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Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.03 14:57:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:CCP, this is probably the last nail in the coffin for me as a dropship pilot, and I'm here to let you know why. In my first match that i had to wait over 8 minutes for (the estimated wait time was 1:20) the match i got into was Ashland domination, as it appears that many others are being shuffled into that match. Except when I finally got into the match, there were only 4 people on each side, for the entire game, and one was a forge-gunner.
He had a militia forge which originally does absolutely nothing to my proto ADS with 4,062 shields, except this time, with each shot he took out 2,000 shield instantly. That's right, even a militia forge gun can now 3-shot a proto ADS with 4 ward shield extenders. Not only that, but in your view of "fixing a camera", that means that all you do is re-position the source point to the front of the dropship so we can sort of look downwards but still not really, and the camera swings violently when you try to aim at things. And with this camera now in the front, if you try to look at your back, the entire camera is taken up by the back of the dropship and you can't see anything. With this new camera, it makes shooting ground units around 100x more difficult in an Assault Dropship. It used to be fairly easy and you could lead targets, etc, but now this new camera jerks your riticule when you try to aim ahead, causing the turret aim to go in an un-wanted direction, almost like how side-gunners get affected by looking down.
I can't even see my entire dropship at all in 3rd person anymore. You have royally ****** up with this update CCP, the wait time will deter any potential new members you could get, along with the fact that there are only very few people in each match, and it's not because people aren't online either, there are many people on. Good luck surviving the massive wipe that will be known as the Dust Ice-age.
It sounds like you were hit with more than just an MLT FG. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:00:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:If he has proficiency up to 5 and was wearing the 'Neo' Heavy ak.0 with 3 complex damage mods he could do ~1954.32 damage per shot; or if it was just a suit with 2 high slots then it would be ~1860.48 damage per shot.
Edit: math was off. Numbers should be correct now.
You forgot to add the shield reduction value. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:02:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:
How do you know he was MLT? I ran the math - even with 2 10% damage mods, and 12% proficiency (very unlikely), his max damage output is roundabout 1650 per shot. That's before your 10% damage reduction from FG vs Shields. That would drop the damage to around 1500. If you have passive modifiers, it would go down even further.
More than likely? You were being hit by something more powerful than an MLT FG.
Furthermore, count your blessings. If it was me, i'd be hitting you with about 3.5k or more. You got off light.
actually FG have 10% bonus against shields  Beren Hurin wrote:I wonder if dropships have a weakspot now maybe? as far as I remember correctly, the back thruster is the weakspot.
FGs are railguns, they get a 10% reduction, plasma, like the AR gets the 10% buff. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:19:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Absoliav wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:CCP, this is probably the last nail in the coffin for me as a dropship pilot, and I'm here to let you know why. In my first match that i had to wait over 8 minutes for (the estimated wait time was 1:20) the match i got into was Ashland domination, as it appears that many others are being shuffled into that match. Except when I finally got into the match, there were only 4 people on each side, for the entire game, and one was a forge-gunner.
He had a militia forge which originally does absolutely nothing to my proto ADS with 4,062 shields, except this time, with each shot he took out 2,000 shield instantly. That's right, even a militia forge gun can now 3-shot a proto ADS with 4 ward shield extenders. Not only that, but in your view of "fixing a camera", that means that all you do is re-position the source point to the front of the dropship so we can sort of look downwards but still not really, and the camera swings violently when you try to aim at things. And with this camera now in the front, if you try to look at your back, the entire camera is taken up by the back of the dropship and you can't see anything. With this new camera, it makes shooting ground units around 100x more difficult in an Assault Dropship. It used to be fairly easy and you could lead targets, etc, but now this new camera jerks your riticule when you try to aim ahead, causing the turret aim to go in an un-wanted direction, almost like how side-gunners get affected by looking down.
