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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3043
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:32:00 -
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... that most of the aim assist QQ threads are being made by pubstomping corps?
Granted, I agree that it's a bit much, but god forbid someone takes your proto suit away from you.
Bathe me in your flames and butthurt. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:37:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:... that most of the aim assist QQ threads are being made by pubstomping corps?
Granted, I agree that it's a bit much, but god forbid someone takes your proto suit away from you.
Bathe me in your flames and butthurt.
I dont think its aim assist thats the problem, itnits the fixed hit detection, the actual yeild is now much closer to the max dps, this is the problem, for a game with tanking types and all these numbers, you have survive more 1.3 secs of sustained fire!! |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:42:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:... that most of the aim assist QQ threads are being made by pubstomping corps?
Granted, I agree that it's a bit much, but god forbid someone takes your proto suit away from you.
Bathe me in your flames and butthurt. I dont think its aim assist thats the problem, itnits the fixed hit detection, the actual yeild is now much closer to the max dps, this is the problem, for a game with tanking types and all these numbers, you have survive more 1.3 secs of sustained fire!!
I think you just hit the nail on the head. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1511
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:44:00 -
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You have aimbots in your hands finally!!! no!! dont let it go!!! your finally good!!!! |
Malcom Xo
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:45:00 -
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I like the aim assist. Adds more competition. Feels more like Chrome now too to be honest. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1191
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:47:00 -
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Yeh it's HD that got fixed everyone has aim assist (I turned it off my self) so that would not unbalanced the field it's the fact those that can aim are really dishing out the damage. The only people I see qqing are the ones who went that great due to their lack of. Movementd I. Fire fightd |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
542
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:50:00 -
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They need to HTFU, if someone is not that good in shooting now have the opportunity to have fun and get some kills. If they are that good why don't they aim at the head? Problem solved |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:50:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:... that most of the aim assist QQ threads are being made by pubstomping corps?
Granted, I agree that it's a bit much, but god forbid someone takes your proto suit away from you.
Bathe me in your flames and butthurt. I dont think its aim assist thats the problem, itnits the fixed hit detection, the actual yeild is now much closer to the max dps, this is the problem, for a game with tanking types and all these numbers, you have survive more 1.3 secs of sustained fire!! I think you just hit the nail on the head.
Well think about, a miltia ar now how effectively the stats on the board, 1 mag will drop a heavy, Aim assist wouldnt be a problem if weapons had there old power, I think its time to tweak every high ROF wrapon!! |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:50:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:You have aimbots in your hands finally!!! no!! dont let it go!!! your finally good!!!!
Case in point about the QQ'ers
I know you are entering a game where there is some parity between people with mouse and keyboards and controllers and it is scary. Your i-Win button has recieved a serious blow and you are afraid that you just might not be as good as you thought you were. Its ok, there are many that are afraid like you, you are not alone. |
Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
21
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:59:00 -
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I lost yesterday 7 prototype suit and seven standard suit. I only got 4 kills in one battle ... does not matter at all ... I ran the logistic and dropping drop links, and hives. we won and I had a lot of fun. the game was very tight. deployment took only 30-60 seconds. I have a 11M SP. can't wait to login today to use lazoors |
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens
433
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:00:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:You have aimbots in your hands finally!!! no!! dont let it go!!! your finally good!!!! Case in point about the QQ'ers I know you are entering a game where there is some parity between people with mouse and keyboards and controllers and it is scary. Your i-Win button has recieved a serious blow and you are afraid that you just might not be as good as you thought you were. Its ok, there are many that are afraid like you, you are not alone. Case in point about strawmen arguments.
Aim assists are good and help level the playing field between KBM and DS3. Aim bots are bad. Learn the difference. It's ok, there are many people that assume they know everything about another player, like you, and base their arguments of it, you are not alone. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1511
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:05:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:You have aimbots in your hands finally!!! no!! dont let it go!!! your finally good!!!! Case in point about the QQ'ers I know you are entering a game where there is some parity between people with mouse and keyboards and controllers and it is scary. Your i-Win button has recieved a serious blow and you are afraid that you just might not be as good as you thought you were. Its ok, there are many that are afraid like you, you are not alone.
ugh......alright, for the nth time.....
Lurchasaurus wrote:Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix.
HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:06:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:You have aimbots in your hands finally!!! no!! dont let it go!!! your finally good!!!! Case in point about the QQ'ers I know you are entering a game where there is some parity between people with mouse and keyboards and controllers and it is scary. Your i-Win button has recieved a serious blow and you are afraid that you just might not be as good as you thought you were. Its ok, there are many that are afraid like you, you are not alone. Case in point about strawmen arguments. Aim assists are good and help level the playing field between KBM and DS3. Aim bots are bad. Learn the difference. It's ok, there are many people that assume they know everything about another player, like you, and base their arguments of it, you are not alone.
