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Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Stop trying to use it like an assault suit or heavy suit. Its a support suit, its probably the best sniper and swarm launcher suit in the game. Its meant for lone wolfing

Wrong.

From the dev blog: "You could sport a shotgun and assault rifle for maximum effectiveness in short- and medium-range engagements."

Now the suit is terrible at actually doing this, but you can't in any way argue that the suit was only intended to sit on a rooftop. It was definitely meant to utilize its dual-wield in a great number of scenarios, including front-line fighting.

I think the main problem with the commando is lack of mobility to keep up with Logi and Assault suits. With enough speed to be a solid member of a mobile squad, it could hold out a lot better as its EHP aren't all that different from many other front-line suits that aren't completely filled with tank mods. I'd add a bit more fitting (to squeeze maximum effectiveness from each slot) and move the proto second high to being a second low, and tweak the base speed to match Logistics. The differences are subtle, but would go a long way towards making this a viable and interesting choice.

^^This is my recommendation after extensive testing with the commando suit, including proto variants. My preference is a Scrambler rifle / Mass Driver combo.

:O thats my fav combo as well
Id be happy with more mobility and 1 more low slot for proto tbh
STD is awful with no lows

STD - 1 high , 1 low
ADV - 2 high , 1 low
Proto - 2 high, 2 low

Buff the shield regen and movement. At the end of the day the hitbox is still large since its a heavy frame so its not gonna be a better assault than an assault since its still easy to hit it.

Think these minour changes along with some more CPU/PG and the suit can truly shine cuz tbqh its one of the only unique suits lol.

Some weapons like swarms and Plasma cannons and Scrambler Rifles take up alot of PG and CPU so tryin to fit a proto in that and and advanced 2nd weapon is impossible without further gimpin the suit

