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itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
197
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:46:00 -
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Say I have profile dampning skill maxed out, and I use 4 complex profile dampners on an gallente logi suit, what's it going to take for someone to pick me up on radar? Can people with active scanners find me? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3456
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:51:00 -
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Look at your suit's base "Scan Profile" stat.
Calculate the reduction given by skills, and apply it.
Calculate the reduction given by modules, and apply each one individually.
The more modules you stack, the less benefit you get from each, but you still get a benefit. I would do this myself, but I'm busy playing ACV right now. I might come back in a few hours to do it. I don't remember if there's a stacking penalty on Dampeners or not...
No matter what you do, there isn't a way to reduce ANY suit below 18 Profile though, which means the least practical Prototype Active Scanner can still pick you up once every 10 seconds, and keep you lit up for 3 seconds at a time. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
197
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:09:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Look at your suit's base "Scan Profile" stat.
Calculate the reduction given by skills, and apply it.
Calculate the reduction given by modules, and apply each one individually.
The more modules you stack, the less benefit you get from each, but you still get a benefit. I would do this myself, but I'm busy playing ACV right now. I might come back in a few hours to do it. I don't remember if there's a stacking penalty on Dampeners or not...
No matter what you do, there isn't a way to reduce ANY suit below 18 Profile though, which means the least practical Prototype Active Scanner can still pick you up once every 10 seconds, and keep you lit up for 3 seconds at a time.
Last I remember there was no stacking penelty on dampness, I was wondering because CPD give a bonus of 25% so for of them means 100%? Is this a waste? Btw I run a sniper on this fit, no nades, 2compacts, 3 complex dmg mods and one armour extender.
Are ppl with regular scanners gona be able to see me?
I'm not afraid of active scanners because of their range which sucks cause I really wanted to use them.
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Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1329
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:13:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Look at your suit's base "Scan Profile" stat.
Calculate the reduction given by skills, and apply it.
Calculate the reduction given by modules, and apply each one individually.
The more modules you stack, the less benefit you get from each, but you still get a benefit. I would do this myself, but I'm busy playing ACV right now. I might come back in a few hours to do it. I don't remember if there's a stacking penalty on Dampeners or not...
No matter what you do, there isn't a way to reduce ANY suit below 18 Profile though, which means the least practical Prototype Active Scanner can still pick you up once every 10 seconds, and keep you lit up for 3 seconds at a time. Last I remember there was no stacking penelty on dampness, I was wondering because CPD give a bonus of 25% so for of them means 100%? Is this a waste? Btw I run a sniper on this fit, no nades, 2compacts, 3 complex dmg mods and one armour extender. Are ppl with regular scanners gona be able to see me? I'm not afraid of active scanners because of their range which sucks cause I really wanted to use them. I'm pretty sure there is a stacking penalty. I've done the math with the penalties and they come out way to close to a logical system for dampener use for it not to be the case.
A medium suit needs dampening V to avoid STD scanners. It needs dampening V+a PRO damp to avoid ADV scanners. I think it can avoid the normal PRO scanners with 3 dampeners, but it may not be able to avoid the 15dB scanner. That may not even be possible for scouts, but I could be wrong. |
Extraneus Tenebrarum
THE BOSSES
34
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:22:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Look at your suit's base "Scan Profile" stat.
Calculate the reduction given by skills, and apply it.
Calculate the reduction given by modules, and apply each one individually.
The more modules you stack, the less benefit you get from each, but you still get a benefit. I would do this myself, but I'm busy playing ACV right now. I might come back in a few hours to do it. I don't remember if there's a stacking penalty on Dampeners or not...
