage is a weapon that is supposed to do a lot of damage. 4 charged shots down most players by far. I was just surprised that he survived. Surviving this much damage isn't "what its designed to do". Perhaps it was the buff, I missed a shot, or it didn't register. Oh well. Open a new can of clones, and see whether I need to change my strategies.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1599	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:22:00 - [12] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: True Adamance wrote: So you would gimp half the racial suits just to please yourself.... No, like I said: I have to HTFU! Adapt or die! (and die again, and again, and...) Oh well good on you then. +1
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:24:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I too think it is an amazing idea to gimp a style of tanking because otherwise 'They're harder to snipe'. I didn't suggest to gimp a style of tanking. I'll just adapt my style of sniping, or evade targets that apparently have too much eHP for me to down by myself in a few charged shots.
CPL Bloodstone Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder. 149	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:27:00 - [14] - Quote I dunno, as. Heavy fg with about 1100 ehp 600 was armor I git hit pretty damn hard in pc.last night against a sniper from northwind alliance. He was using a thales but not used to one hitting that hard. Thales just used to annoy me because I would have to move. That guy made me run for cover.... so I don't know... either your not doing s ok mething right or I was against a very nasty sniper which I o7. Just 2 isk worth of thoughts
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 568	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:33:00 - [15] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Doubling the base armor of my proto suit gives me 70 extra. And I go 3% slower. Big Cartoon Network Cheer! Ah, scratch that then. It more than doubles your base armor. +110HP isn't something to sneeze at. Just sayin' try it before you knock it! I tanked my Scout setup (I'm a dedicated fattie, but I go slumming on occasion) and I'm happy. Quote: I'm sure it's great for some people, just not for me. But with every change there'll be people that like it and people that don't. Overall I'm happy with this patch, and I'll make something else work for me. No need to whine! Well, +1 for maturity, sir.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3629	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:55:00 - [16] - Quote So I had a match sniping today, and was doing so with a Starter Fit. Because I'm a bad sniper and usually let my girlfriend do that job. I managed to 2-shot a Heavy suit that lit up as "ADV" on my HUD. One question for you, OP: Were you aiming for the head? Because I was.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1609	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:15:00 - [17] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: What, your rifle can't do 2000 HP of damage? You mean a suit designed to soak damage that has been broken for about a year and is now fixed is finally doing what it was designed to do? A charge rifle + 20% extra damage is a weapon that is supposed to do a lot of damage. 4 charged shots down most players by far. I was just surprised that he survived. Surviving this much damage isn't "what its designed to do". Perhaps it was the buff, I missed a shot, or it didn't register. Oh well. Open a new can of clones, and see whether I need to change my strategies. If memory serves, the Charge does what, 300HP of damage? +20% makes this about 360 per shot, times 4 shots you get 1440. Hmm... Math still seems broke - whey didn't you kill someone with 2000HP?
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 47	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:32:00 - [18] - Quote I like it. Im a medium frame and had found it too easy to drop heavies before they found cover. Now it seems they are filling thier role as an objective pusher and enemy suppression. The armor buff has been a long time coming, and much deserved. Now the heavies in my squad can hold a position while i move to flank. Win win.
Spycrab Potato Hold-Your-Fire 364	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:34:00 - [19] - Quote My Gallente Logi loves the new plates.
Saxbrin Shain The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 12	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:58:00 - [20] - Quote While I certainly appreciate that my HP has increased, the other changes (aim assist, hit detection) mean I'm dying faster than I was in 1.3 regardless. Shield tanks still seem to be the better option, too. Some of the shield tankers have just decided to supplement their massive shield buffer and quick recharge with an equally large armor buffer. Since I'm trying to play an Amarr and follow Amarr doctrine, I believe Armor could still use a bit of work to be on par with Shields.

loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2013.09.04 23:03:00 - [21] - Quote I feel ya... I have never seen a game that takes 4 sniper shots to down someone, ever.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 61	Posted - 2013.09.04 23:32:00 - [22] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: One question for you, OP: Were you aiming for the head? Because I was. No, not at first. He was too far for me to see the head clearly. And I thought I could get a few shots in and would get him for sure. Besides, it's hard to see the head, because heavies have no neck I went for the head later when he was waddling at me, but I got him in the chest due to the terrain. Ah well, he got me good. Fair and square! :)
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 61	Posted - 2013.09.04 23:38:00 - [23] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: If memory serves, the Charge does what, 300HP of damage? +20% makes this about 360 per shot, times 4 shots you get 1440. Hmm... Math still seems broke - whey didn't you kill someone with 2000HP? That's 321.9 x 115 (proficiency) x 120 (mods) x 4 (shots) = 1,777 damage. Or rather, a bit less, because of stacking penalties. Still, how often can a sniper get 4 hits in? And how often does anyone in a FPS survive 4 hits from the most powerful sniper rifle in the game? Perhaps my foe was an exceptionally durable sentinel. I'll never know!
General Erick Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.09.04 23:41:00 - [24] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Not much on the armor yet, so I thought I'd start a thread. I think it SUCKS, because as a sniper I don't get the benefit of aim assist (that's OK), but when I tried to kill a heavy today I gave him 4 charged shots and he was still going at me. Oh well... Guess I'll have to HTFU, because: - I'm a squishy scout that hardly benefits from armor and shield increase - Sniping is less effective now - With an advanced scout suit and dampening proficiency, you'll still get scanned - The accuracy and reach of assault rifles is now INSANE! Anyone else has feedback fo the devs regarding the armor update? Aim for the head.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 61	Posted - 2013.09.05 01:57:00 - [25] - Quote General Erick wrote: Aim for the head. I always ty to land a headshot on my first shot. But depending on the distance and scope, you often can't see the head clearly. If there's no cover and I can get a few shots in, I'll go for it anyway. Especially if some heavy is nailing my buddies.
General Erick Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 84	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:00:00 - [26] - Quote Just keep chuggin'. I've had to do my share of improvise, adapt, overcome in my time. Your time will come.
Chris F2112 High-Damage 421	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:14:00 - [27] - Quote Saxbrin Shain wrote: While I certainly appreciate that my HP has increased, the other changes (aim assist, hit detection) mean I'm dying faster than I was in 1.3 regardless. Shield tanks still seem to be the better option, too. Some of the shield tankers have just decided to supplement their massive shield buffer and quick recharge with an equally large armor buffer. Since I'm trying to play an Amarr and follow Amarr doctrine, I believe Armor could still use a bit of work to be on par with Shields. My shields have felt like butter in all the matches I've been in. I've been finding it hard to even close on enemies at all since almost every long range weapon gets bonuses against shields. Not to mention that the complex armor mods now give double the hp of a complex shield mod. It makes armor tanking ideal for longer range combat out of the effective range of grenades.
gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 131	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:20:00 - [28] - Quote I switched from mlt to std caldari and added a plate and rep Haven't really felt a difference in k/d I have found my self in a lot more 30 hp or less battles where the survivor only has 30 armor left


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