DUST Search - CCP - What inclined you to provide such strong aim assist?

Bethhy wrote:

Seed Dren wrote:

It may sound like I'm trolling but I'm trying to get a point across. You guys make it sound like CCP gave us this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xRCZFNSZA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The aim assist doesn't help with minor corrections to fine point aiming... it literally is toggled aim bot at this point. You press LDS while generally looking in the direction of your target.. BOOM BOOM headshot headshot.... no aiming no tracking the target with skill the computer does it for you.

If thats how you want to play a first person shooter... where a computer aims for you and it makes you think everyone else had poor aim... i'm confused to think you people aren't a bunch of people who want an "easy" mode for DUST 514

If your goal is to have people running around toggling a near perfect toggled aim button and playing a whos aimbot has more hitpoints game.... then this is going to become a game everyone plays for an hour and moves on.

the gun game in Chromosome made people play this game until downtime reminded them that they needed sleep. This patch has even made even the defenders of CCP's aimbot rage quit atleast once.

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Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 452	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:32:00 - [1] - Quote I'm just curious why the aim assist is as strong as it is now. Any decent FPS gamer who could have tested it for you would have told you it is too strong. It's a complete slap in the face to vets who take the time to learn aiming mechanics. So please, enlighten us on why aim assist is as absurd as it is now? Were people really having that hard a time aiming? I honestly never heard any complaints about actual aiming in this game after you guys tuned the values. Hit detection was another story, and thankfully those issues were resolved for the most part. But you guys seemed to take it one step further and decided to make it ridiculously easy for everyone to have perfect aim that now this game has turned into a battle of stats. Speed and acrobatics have been completely thrown out the window because the aim assist has all-but-perfect tracking on moving targets.
Seed Dren SyNergy Gaming EoN. 43	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:44:00 - [2] - Quote To counter that... I actually use aim assist and do not feel as strong to me. I did pretty well without it before this patch too.
Nitrobeacon Freek Coalition 56	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:44:00 - [3] - Quote This is going to be reported as a spam soon, 80% of these threads came from you. To be honest I don't mind it, as long as it shuts the PS3 players up. It might take a while to get used to how the mouse actually works properly now but we'll get used to it, taking aim assist off is just going to make the PS3 community moan how we have a big advantage blah blah ect, and therefore they might even kick our kind.
Seed Dren SyNergy Gaming EoN. 43	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote @ nitrobeacon respect and a like for you m/kb user. Sir
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1550	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:47:00 - [5] - Quote I notice a difference between using it and not, now, but to be honest it is not a game breaking difference for me, and have turned it off. My numbers haven't been hurt much by doing this, and I'm still doing better than last build.
Seed Dren SyNergy Gaming EoN. 47	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:51:00 - [6] - Quote I think people might be blaming aim assist for hit detection improvements. (Don't quote me on this)
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1206	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:51:00 - [7] - Quote I'm now now positive its just a alt posting this BS aim assist is fine and as everybody has access to it it makes no difference if your getting killed its becausee your a bad player
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6070	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:53:00 - [8] - Quote Just because you were doing alright when the game was broken doesn't mean it didn't need to be fixed. That said, this also doesn't mean that the game is "fixed". It means we need to play it out, make actually constructive threads and posts on the issues, and help CCP gather up non emotional data so they can make adjustments from there. I only feel bad for scouts, anyone else who was speed tanking was doing it because hit detection and aim assist were broken, and were looking for artificial advantages to boost their performance. (or for the lulz, in which case, nothing is stopping you)
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:53:00 - [9] - Quote At first I thought the aim assist must've been terribly active considering I was dying to militia variants yesterday a lot more than normal. I've not come the the conclusion that improved hit detection coupled with the aim assist is probably why my survivability has suffered. I only come to this conclusion because aim assist doesn't seem to be assisting me very much. So I can only guess that its not as prevelant as I initially thought it was. On the other hand, plenty of other people have said they don't feel like they have to aim much anymore. Countered by those like me that say they don't notice as much, so I'll take the wait and see approach for now.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 243	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:57:00 - [10] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: It's a complete slap in the face to vets who take the time to learn aiming mechanics. What are you talking about? Vet learning aiming mechanics? You mean point the reticle at the target and press fire? I didn't realize that took learning to accomplish. Also, references to "speed and acrobatics" likely refers to strafing and bunnyhopping. Just say it for what it is and stop trying to embellish it. Would you have rathered them nerf jumping altogether? Perhaps make it take all of your stamina bar? CCP could have made you easier to hit you or nerfed your ability to jump, which, of course, would have had more ripple effects with clearing obstacles, etc. They chose the former. Don't forget: you have the same aim assistance that everyone else does, so you're on a level playing field, unless you were a MD spammer, which I think is equally likely, especially given the references to "acrobatics."