No matter what you do, there isn't a way to reduce ANY suit below 18 Profile though, which means the least practical Prototype Active Scanner can still pick you up once every 10 seconds, and keep you lit up for 3 seconds at a time. Last I remember there was no stacking penelty on dampness, I was wondering because CPD give a bonus of 25% so for of them means 100%? Is this a waste? Btw I run a sniper on this fit, no nades, 2compacts, 3 complex dmg mods and one armour extender. Are ppl with regular scanners gona be able to see me? I'm not afraid of active scanners because of their range which sucks cause I really wanted to use them. I'm pretty sure there is a stacking penalty. I've done the math with the penalties and they come out way to close to a logical system for dampener use for it not to be the case. A medium suit needs dampening V to avoid STD scanners. It needs dampening V+a PRO damp to avoid ADV scanners. I think it can avoid the normal PRO scanners with 3 dampeners, but it may not be able to avoid the 18dB scanner. That may not even be possible for scouts, but I could be wrong.
A scout with max skills in suit and damp and 3 complex gets 14db ( the last scanner does 15db not 18db) so it barely makes it. Ps. The math for this is in the thread "Scout registry // killboard" near the end
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:23:00 -
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It'd be nice if the fitted suits showed both profile and passive scan strength. Computers are good at math. I am not, especially when the formulas are not published. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
197
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:29:00 -
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So is it a waste using 4 cpds? And profile dampning V? |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1329
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:35:00 -
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Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Look at your suit's base "Scan Profile" stat.
Calculate the reduction given by skills, and apply it.
Calculate the reduction given by modules, and apply each one individually.
The more modules you stack, the less benefit you get from each, but you still get a benefit. I would do this myself, but I'm busy playing ACV right now. I might come back in a few hours to do it. I don't remember if there's a stacking penalty on Dampeners or not...
No matter what you do, there isn't a way to reduce ANY suit below 18 Profile though, which means the least practical Prototype Active Scanner can still pick you up once every 10 seconds, and keep you lit up for 3 seconds at a time. Last I remember there was no stacking penelty on dampness, I was wondering because CPD give a bonus of 25% so for of them means 100%? Is this a waste? Btw I run a sniper on this fit, no nades, 2compacts, 3 complex dmg mods and one armour extender. Are ppl with regular scanners gona be able to see me? I'm not afraid of active scanners because of their range which sucks cause I really wanted to use them. I'm pretty sure there is a stacking penalty. I've done the math with the penalties and they come out way to close to a logical system for dampener use for it not to be the case. A medium suit needs dampening V to avoid STD scanners. It needs dampening V+a PRO damp to avoid ADV scanners. I think it can avoid the normal PRO scanners with 3 dampeners, but it may not be able to avoid the 18dB scanner. That may not even be possible for scouts, but I could be wrong. A scout with max skills in suit and damp and 3 complex gets 14db ( the last scanner does 15db not 18db) so it barely makes it. Ps. The math for this is in the thread "Scout registry // killboard" near the end Oops i had 15, then switched to 18 when I saw the earlier post. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1329
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:36:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:So is it a waste using 4 cpds? And profile dampning V?
On a medium suit, I think so, yes. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1410
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:40:00 -
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Profile dampening is the only one of the sensory skills/ modules that are worth it.
If you aren't a scout suit, specifically gallente scout then you won't find any use of range enhancements because you have no range to enhance from the start, so the percentage bonus to a measly 10 meters isn't a lot.
Precision enhancers are very good, but guess what, their performance is determined by how far you can see so you can detect some stealth suit sneaking up...but it's too late by then.
So medium suits (and possibly heavy suits) best bet is to ignore the other two sensory skills for now and invest in profile dampening.
P.S. I have P. Dampening at 5 without a module but the bonus is good enough for now. |
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Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
780
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:43:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote: but it may not be able to avoid the 18dB scanner. That may not even be possible for scouts, but I could be wrong.