Its ok, denial is the first step in the process, and now you seem to be on the anger step. Next will come... bargaining i think?
Anyway, what is there difference between an aim bot and an aim assist? How would you classify an aim assists?
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens
433
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:08:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:You have aimbots in your hands finally!!! no!! dont let it go!!! your finally good!!!! Case in point about the QQ'ers I know you are entering a game where there is some parity between people with mouse and keyboards and controllers and it is scary. Your i-Win button has recieved a serious blow and you are afraid that you just might not be as good as you thought you were. Its ok, there are many that are afraid like you, you are not alone. Case in point about strawmen arguments. Aim assists are good and help level the playing field between KBM and DS3. Aim bots are bad. Learn the difference. It's ok, there are many people that assume they know everything about another player, like you, and base their arguments of it, you are not alone. Its ok, denial is the first step in the process, and now you seem to be on the anger step. Next will come... bargaining i think? Anyway, what is there difference between an aim bot and an aim assist? How would you classify an aim assists? Yet more ad hominem attacks because you have no real argument.
/golfclap |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1511
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:10:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:You have aimbots in your hands finally!!! no!! dont let it go!!! your finally good!!!! Case in point about the QQ'ers I know you are entering a game where there is some parity between people with mouse and keyboards and controllers and it is scary. Your i-Win button has recieved a serious blow and you are afraid that you just might not be as good as you thought you were. Its ok, there are many that are afraid like you, you are not alone. Case in point about strawmen arguments. Aim assists are good and help level the playing field between KBM and DS3. Aim bots are bad. Learn the difference. It's ok, there are many people that assume they know everything about another player, like you, and base their arguments of it, you are not alone. Its ok, denial is the first step in the process, and now you seem to be on the anger step. Next will come... bargaining i think? Anyway, what is there difference between an aim bot and an aim assist? How would you classify an aim assists?
an aim assist is a largely unseen, helpful mechanic that aids gamepad users in fine aiming due to the flaws in the precision of a joystick.
Here is a humorous take on what an aimbot is. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:15:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:You have aimbots in your hands finally!!! no!! dont let it go!!! your finally good!!!! Case in point about the QQ'ers I know you are entering a game where there is some parity between people with mouse and keyboards and controllers and it is scary. Your i-Win button has recieved a serious blow and you are afraid that you just might not be as good as you thought you were. Its ok, there are many that are afraid like you, you are not alone. Case in point about strawmen arguments. Aim assists are good and help level the playing field between KBM and DS3. Aim bots are bad. Learn the difference. It's ok, there are many people that assume they know everything about another player, like you, and base their arguments of it, you are not alone. Its ok, denial is the first step in the process, and now you seem to be on the anger step. Next will come... bargaining i think? Anyway, what is there difference between an aim bot and an aim assist? How would you classify an aim assists? an aim assist is a largely unseen, helpful mechanic that aids gamepad users in fine aiming due to the flaws in the precision of a joystick. Here is a humorous take on what an aimbot is. Dude shut up please, aim assist may or maynot be a problem thats for ccp to decide, the real problem with it is hit detection, increases in hit detection mean hitscan weapons are now two powerful!! Please just stop bickering about aim assist! , |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4705
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:19:00 -
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Everybody is so worked up about the aim-assist that they forgot hit detection got fixed as well. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1511
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:21:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Dude shut up please, aim assist may or maynot be a problem thats for ccp to decide, the real problem with it is hit detection, increases in hit detection mean hitscan weapons are now two powerful!! Please just stop bickering about aim assist! ,
no you shut up! |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1511
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:22:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Everybody is so worked up about the aim-assist that they forgot hit detection got fixed as well.
yes, it got fixed. my reticule tracking mercs as they cross my screen while the controller is on the floor isnt hit detection tho. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:22:00 -
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So the very first sentence in wikipedia says aim-bots are classified as aim-assist when implemented by the games creators. Now as far as I can tell, you have to be pretty damn close to being on target to get any assitance in this game, so I would guess this is an aim assists. |
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:23:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Everybody is so worked up about the aim-assist that they forgot hit detection got fixed as well.
Yeah if hd wasn't fixed no one would have said anything, they might even have had complained! |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1464
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:26:00 -
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im sure it is more of hit box plus aim assist issues with super following.
an example here through 1:56 ~ |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:28:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Dude shut up please, aim assist may or maynot be a problem thats for ccp to decide, the real problem with it is hit detection, increases in hit detection mean hitscan weapons are now two powerful!! Please just stop bickering about aim assist! , no you shut up!