Jammeh McJam Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 21	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:57:00 - [11] - Quote When you hardly have to aim to kill in an fps, that scares me. It goes from a skill based game to a 'who can tank themselves with the most hitpoints' game
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6075	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:00:00 - [12] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: When you hardly have to aim to kill in an fps, that scares me. It goes from a skill based game to a 'who can tank themselves with the most hitpoints' game It all comes out in the wash if everyone has it. L2TacticallyEngage Me thinks it's time to trade in those blue suede shoes....
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1087	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:02:00 - [13] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm now now positive its just a alt posting this BS aim assist is fine and as everybody has access to it it makes no difference if your getting killed its becausee your a bad player Everyone who uses certain weapons, when I see aim assist for weapons like the MD, Forgeguns, and Nova Knives I'll believe it's for balance but until then I call bs.
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 172	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:03:00 - [14] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: When you hardly have to aim to kill in an fps, that scares me. It goes from a skill based game to a 'who can tank themselves with the most hitpoints' game Dont care how many hp you got mate wall(Cover) takes bullets better than you.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 236	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:04:00 - [15] - Quote With all the complaints about supposedly godlike aim assist, I was expecting to die horribly and often the moment I walked into Skirmish as a scout (on Manus Peak, no less). I didn't, despite sprinting through multiple firefights and actually fighting a couple others. Far from conclusive, of course, but from the complaints I expected to be one little scout-shaped plasma burn, or maybe a shadow permanently seared onto a wall. Is there, perhaps, a wee bit of hyperbole at work, here?
Seed Dren SyNergy Gaming EoN. 50	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:06:00 - [16] - Quote It may sound like I'm trolling but I'm trying to get a point across. You guys make it sound like CCP gave us this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xRCZFNSZA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Jade Hasegawa Intrepidus XI EoN. 88	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:07:00 - [17] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm now now positive its just a alt posting this BS aim assist is fine and as everybody has access to it it makes no difference if your getting killed its becausee your a bad player Really factual assesment there well done, now go sit in the corner! When I can be dropped from halfway acorss the map by a MLT AR that chews through my armour and sheild like ti was paper its a problem, they fuxed the hit detection, the aim asssit was not needed
Akdhar Saif CybinSect 50	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:17:00 - [18] - Quote I don't play a lot of FPS on console but isn't aim assist a standard feature nowadays? I know it may be a bit strong and it needs some tweaking but a lot of people who try dust may be turned off by the lack of aim assist.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 57	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:20:00 - [19] - Quote Seed Dren wrote: It may sound like I'm trolling but I'm trying to get a point across. You guys make it sound like CCP gave us this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xRCZFNSZA&feature=youtube_gdata_player The aim assist doesn't help with minor corrections to fine point aiming... it literally is toggled aim bot at this point. You press LDS while generally looking in the direction of your target.. BOOM BOOM headshot headshot.... no aiming no tracking the target with skill the computer does it for you. If thats how you want to play a first person shooter... where a computer aims for you and it makes you think everyone else had poor aim... i'm confused to think you people aren't a bunch of people who want an "easy" mode for DUST 514 If your goal is to have people running around toggling a near perfect toggled aim button and playing a whos aimbot has more hitpoints game.... then this is going to become a game everyone plays for an hour and moves on. the gun game in Chromosome made people play this game until downtime reminded them that they needed sleep. This patch has even made even the defenders of CCP's aimbot rage quit atleast once.
Jinx Rollin Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:44:00 - [20] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Seed Dren wrote: It may sound like I'm trolling but I'm trying to get a point across. You guys make it sound like CCP gave us this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xRCZFNSZA&feature=youtube_gdata_player The aim assist doesn't help with minor corrections to fine point aiming... it literally is toggled aim bot at this point. You press LDS while generally looking in the direction of your target.. BOOM BOOM headshot headshot.... no aiming no tracking the target with skill the computer does it for you. If thats how you want to play a first person shooter... where a computer aims for you and it makes you think everyone else had poor aim... i'm confused to think you people aren't a bunch of people who want an "easy" mode for DUST 514 If your goal is to have people running around toggling a near perfect toggled aim button and playing a whos aimbot has more hitpoints game.... then this is going to become a game everyone plays for an hour and moves on. the gun game in Chromosome made people play this game until downtime reminded them that they needed sleep. This patch has even made even the defenders of CCP's aimbot rage quit atleast once. LDS? What's LDS??? Do you mean ADS? Anyway.... If you do... Aim assist is only there for hipfire, when you are ADS YOU are aiming. I haven't even noticed the aim assist in the few games I've played - unlike the 'drag' in Chromosome.

Jinx Rollin Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:49:00 - [21] - Quote Jade Hasegawa wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm now now positive its just a alt posting this BS aim assist is fine and as everybody has access to it it makes no difference if your getting killed its becausee your a bad player Really factual assesment there well done, now go sit in the corner! When I can be dropped from halfway across the map by a MLT AR that chews through my armour and sheild like it was paper its a problem, they fixed the hit detection, the aim asssit was not needed You have to blame it on something eh? Can't be that u got beat fairly. Another EON whiner.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2976	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:13:00 - [22] - Quote Seed Dren wrote: I think people might be blaming aim assist for hit detection improvements. (Don't quote me on this) I don't think so. I'm having a difficult time with aim assist off - it even seems worse, though that could be linked to my low framerate.
Striker Battalion Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:14:00 - [23] - Quote Quote: Unfortunately for you I actually use KB/M as my main input. - Prior post from OP I find KB/M players complaining about strong aim assist rather funny. Meta perhaps. However, yes the OP is correct that the strong aim assist does significantly impact speed tanking. In my opinion this is all a result of CCP's decision to try to have both input methods as standard options and as a result has touched the proverbial "third rail" of gaming (metaphor for any issue so controversial that it is "charged" and "untouchable") that most developers have avoided for good reason. Finding balance between the two will be difficult and perhaps impossible without gimping one side or the other. Where Dust went wrong?


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