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Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4184	Posted - 2013.09.01 16:13:00 - [1] - Quote Being one of the few ppl dumb enough to skill into a prototype commando suit i thought id give some feedback on the many shortcomings of this suit. 1. Low Shield recharge rate.....not kool. In a hectic game like DUST u give one of the squishiest suits **** poor shield regen. 2. Needs more CPU and PG tbqh: reason being that i should at least be able to comfortably fit a proto weapon and an advanced 2ndary weapon on this suit....currently u struggle to fit 2 advanced weapons its a joke and takes away from the main strength that this suit suppose to have which is versatility 3. Moar Mod slots plz. Absolutely sad that this suit is a complete joke at standard and Adv lvls and only semi-playable at proto. More mod slots add to giving the suit more tank, its already a heavy frame suit so its got the largest hitbox why make it squishy as hell? I honestly believe the commando can be one of the more fun suits to play and a real game changer suit in PC if tweaked but atm DUST is still all about caldari assaults and caldari logistics
Starfire Revo G I A N T EoN. 100	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:07:00 - [2] - Quote Don't know about the CPU/PG at proto as I've only got advanced currently, but I agree with the first and third points. The dropsuit really needs more flexibility as far as roles go and it lacks the low slots to allow it. Without a passive rep, it needs an armour rep in it's low. This forces it to have poor stamina, armour HP, run speed, sig radius or to rely on having a nearby logi (and have most of those anyway).
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 763	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:14:00 - [3] - Quote I can't disagree with anything you say, only please try more grammar guy, it kinda hurt to read. Plas One. Agreeable post.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 35	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:16:00 - [4] - Quote Stop trying to use it like an assault suit or heavy suit. Its a support suit, its probably the best sniper and swarm launcher suit in the game. Its meant for lone wolfing to the side of the main conflict and doing its own thing, hence the name "commando". Its not meant to be a suit you take into the middle of battle and expect to stomp people with, that's what sentinels and basic heavies are for. Use your weapon slots to cover your weaknesses.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1427	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:28:00 - [5] - Quote I do agree the shield recharge is way too slow. It makes a shield energizer absolutely necessary and even then it's still bad plus it takes away your max shield. The lack of PG and CPU is also noticeable, you cannot reasonably fit two weapons of your suit's tier which I thought is the whole point of the dropsuit. Lastly the Amarr racial bonus needs to change. Commandos sacrifice module slots and Amarr is the race in Dust that always gets the least modules, so who thought a bonus for module usage would be a good idea? Give it something that compliments its strengths, not its weaknesses.
Dominus Fatali Nox Aeterna Security 112	Posted - 2013.09.01 20:55:00 - [6] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: I can't disagree with anything you say, only please try more grammar guy, it kinda hurt to read. Plas One. Agreeable post. Calling someone out on grammar. 'Plas' one.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 783	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:44:00 - [7] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Being one of the few ppl dumb enough to skill into a prototype commando suit i thought id give some feedback on the many shortcomings of this suit. 1. Low Shield recharge rate.....not kool. In a hectic game like DUST u give one of the squishiest suits **** poor shield regen. 2. Needs more CPU and PG tbqh: reason being that i should at least be able to comfortably fit a proto weapon and an advanced 2ndary weapon on this suit....currently u struggle to fit 2 advanced weapons its a joke and takes away from the main strength that this suit suppose to have which is versatility 3. Moar Mod slots plz. Absolutely sad that this suit is a complete joke at standard and Adv lvls and only semi-playable at proto. More mod slots add to giving the suit more tank, its already a heavy frame suit so its got the largest hitbox why make it squishy as hell? I honestly believe the commando can be one of the more fun suits to play and a real game changer suit in PC if tweaked but atm DUST is still all about caldari assaults and caldari logistics +1 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183164#post1183164
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 783	Posted - 2013.09.01 22:04:00 - [8] - Quote I have Lv 4 almost EVERYTHING passive and these are the stats between 3 ADV Amarrian Suits and how i have them modded (these OF COURSE include Passive skills plus modules): Commando: Shield regen : 10 Stamina:183 Shields:382 Armor:300 Weapons: ADv SCrambler Rifle EXO-5 Mass driver Sprint speed: 6.4 Assault : Shield Regen:20 Stamina:210 Armor:303 Shields:380 Weapons: Six Kin SMG Adv Swarm Launchers Sprint Speed:7.5 Heavy: Shield Regen: 20 Stamina:131 Armor:568 Shields:650 Weapons: Kaalakiota FG ADV Assault SMG Spint SPeed: 5.7 as we can see the Commando suit DOES NOT HAVE a lot going for it: The Assault Is faster, has more stamina,more shield REGEN and, with the complex shield ext equipped, even have +1 EHP than the commando. Assault also has a Equipment slot , MORE CPU/PG and smaller hitbox.Plus, grenade slot. Advantages for Commando: ''2 light weapons'' and 250 Melee damage. Against the heavy. MY heavy is clearly superior than the commando suit in EHP. 682 against 1218. Also the heavy has more Shield regen,CPU / PG . The advantage of the commando to equip 2 light weapons CAN be compared with using a HEavy weapon.PLUS the heavy has a Grenade slot AND the CPU/PG to use it.SAME HITBOX. Advantages for the commando: MORE SPEED (but not enough to save you), more stamina, 250 melee damage. So at the moment i just cant understand why i would prefer using a commando other than playing in Hard mode for the lulz...
Crow Splat DUST University Ivy League 113	Posted - 2013.09.01 22:34:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Stop trying to use it like an assault suit or heavy suit. Its a support suit, its probably the best sniper and swarm launcher suit in the game. Its meant for lone wolfing to the side of the main conflict and doing its own thing, hence the name "commando". Its not meant to be a suit you take into the middle of battle and expect to stomp people with, that's what sentinels and basic heavies are for. Use your weapon slots to cover your weaknesses. Edit: I will say however that they should get an equipment slot(if they don't already have one, I can't remember) I think there is a bit of confusion on just what a "commando" is. Commando does not mean secret squirrel, lone-wolf, behind-enemy-lines badass. A true commando would be more like SWAT. Armored up and lots of guns. They ride up fast in a car or fast rope in over an objective and overwhelm the defenses with superior fire power. When they are done they mount up and do it again. A commando suit needs to be like a rapid response team. A small team sitting in an LAV waiting to ride in where the fighting is the toughest and overwhelm the opposing side. Or rapidly capture a point left less protected. They need vehicle support and should always be attacking. They win one firefight and move on to the next one.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 783	Posted - 2013.09.01 22:45:00 - [10] - Quote Crow Splat wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Stop trying to use it like an assault suit or heavy suit. Its a support suit, its probably the best sniper and swarm launcher suit in the game. Its meant for lone wolfing to the side of the main conflict and doing its own thing, hence the name "commando". Its not meant to be a suit you take into the middle of battle and expect to stomp people with, that's what sentinels and basic heavies are for. Use your weapon slots to cover your weaknesses. Edit: I will say however that they should get an equipment slot(if they don't already have one, I can't remember) I think there is a bit of confusion on just what a "commando" is. Commando does not mean secret squirrel, lone-wolf, behind-enemy-lines badass. A true commando would be more like SWAT. Armored up and lots of guns. They ride up fast in a car or fast rope in over an objective and overwhelm the defenses with superior fire power. When they are done they mount up and do it again. A commando suit needs to be like a rapid response team. A small team sitting in an LAV waiting to ride in where the fighting is the toughest and overwhelm the opposing side. Or rapidly capture a point left less protected. They need vehicle support and should always be attacking. They win one firefight and move on to the next one. as it is they dont even have PG/CPU to equip 2 decent light weapons..

Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 752	Posted - 2013.09.02 00:38:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Stop trying to use it like an assault suit or heavy suit. Its a support suit, its probably the best sniper and swarm launcher suit in the game. Its meant for lone wolfing Wrong. From the dev blog: "You could sport a shotgun and assault rifle for maximum effectiveness in short- and medium-range engagements." Now the suit is terrible at actually doing this, but you can't in any way argue that the suit was only intended to sit on a rooftop. It was definitely meant to utilize its dual-wield in a great number of scenarios, including front-line fighting. I think the main problem with the commando is lack of mobility to keep up with Logi and Assault suits. With enough speed to be a solid member of a mobile squad, it could hold out a lot better as its EHP aren't all that different from many other front-line suits that aren't completely filled with tank mods. I'd add a bit more fitting (to squeeze maximum effectiveness from each slot) and move the proto second high to being a second low, and tweak the base speed to match Logistics. The differences are subtle, but would go a long way towards making this a viable and interesting choice. ^^This is my recommendation after extensive testing with the commando suit, including proto variants. My preference is a Scrambler rifle / Mass Driver combo.
Jarlaxle Xorlarrin SyNergy Gaming EoN. 159	Posted - 2013.09.02 00:58:00 - [12] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: I can't disagree with anything you say, only please try more grammar guy, it kinda hurt to read. Plas One. Agreeable post. You do realize he is not from the states, right? He is from some third world country off the coast of another third world country. Its not his fault he no hablo ingles :P
Abe Foster XCOM ENEMY UNKNOWN 4	Posted - 2013.09.02 01:08:00 - [13] - Quote From the dev blog: "You could sport a shotgun and assault rifle for maximum effectiveness in short- and medium-range engagements." [/quote] I also use the commando with the scrambler rifle(to take out shields) and the mass driver(to take out the armor). It is a pretty deadly combo.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4190	Posted - 2013.09.02 01:28:00 - [14] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Stop trying to use it like an assault suit or heavy suit. Its a support suit, its probably the best sniper and swarm launcher suit in the game. Its meant for lone wolfing Wrong. From the dev blog: "You could sport a shotgun and assault rifle for maximum effectiveness in short- and medium-range engagements." Now the suit is terrible at actually doing this, but you can't in any way argue that the suit was only intended to sit on a rooftop. It was definitely meant to utilize its dual-wield in a great number of scenarios, including front-line fighting. I think the main problem with the commando is lack of mobility to keep up with Logi and Assault suits. With enough speed to be a solid member of a mobile squad, it could hold out a lot better as its EHP aren't all that different from many other front-line suits that aren't completely filled with tank mods. I'd add a bit more fitting (to squeeze maximum effectiveness from each slot) and move the proto second high to being a second low, and tweak the base speed to match Logistics. The differences are subtle, but would go a long way towards making this a viable and interesting choice. ^^This is my recommendation after extensive testing with the commando suit, including proto variants. My preference is a Scrambler rifle / Mass Driver combo. :O thats my fav combo as well Id be happy with more mobility and 1 more low slot for proto tbh STD is awful with no lows STD - 1 high , 1 low ADV - 2 high , 1 low Proto - 2 high, 2 low Buff the shield regen and movement. At the end of the day the hitbox is still large since its a heavy frame so its not gonna be a better assault than an assault since its still easy to hit it. Think these minour changes along with some more CPU/PG and the suit can truly shine cuz tbqh its one of the only unique suits lol. Some weapons like swarms and Plasma cannons and Scrambler Rifles take up alot of PG and CPU so tryin to fit a proto in that and and advanced 2nd weapon is impossible without further gimpin the suit
God Anpu TheImmortal The Pyramid Order The Nova Foundry 54	Posted - 2013.09.02 03:02:00 - [15] - Quote I agree fully with this I also am a commando. My recommendation would be; Standard 1 hp/lp slot 1 equipment slot Advanced 2 hp/lp slot 1 equipment slot Proto 2hp/lp slot and be able to carry 1 grenade of any type all suits with the equipment slots and slightly raise CPU/pg with a shield recaharge increase not much. This I feel would not be and op suit but give it flexibility also the bonus that is currently in place would be more to its intended purpose. Also CCP PLEASE GIVE THE PROTO COMMANDO A DIFFERENT LOOK FROM THE BASIS WITHOUT HAVING TO BUY AN AURUM ONE.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 753	Posted - 2013.09.02 04:18:00 - [16] - Quote I should add that I kind of hate the equipment slot. Its helpful to have a nanohive if you're running the aforementioned rooftop sniper/swarm combo, but the vast majority of the time I'd prefer a grenade over equipment. That way, I'm still ultimately reliant on Logistics, encouraging team play. There's already far too many rooftop and hilltop snipers/forgers/swarmers these days as it is (popular because of the insane K/D ratios you can achieve) but its an ineffective way to play in terms of actually winning a match. I'd rather see a Commando that can do fine in the trenches, taking objectives with squadmates, than a Commando that encourages even more people to lone wolf (and thus be less useful to their team).