45.00 dB: (Base) Light-Frame Scan Profile 33.75 dB: (-25%) Scout Lvl5 30.38 dB: (-10%) Dampening Lvl5 22.78 dB: (-25%) Complex Dampener #1 17.77 dB: (-22%) Complex Dampener #2 <--- Might beat Meta(9) Scanner (if tie goes to runner) 15.28 dB: (-14%) Complex Dampener #3 <--- Definitely beats Meta(9) Scanner 14.21 dB: (-07%) Complex Dampener #4
* Assumes stacking penalties apply. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
197
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:46:00 -
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What about other snipers? Willl they be able to light me up if the look close to me? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1410
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:46:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Beren Hurin wrote: but it may not be able to avoid the 18dB scanner. That may not even be possible for scouts, but I could be wrong. 45.00 dB: (Base) Light-Frame Scan Profile 33.75 dB: (-25%) Scout Lvl5 30.38 dB: (-10%) Dampening Lvl5 22.78 dB: (-25%) Complex Dampener #1 17.77 dB: (-22%) Complex Dampener #2 There's no sacking penalty to the second mod. |
Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
780
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:49:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Beren Hurin wrote: but it may not be able to avoid the 18dB scanner. That may not even be possible for scouts, but I could be wrong. 45.00 dB: (Base) Light-Frame Scan Profile 33.75 dB: (-25%) Scout Lvl5 30.38 dB: (-10%) Dampening Lvl5 22.78 dB: (-25%) Complex Dampener #1 17.77 dB: (-22%) Complex Dampener #2 There's no sacking penalty to the second mod.
Worst-case scenario, brother. Frankly, no one knows with certainty one way or the other: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=106019&find=unread |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1410
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:56:00 -
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You're right, this is CCP we're dealing with after all. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
197
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:00:00 -
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I just want someone to hold me in their arms and say its going to be alright, that I'm not wasteing my low slots, and its ok to have less than 300 hp. -¦~-¦ |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1410
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:03:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:I just want someone to hold me in their arms and say its going to be alright, that I'm not wasteing my low slots, and its ok to have less than 300 hp. -¦~-¦ You might be wasting your low slots |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
197
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:05:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:I just want someone to hold me in their arms and say its going to be alright, that I'm not wasteing my low slots, and its ok to have less than 300 hp. -¦~-¦ You might be wasting your low slots
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Yan Darn
DUST University Ivy League
46
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:09:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:I just want someone to hold me in their arms and say its going to be alright, that I'm not wasteing my low slots, and its ok to have less than 300 hp. -¦~-¦
No
Seriously though - how many times have CCP been asked to clarify scanning in general? At this point I'm going to assume:
A) They don't know
B) They are reworking the whole system so they feel there is no point in sharing the math behind it.
I'm very much hoping its B)...
At this point it seems the only advantage to minimum profile is to avoid active scanners anyway, which is...super useful because *everybody* uses those things (obviously i've just jumped on the bandwagon...).
Sorry, I don't do sarcasm well IRL either.
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
197
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:13:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:I just want someone to hold me in their arms and say its going to be alright, that I'm not wasteing my low slots, and its ok to have less than 300 hp. -¦~-¦ No Seriously though - how many times have CCP been asked to clarify scanning in general? At this point I'm going to assume: A) They don't know B) They are reworking the whole system so they feel there is no point in sharing the math behind it. I'm very much hoping its B)... At this point it seems the only advantage to minimum profile is to avoid active scanners anyway, which is...super useful because *everybody* uses those things (obviously i've just jumped on the bandwagon...). Sorry, I don't do sarcasm well IRL either.
The reason I started working on stealth was because of 1.4 no shared team scanner. Makes being a stealth sniper a better option then an armour sniper |
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1410
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:18:00 -
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I seriously don't think they know, or there's just one person in all of CCP that knows. |
Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2013.09.02 18:03:00 -
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Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: A scout with max skills in suit and damp and 3 complex gets 14db ( the last scanner does 15db not 18db) so it barely makes it. Ps. The math for this is in the thread "Scout registry // killboard" near the end
Thought for sure the Meta(9) "Focused" was rated 18 dB. Just checked, and you're right ... it is 15 dB. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
200
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I seriously don't think they know, or there's just one person in all of CCP that knows.
Why won't dev senpais notice us? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1416
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Posted - 2013.09.03 11:09:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I seriously don't think they know, or there's just one person in all of CCP that knows. Why won't dev senpais notice us? because they don't know.
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