I might do when you stop whining, if your that peed about aim assist, the fact a miltia ar can drop a heavy, solo, at 40m without reloading isnt a problem? Aim assist might be too muchit might not, but its hard to tell when hit detection is fixed, strafing speeds are reduced, and the armour updates by you 1/12 of a second against an ar, look at everything together, combat in general is broken! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:31:00 -
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ladwar wrote:im sure it is more of hit box plus aim assist issues with super following. an example herethrough 1:56 ~
I have seen that video, it doesnt scream aim assist, it screams lag compensation, to much damage a shot, and over worked hit detection, if were aim bot he wouldnt have been swiping across him. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1512
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:36:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Dude shut up please, aim assist may or maynot be a problem thats for ccp to decide, the real problem with it is hit detection, increases in hit detection mean hitscan weapons are now two powerful!! Please just stop bickering about aim assist! , no you shut up! I might do when you stop whining, if your that peed about aim assist, the fact a miltia ar can drop a heavy, solo, at 40m without reloading isnt a problem? Aim assist might be too muchit might not, but its hard to tell when hit detection is fixed, strafing speeds are reduced, and the armour updates by you 1/12 of a second against an ar, look at everything together, combat in general is broken!
lol im not whining, im giving feedback while having a ball at adding some flare.
frankly, im a tanker on my main, so aim assist isnt TOO meaningful to me. We all share a common goal in bettering Dust. I believe aim assist is fundamentally necessary, just not as much as we have it now. |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
433
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:41:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:So the very first sentence in wikipedia says aim-bots are classified as aim-assist when implemented by the games creators. Now as far as I can tell, you have to be pretty damn close to being on target to get any assitance in this game, so I would guess this is an aim assists. *Does not read past first line, or first result in a search* *Cites Wikipedia* *Like ad hominem attacks and strawmen arguments*
GG Well played 6/10 |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1464
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:41:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:ladwar wrote:im sure it is more of hit box plus aim assist issues with super following. an example herethrough 1:56 ~ I have seen that video, it doesnt scream aim assist, it screams lag compensation, to much damage a shot, and over worked hit detection, if were aim bot he wouldnt have been swiping across him. he hit past the wall as well so yea all of that together makes it so basically no rounds misses as long you hit within 3m of them making AR have the splash range of MD. something that really needs to be fixed ASAP and is probably some of the rage of aim assist comes from here.
btw i didn't say it was an aim assist issue, that is a different but compounding issue. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:44:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Dude shut up please, aim assist may or maynot be a problem thats for ccp to decide, the real problem with it is hit detection, increases in hit detection mean hitscan weapons are now two powerful!! Please just stop bickering about aim assist! , no you shut up! I might do when you stop whining, if your that peed about aim assist, the fact a miltia ar can drop a heavy, solo, at 40m without reloading isnt a problem? Aim assist might be too muchit might not, but its hard to tell when hit detection is fixed, strafing speeds are reduced, and the armour updates by you 1/12 of a second against an ar, look at everything together, combat in general is broken! lol im not whining, im giving feedback while having a ball at adding some flare. frankly, im a tanker on my main, so aim assist isnt TOO meaningful to me. We all share a common goal in bettering Dust. I believe aim assist is fundamentally necessary, just not as much as we have it now.
Aah you see much more civilised!! Prehaps it is some people report being able to use no input and track scouts, others are reporting nothing more than friction near an enemy!! Its a mixed barrel, just let it play out, get some video evidence!
Dont forget hd will compound the issue, doing one at a time would have resulted in a more comfortable transistion, but now they are both here together I think it is time we reconsider the power of hitscan weaponry! , |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1513
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:46:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Dude shut up please, aim assist may or maynot be a problem thats for ccp to decide, the real problem with it is hit detection, increases in hit detection mean hitscan weapons are now two powerful!! Please just stop bickering about aim assist! , no you shut up! I might do when you stop whining, if your that peed about aim assist, the fact a miltia ar can drop a heavy, solo, at 40m without reloading isnt a problem? Aim assist might be too muchit might not, but its hard to tell when hit detection is fixed, strafing speeds are reduced, and the armour updates by you 1/12 of a second against an ar, look at everything together, combat in general is broken! lol im not whining, im giving feedback while having a ball at adding some flare. frankly, im a tanker on my main, so aim assist isnt TOO meaningful to me. We all share a common goal in bettering Dust. I believe aim assist is fundamentally necessary, just not as much as we have it now. Aah you see much more civilised!! Prehaps it is some people report being able to use no input and track scouts, others are reporting nothing more than friction near an enemy!! Its a mixed barrel, just let it play out, get some video evidence! Dont forget hd will compound the issue, doing one at a time would have resulted in a more comfortable transistion, but now they are both here together I think it is time we reconsider the power of hitscan weaponry! ,
i can be civilized until the other guy wants to throw poop. i already said i have tested it, as well as all my friends, and we have found it to be too much. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:46:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ladwar wrote:im sure it is more of hit box plus aim assist issues with super following. an example herethrough 1:56 ~ I have seen that video, it doesnt scream aim assist, it screams lag compensation, to much damage a shot, and over worked hit detection, if were aim bot he wouldnt have been swiping across him. he hit past the wall as well so yea all of that together makes it so basically no rounds misses as long you hit within 3m of them making AR have the splash range of MD. something that really needs to be fixed ASAP and is probably some of the rage of aim assist comes from here. btw i didn't say it was an aim assist issue, that is a different but compounding issue. Most definitely, things need to be looked at objectively, turn aim assist off, apparently aiming is still better even without it, and ttk appears to have dropped drastically, never good in this kinda game! |
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:51:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: I might do when you stop whining, if your that peed about aim assist, the fact a miltia ar can drop a heavy, solo, at 40m without reloading isnt a problem? Aim assist might be too muchit might not, but its hard to tell when hit detection is fixed, strafing speeds are reduced, and the armour updates by you 1/12 of a second against an ar, look at everything together, combat in general is broken!
