DUST Search - Shields

RuckingFetard wrote:

kay oz wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

kay oz wrote:

something is wrong. shield should be sronger against standard bullets-guns and less efficiency against explosive weapons. but I get killed by milizia assault rifles in 2 seconds. now it's a happy shoot-shoot and kill-kill. no strategy, cause you can't run 20 m without get killed from any weapon from over 300 m.

You've gotten it completely the wrong way round - standard bullets (SMG, HMG) and explosive weapons (flaylock, mass driver) are stronger against armour. Plasma (AR, plasma cannon) and lasers (LR, scramblers) are stronger against shields.

Most of the weapons have not been touched this patch and shields work exactly how they used to - the differences that people are noticing are due to aim assist and hit detection issues.

that's what I said?!

with more shield I should get less dmg from a asault rifle but more dmg from a laser.

Ummm no.
Assault rifles do 10% more damage to shields and 10% less to armour.
Lasers do 20 to shield and 20 less to armour

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ANGRY HEAVY Ill Omens 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 03:57:00 - [1] - Quote The caldari assault is being underpowered because of the shields now suck it doesn't take long to kill you now. I thought this update was buffing up armor and some other things i heard nothing about nerfing shields or anything like that please ccp fix the shield problem.
WeapondigitX V7 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 82	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:41:00 - [2] - Quote shields haven't been touched, its hit detection and (accuracy results) of players going up. shields are never meant to win against armor tanking in a straight up fight. Shields are meant to use cover to regen shields repeatedly to win. your extra speed is meant to be used to out run armor tankers so you can retreat and regen shields quicker. armor tankers can counter by giving chase and trying to prevent you from regenerating shields. it becomes a matter of who knows more about outsmarting the other through tactics.
ANGRY HEAVY Ill Omens 0	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:28:00 - [3] - Quote yeah true but it doesn't really matter because of the aim assist i can be running away from militia gear and no matter how fast i go ill end up getting killed because of the aim assist.
Thurak1 Psygod9 142	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:42:00 - [4] - Quote even with over 1k ehps once i am spotted by a couple people in assault suits i am toast in under 2 seconds. Given the increased kill rate i think ccp should slash the prices of everything used in drop suits by about 1/2.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 824	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:52:00 - [5] - Quote ANGRY HEAVY wrote: The caldari assault is being underpowered because of the shields now suck it doesn't take long to kill you now. I thought this update was buffing up armor and some other things i heard nothing about nerfing shields or anything like that please ccp fix the shield problem. People can hit you now. Shields are exactly as they were before. They are FINALLY working as intended. Take damage to take cover. Make a fast recovery and bounce back. They were never meant to be the be all end all, that they were. Scramblers and Assault Rifles were MEANT to hurt you more, but you were also meant to fight from behind cover, and build back your shields. ANGRY HEAVY wrote: yeah true but it doesn't really matter because of the aim assist i can be running away from militia gear and no matter how fast i go ill end up getting killed because of the aim assist. A militia assault rifle does increased damage vs. shields. Again, Scramblers and ARs were meant to hurt shield tankers more. On a good positive note, I'm noticing that the Assault SMGs are very effective now. So watch your approach, and if the guy firing at you is Gallente, swap to your SMG and make quick work of him.
Cosgar ParagonX 4764	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:03:00 - [6] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: even with over 1k ehps once i am spotted by a couple people in assault suits i am toast in under 2 seconds. Given the increased kill rate i think ccp should slash the prices of everything used in drop suits by about 1/2. That only snowballs the problem. First things first, they need to take away the 10% damage boost that was implemented at the beginning of Uprising as a short term solution to the initial aiming issues and go from there.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1631	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:21:00 - [7] - Quote ANGRY HEAVY wrote: The caldari assault is being underpowered because of the shields now suck it doesn't take long to kill you now. I thought this update was buffing up armor and some other things i heard nothing about nerfing shields or anything like that please ccp fix the shield problem. Shields haven't been nerfed they are exactly the same as ever..... Armour is now just more viable like it should have been. Even if it is underpowered unless you have spent months using the inferior tanking type you have no grounds upon which to complain.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1631	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:22:00 - [8] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: even with over 1k ehps once i am spotted by a couple people in assault suits i am toast in under 2 seconds. Given the increased kill rate i think ccp should slash the prices of everything used in drop suits by about 1/2. Worst theory ever if anything all dropsuits should have their costs increased by 50%. That way you actually risk something.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2274	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:50:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Thurak1 wrote: even with over 1k ehps once i am spotted by a couple people in assault suits i am toast in under 2 seconds. Given the increased kill rate i think ccp should slash the prices of everything used in drop suits by about 1/2. That only snowballs the problem. First things first, they need to take away the 10% damage boost that was implemented at the beginning of Uprising as a short term solution to the initial aiming issues and go from there. Smart approach.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 825	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:52:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thurak1 wrote: even with over 1k ehps once i am spotted by a couple people in assault suits i am toast in under 2 seconds. Given the increased kill rate i think ccp should slash the prices of everything used in drop suits by about 1/2. Worst theory ever if anything all dropsuits should have their costs increased by 50%. That way you actually risk something. This.^ Never before has the game been so tactical.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1632	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:57:00 - [11] - Quote Jathniel wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thurak1 wrote: even with over 1k ehps once i am spotted by a couple people in assault suits i am toast in under 2 seconds. Given the increased kill rate i think ccp should slash the prices of everything used in drop suits by about 1/2. Worst theory ever if anything all dropsuits should have their costs increased by 50%. That way you actually risk something. This.^ Never before has the game been so tactical. The one great thing I love about this game right now is the sheer number of ways to use the new sockets to flank your enemies. I mean just today I dropped down two flights of stairs, went through the reactors, across a street, up two flights of stairs, and across a bridge all so my buddy and I could sneak up one some laser rifles.