I can't even see my entire dropship at all in 3rd person anymore. You have royally ****** up with this update CCP, the wait time will deter any potential new members you could get, along with the fact that there are only very few people in each match, and it's not because people aren't online either, there are many people on. Good luck surviving the massive wipe that will be known as the Dust Ice-age. It sounds like you were hit with more than just an MLT FG. Please, scroll down on the first page and read the 10+ other similar responses, and my reply to them before you try to assert that I don't know what I'm talking about
I've done the math, your statement is false because it's mathematically impossible, the damage on the damage is 1320.0, the Prof gives 15%, than add 3 Comp mods, which adds 30%, add the stacking penalty and you get 22.51%, than add the damage reduction from shields, which is -10%, and you get (1320.0+15%)+22.51%-10%=1849.70, this isn't including your shield resistance you have on your DS, I couldn't add that since I don't know your skills or your fitting.
I'll say it again, you could not have been hit with just one MLT FG, unless you were just letting him hit you (which I doubt), or he had support, or you didn't read the kill-feed correctly, all evidence shows that you are wrong, do the math yourself, if you apply the formula I just used you'll see that it's impossible. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:20:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Absoliav wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:
How do you know he was MLT? I ran the math - even with 2 10% damage mods, and 12% proficiency (very unlikely), his max damage output is roundabout 1650 per shot. That's before your 10% damage reduction from FG vs Shields. That would drop the damage to around 1500. If you have passive modifiers, it would go down even further.
More than likely? You were being hit by something more powerful than an MLT FG.
Furthermore, count your blessings. If it was me, i'd be hitting you with about 3.5k or more. You got off light.
actually FG have 10% bonus against shields Beren Hurin wrote:I wonder if dropships have a weakspot now maybe? as far as I remember correctly, the back thruster is the weakspot. FGs are railguns, they get a 10% reduction, plasma, like the AR gets the 10% buff. well in that case, pilots and tank drivers have nothing to complain 
So long as they run shields, they don't have much to worry about, other than Proto AV. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:24:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:
I have been flying for a very long time. I was never shot down by this FG, because I know how to keep moving in an ADS, that's standard, and i can't believe you would assume i was just sitting there letting him hit me constantly. I'm apart of Condor Squad and fly with them regularly, and we all know how to predict and dodge forge gun shots like it's nothing. I'm just letting everyone know that FG's do more dmg to shield reppers now, and whatever change was made to FG's is a big one, because I know for a fact that it was a militia forge gun hitting me and doing that incredible amount of damage for a militia. Look, once 1.4 starts to stretch into a few days and weeks, you will realize how much weaker dropships are to forge guns.
If you didn't get shot down, then why are you bitching? BECAUSE A MILTIA FORGE GUN CAN NOW DO 2000+ DMG TO MY PROTO DROPSHIP. I could have easily been taken down if i hadn't hidden and waited for my shield to regen every single time i got hit once.
So, wait, so than how do you know it was an MLT, if you weren't killed by it and given the death-feed?
There very well could have been more than one FG on the field, I've stood around entire matches with my Breach scaring of DSs to support my team, never scoring a kill, but neither does the DS. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:27:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:You can do the math a million times over and still not get the correct result in-game, CCP has proven that time and time again. Please, i encourage you to go into a match with a miltia forge gun and "test the waters".
I've tested the waters, and I know for a fact only the Breach FG can reach the numbers you talking about, the regular one cannot reach those numbers in one shot, stop making excuses and just admit it, you don't know what hit you. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:45:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Absoliav wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:You can do the math a million times over and still not get the correct result in-game, CCP has proven that time and time again. Please, i encourage you to go into a match with a miltia forge gun and "test the waters". I've tested the waters, and I know for a fact only the Breach FG can reach the numbers you talking about, the regular one cannot reach those numbers in one shot, stop making excuses and just admit it, you don't know what hit you. You've tested them in 1.4 already? Wow that was quick!
I have in fact, and nothing has changed to your description, only a few answer remain, 1.) You're lying to help rally people to some anti-AV cause. 2.) You're delusional. 3.) Everyone else is delusional. 4.) Your opponent was using some unknown exploit. 5.) Your opponent had support from another FG.
The choice is yours, you can ether admit you were wrong, and that you were hit with a Breach, or you can stand by you word and look like a liar.
I've used the MLT, the Breach, the Assault, and the Regular, and the only one that has ever left hole in a dropship in one shot is the Breach, and I've yet to see it get any better since the launch of 1.4. |
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