lol im not whining, im giving feedback while having a ball at adding some flare. frankly, im a tanker on my main, so aim assist isnt TOO meaningful to me. We all share a common goal in bettering Dust. I believe aim assist is fundamentally necessary, just not as much as we have it now. Aah you see much more civilised!! Prehaps it is some people report being able to use no input and track scouts, others are reporting nothing more than friction near an enemy!! Its a mixed barrel, just let it play out, get some video evidence! Dont forget hd will compound the issue, doing one at a time would have resulted in a more comfortable transistion, but now they are both here together I think it is time we reconsider the power of hitscan weaponry! , i can be civilized until the other guy wants to throw poop. i already said i have tested it, as well as all my friends, and we have found it to be too much.
Yes and other people have tested it to find the opposite, if you can provide video evidence conclusive evidence, ill jump out that wagon and help throw poop until the cows come home, however until that happens, I will sit on the fence, and many people should do the same!! |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1516
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:53:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: I might do when you stop whining, if your that peed about aim assist, the fact a miltia ar can drop a heavy, solo, at 40m without reloading isnt a problem? Aim assist might be too muchit might not, but its hard to tell when hit detection is fixed, strafing speeds are reduced, and the armour updates by you 1/12 of a second against an ar, look at everything together, combat in general is broken!
lol im not whining, im giving feedback while having a ball at adding some flare. frankly, im a tanker on my main, so aim assist isnt TOO meaningful to me. We all share a common goal in bettering Dust. I believe aim assist is fundamentally necessary, just not as much as we have it now. Aah you see much more civilised!! Prehaps it is some people report being able to use no input and track scouts, others are reporting nothing more than friction near an enemy!! Its a mixed barrel, just let it play out, get some video evidence! Dont forget hd will compound the issue, doing one at a time would have resulted in a more comfortable transistion, but now they are both here together I think it is time we reconsider the power of hitscan weaponry! , i can be civilized until the other guy wants to throw poop. i already said i have tested it, as well as all my friends, and we have found it to be too much. Yes and other people have tested it to find the opposite, if you can provide video evidence conclusive evidence, ill jump out that wagon and help throw poop until the cows come home, however until that happens, I will sit on the fence, and many people should do the same!!
unfortunately i dont have a capture card and i wont make your eyes bleed by posting a shoddy phone video out of principle. It is up to others to post that stuff :/ |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3550
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Posted - 2013.09.04 09:45:00 -
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Unfortunately, I'm not a pubstomper. I'm not even a particularly great player.
And even I can tell you that the aim assist/bot is WAY too heavy-handed in its current state.
All console players need - if they're competent with a controller - is the aim friction we already had. That, and cleaning up the actual controls themselves, and it's fair enough.
I've turned off aim assist (and YAY IT DOESN'T BREAK CQC ANY MORE, so thanks for that one, CCP), because with it on, I get my aim thrown all over the place because I'm already aiming for myself on top of the game trying to aim for me. It's not cool, it's annoying, and every now and then, it doesn't kick in (or switches to a new target for no apparent reason) and is just as problematic once you're used to it because of that. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1270
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Posted - 2013.09.04 11:23:00 -
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Oh dear god the scrublets might have fun at the expense of the veterans! If they don't immediately nerf the crap out of this aimbot I swear to christ I'll go...
Make myself a sandwich.
No seriously, **** off you self-entitled douchebags. I'll keep my KB/M and giggle at the newbies who manage to gank my protofit heavy with their little DS3s.
Because i don't care, and because I have asstons of proto suits burning a hole in my wallet. You should know! those of you whom I have scammed over the past few weeks paid for them!
And freefit standard suits too!
Gun Game = running in circles like a ****** hopping up and down. How bout you jackholes start utilizing tactics instead of a tired movement exploit no one bothered to figure out how to patch out of FPS games because they're too stupid to realize that bouncing around like a beach ball on steroids is probably the best way to get annihilated IRL. |
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