Annabandak Mercery Knights Of Ender 38	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:27:00 - [12] - Quote ANGRY HEAVY wrote: yeah true but it doesn't really matter because of the aim assist i can be running away from militia gear and no matter how fast i go ill end up getting killed because of the aim assist. Its not the aim assist , its the the hit detection
WeapondigitX V7 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 101	Posted - 2013.09.07 07:50:00 - [13] - Quote If you have over 1 k hp and face a group of enemies of course you are toast. DUST is all about team work. not lone wolfing a group of 3 militia people. (although lone wolfing is still very viable, you were never meant to take on 3 or 2 people with 1k hp head on with no stealth. you should pick them off 1 by one. do that by surprising them from behind and making sure that the one you killed is not noticed by the other enemies straight away)
kay oz Intara Direct Action Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.09.07 08:42:00 - [14] - Quote something is wrong. shield should be sronger against standard bullets-guns and less efficiency against explosive weapons. but I get killed by milizia assault rifles in 2 seconds. now it's a happy shoot-shoot and kill-kill. no strategy, cause you can't run 20 m without get killed from any weapon from over 300 m.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1398	Posted - 2013.09.07 08:58:00 - [15] - Quote kay oz wrote: something is wrong. shield should be sronger against standard bullets-guns and less efficiency against explosive weapons. but I get killed by milizia assault rifles in 2 seconds. now it's a happy shoot-shoot and kill-kill. no strategy, cause you can't run 20 m without get killed from any weapon from over 300 m. You've gotten it completely the wrong way round - standard bullets (SMG, HMG) and explosive weapons (flaylock, mass driver) are stronger against armour. Plasma (AR, plasma cannon) and lasers (LR, scramblers) are stronger against shields. Most of the weapons have not been touched this patch and shields work exactly how they used to - the differences that people are noticing are due to aim assist and hit detection issues.
kay oz Intara Direct Action Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.09.07 09:04:00 - [16] - Quote Django Quik wrote: kay oz wrote: something is wrong. shield should be sronger against standard bullets-guns and less efficiency against explosive weapons. but I get killed by milizia assault rifles in 2 seconds. now it's a happy shoot-shoot and kill-kill. no strategy, cause you can't run 20 m without get killed from any weapon from over 300 m. You've gotten it completely the wrong way round - standard bullets (SMG, HMG) and explosive weapons (flaylock, mass driver) are stronger against armour. Plasma (AR, plasma cannon) and lasers (LR, scramblers) are stronger against shields. Most of the weapons have not been touched this patch and shields work exactly how they used to - the differences that people are noticing are due to aim assist and hit detection issues. that's what I said?! with more shield I should get less dmg from a asault rifle but more dmg from a laser.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 501	Posted - 2013.09.07 10:27:00 - [17] - Quote kay oz wrote: Django Quik wrote: kay oz wrote: something is wrong. shield should be sronger against standard bullets-guns and less efficiency against explosive weapons. but I get killed by milizia assault rifles in 2 seconds. now it's a happy shoot-shoot and kill-kill. no strategy, cause you can't run 20 m without get killed from any weapon from over 300 m. You've gotten it completely the wrong way round - standard bullets (SMG, HMG) and explosive weapons (flaylock, mass driver) are stronger against armour. Plasma (AR, plasma cannon) and lasers (LR, scramblers) are stronger against shields. Most of the weapons have not been touched this patch and shields work exactly how they used to - the differences that people are noticing are due to aim assist and hit detection issues. that's what I said?! with more shield I should get less dmg from a asault rifle but more dmg from a laser. Ummm no. Assault rifles do 10% more damage to shields and 10% less to armour. Lasers do 20 to shield and 20 less to armour I'm flabbergasted at the number of people who have been taken aback at the slightest buff to armor though
Mejt0 D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass 5	Posted - 2013.09.07 13:04:00 - [18] - Quote Achh... Shields and armours are now fine (maybe cald should only have better buff bec 10%eff to comp extender is only 6. Its nothing :0. But nvm). Shields are mean to shoot and run. Armors are toe to toe beast. They win 1v1 in pure shooting. But if you can cover. You shoot,hide shoot chanche possition when hes regen and kill him from bh. This what it should be but theres always some but :). Armor tanking ist so slower than shield. And with rep nano they soo powerful :) (im telling about you gallente logi who put 2rep nano under hes feets and toe to toe all). I think they will work on all this stuff in further but you should be happy that mass drivers do less to shields!! These bastards will kill armor in 3 shoot, i like it :]. And btw. For caldari good choice ise LR ,SR and TAR. Shields regen fast and you can shoot from big distances and safe point. They will get closer? You run and start it again. Ty for read
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 211	Posted - 2013.09.07 15:24:00 - [19] - Quote ANGRY HEAVY wrote: The caldari assault is being underpowered because of the shields now suck it doesn't take long to kill you now. I thought this update was buffing up armor and some other things i heard nothing about nerfing shields or anything like that please ccp fix the shield problem. To quote someone, "Punctuation is your friend." Sorry I can't remember your name.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 890	Posted - 2013.09.07 15:44:00 - [20] - Quote ANGRY HEAVY wrote: The caldari assault is being underpowered because of the shields now suck it doesn't take long to kill you now. I thought this update was buffing up armor and some other things i heard nothing about nerfing shields or anything like that please ccp fix the shield problem. Shields are the same as always.You are just fighting people on an even ground now and you feel UP. Thats what all caldari FOTM feel like now, and i like it....