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1264	Posted - 2013.09.02 04:40:00 - [17] - Quote I use the commando for trolling. If I want to play for real, I use regular heavy suits. nanohive plasma cannon (STD) Mass Driver (STD) I'm pretty sure the annoyance factor on this weapon loadout is high for people who deal with me when I'm on a roll.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 741	Posted - 2013.09.02 08:52:00 - [18] - Quote Doesn't need more slots. This is the Amarr Commando Amarr suits have less slots and get more hp as a bonus. Amarr suits are also slower. What it needs is 300 base armor/shields, a little more shield recharge, and slightly more pg/cpu (or a bonus that decreases cpu/pg drain for weapons) The other commandos should be faster, have more slots, but have less health.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 753	Posted - 2013.09.02 09:45:00 - [19] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The other commandos should be faster, have more slots, but have less health. This I wholeheartedly disagree with. One of the -BEST- successes that CCP has had so far when balancing ships in EVE during their Tiericide effort has been standardization of slot count across all racial ship variants within each class. Differences in each game aside, the principle here holds as well - slots are an extremely powerful component of the system, and varying their number is an easy way to scale power in unexpected ways. I strongly believe that slots should vary in whether they are high or low - but a Minmatar shouldn't just get an extra couple of slots because its Minmatar. Look at how upset people are with Proto gear right now - and note that the stats on Proto gear are often the same as standard, they just have more usable slots. That single change alone causes big advantages on the battlefield - its far too substantial to be a variation between races of the same suit class and quality.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 792	Posted - 2013.09.02 21:44:00 - [20] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Stop trying to use it like an assault suit or heavy suit. Its a support suit, its probably the best sniper and swarm launcher suit in the game. Its meant for lone wolfing Wrong. From the dev blog: "You could sport a shotgun and assault rifle for maximum effectiveness in short- and medium-range engagements." Now the suit is terrible at actually doing this, but you can't in any way argue that the suit was only intended to sit on a rooftop. It was definitely meant to utilize its dual-wield in a great number of scenarios, including front-line fighting. I think the main problem with the commando is lack of mobility to keep up with Logi and Assault suits. With enough speed to be a solid member of a mobile squad, it could hold out a lot better as its EHP aren't all that different from many other front-line suits that aren't completely filled with tank mods. I'd add a bit more fitting (to squeeze maximum effectiveness from each slot) and move the proto second high to being a second low, and tweak the base speed to match Logistics. The differences are subtle, but would go a long way towards making this a viable and interesting choice. ^^This is my recommendation after extensive testing with the commando suit, including proto variants. My preference is a Scrambler rifle / Mass Driver combo. :O thats my fav combo as well Id be happy with more mobility and 1 more low slot for proto tbh STD is awful with no lows STD - 1 high , 1 low ADV - 2 high , 1 low Proto - 2 high, 2 low Buff the shield regen and movement. At the end of the day the hitbox is still large since its a heavy frame so its not gonna be a better assault than an assault since its still easy to hit it. Think these minour changes along with some more CPU/PG and the suit can truly shine cuz tbqh its one of the only unique suits lol. Some weapons like swarms and Plasma cannons and Scrambler Rifles take up alot of PG and CPU so tryin to fit a proto in that and and advanced 2nd weapon is impossible without further gimpin the suit I use 3 commando loadouts: Mass driver / Scrambler Rifle Swarm Launcher / Assault Scrambler R. Sniper / swarm On another note. Since CCP doesnt want us to have many slots it should be STD : 1 low + 1 HIGH ADV : 1 low + 2 High PROTO: 2 Low + 2 High Here the ''idea'' of being a solid suit design for WEAPON cusomization applies.BUT with this buffs both the ADV and PRoto get to work , somewhat. This should be added plus a slight SPeed Buff, Basic Armor buff, Shield regen buff (10ps , SRSLY) , and CPU/PG increase. EVEN WITH ALL THIS, i doubt the commando would be an overused suit.

Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1522	Posted - 2013.09.02 21:54:00 - [21] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: I can't disagree with anything you say, only please try more grammar guy, it kinda hurt to read. Plas One. Agreeable post. You ask for "more" grammar? I suspect you mean "better" grammar; also the word is "plus", and not "plas". If you are going to beat down on someone for these things, try not to make mistakes yourself.
CHIKANO BMXer Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 24	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:49:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I use the commando for trolling. If I want to play for real, I use regular heavy suits. nanohive plasma cannon (STD) Mass Driver (STD) I'm pretty sure the annoyance factor on this weapon loadout is high for people who deal with me when I'm on a roll. std lol
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 349	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:27:00 - [23] - Quote I specced into commando suits cause I thought they would be an awesome asset and it would be a valuable piece of any squad.....I was wrong. I had the points to go proto right off the bat but didnt, I went proto logi instead. I didn't go past basic commando because it gets owned by any suit in a matter of shots, I can't even equip an armour repper so I am forced to equip the compact nanohives wich limits me on the weapons I can equip. The commando suits need a buff of some sort, why do you think you never see a guy in a commando suit?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1521	Posted - 2013.09.08 01:50:00 - [24] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I specced into commando suits cause I thought they would be an awesome asset and it would be a valuable piece of any squad.....I was wrong. I had the points to go proto right off the bat but didnt, I went proto logi instead. I didn't go past basic commando because it gets owned by any suit in a matter of shots, I can't even equip an armour repper so I am forced to equip the compact nanohives wich limits me on the weapons I can equip. The commando suits need a buff of some sort, why do you think you never see a guy in a commando suit? hm? really i fit a K-2 hive on it w/ an advance SL and a tac sniper. i just want to test it with the plasma cannon w/ max reload skills to see if that will be viable. i think it needs more HP and the same 20 shield recharge and that is it.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 354	Posted - 2013.09.08 02:21:00 - [25] - Quote ladwar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I specced into commando suits cause I thought they would be an awesome asset and it would be a valuable piece of any squad.....I was wrong. I had the points to go proto right off the bat but didnt, I went proto logi instead. I didn't go past basic commando because it gets owned by any suit in a matter of shots, I can't even equip an armour repper so I am forced to equip the compact nanohives wich limits me on the weapons I can equip. The commando suits need a buff of some sort, why do you think you never see a guy in a commando suit? hm? really i fit a K-2 hive on it w/ an advance SL and a tac sniper. i just want to test it with the plasma cannon w/ max reload skills to see if that will be viable. i think it needs more HP and the same 20 shield recharge and that is it. I run a GLU 5 TacAR and an NT-511 sniper and then compact nanohive EDIT: at least give it 1 low slot at standard level
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1522	Posted - 2013.09.08 02:23:00 - [26] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: ladwar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I specced into commando suits cause I thought they would be an awesome asset and it would be a valuable piece of any squad.....I was wrong. I had the points to go proto right off the bat but didnt, I went proto logi instead. I didn't go past basic commando because it gets owned by any suit in a matter of shots, I can't even equip an armour repper so I am forced to equip the compact nanohives wich limits me on the weapons I can equip. The commando suits need a buff of some sort, why do you think you never see a guy in a commando suit? hm? really i fit a K-2 hive on it w/ an advance SL and a tac sniper. i just want to test it with the plasma cannon w/ max reload skills to see if that will be viable. i think it needs more HP and the same 20 shield recharge and that is it. I run a GLU 5 TacAR and an NT-511 sniper and then compact nanohive a TAR and a sniper.. why? and is it on the basic frame right?
Cosgar ParagonX 4946	Posted - 2013.09.08 02:26:00 - [27] - Quote I'd be okay if the Commando got 2 equipment slots, starting at standard.
killian178 Omega Elite Mercs INC. 11	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:23:00 - [28] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Stop trying to use it like an assault suit or heavy suit. Its a support suit, its probably the best sniper and swarm launcher suit in the game. Its meant for lone wolfing to the side of the main conflict and doing its own thing, hence the name "commando". Its not meant to be a suit you take into the middle of battle and expect to stomp people with, that's what sentinels and basic heavies are for. Use your weapon slots to cover your weaknesses. Edit: I will say however that they should get an equipment slot(if they don't already have one, I can't remember) If you don't even know what this suit has, let alone used one, don't try to tell us how to play with it nimrod.


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