kay oz Intara Direct Action Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.09.08 12:41:00 - [21] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: kay oz wrote: Django Quik wrote: kay oz wrote: something is wrong. shield should be sronger against standard bullets-guns and less efficiency against explosive weapons. but I get killed by milizia assault rifles in 2 seconds. now it's a happy shoot-shoot and kill-kill. no strategy, cause you can't run 20 m without get killed from any weapon from over 300 m. You've gotten it completely the wrong way round - standard bullets (SMG, HMG) and explosive weapons (flaylock, mass driver) are stronger against armour. Plasma (AR, plasma cannon) and lasers (LR, scramblers) are stronger against shields. Most of the weapons have not been touched this patch and shields work exactly how they used to - the differences that people are noticing are due to aim assist and hit detection issues. that's what I said?! with more shield I should get less dmg from a asault rifle but more dmg from a laser. Ummm no. Assault rifles do 10% more damage to shields and 10% less to armour. Lasers do 20 to shield and 20 less to armour If that's true, the loadingscreen-tooltip in my german dust version is wrong.
ANGRY HEAVY Ill Omens 4	Posted - 2013.09.08 13:49:00 - [22] - Quote Annabandak Mercery wrote: ANGRY HEAVY wrote: yeah true but it doesn't really matter because of the aim assist i can be running away from militia gear and no matter how fast i go ill end up getting killed because of the aim assist. Its not the aim assist , its the the hit detection It kinda is because i checked on options and it has aim assist there which was turned on. The hit detection is fixed I'm glad about that, but getting screwed by militia gear when I'm in my proto suit even my adv suit doesn't seem right.
ugg reset Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 382	Posted - 2013.09.08 15:34:00 - [23] - Quote ANGRY HEAVY wrote: yeah true but it doesn't really matter because of the aim assist i can be running away from militia gear and no matter how fast i go ill end up getting killed because of the aim assist. That's not true at all. Sure it harder but definitely not impossible.
WeapondigitX V7 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 110	Posted - 2013.09.09 12:08:00 - [24] - Quote If you are being screwed by militia gear then your opponent is probably just skilled and does not need proto gear. militia gear was meant to be able to kill proto gear, gaining SP was meant to (make you more diverse), not (better by a large noticeable amount but not OP). Proto is meant to be very slightly better so you survive more in head on fights, if you are ambushed by 1 player you are meant to have a high chance of dying. being ambushed by 2 players is meant to be a VERY high chance of death.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 150	Posted - 2013.09.09 12:53:00 - [25] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Thurak1 wrote: even with over 1k ehps once i am spotted by a couple people in assault suits i am toast in under 2 seconds. Given the increased kill rate i think ccp should slash the prices of everything used in drop suits by about 1/2. That only snowballs the problem. First things first, they need to take away the 10% damage boost that was implemented at the beginning of Uprising as a short term solution to the initial aiming issues and go from there. The 10% buff to weapon damage was done to compensate for the loss of the weaponry skill not as a workaround for hit detection or aiming issues...


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