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Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
274
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:21:00 -
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Is the worst AR I ever used in any fps ive played and its baffleing to see people give it the op title. It does solid damage at medium range as it should. It is not a cqc weapon which it seems people want it to be. And a well fitted duvolle will destroy any standard fit (assuming thats what most people use) as it should. People complain about everything that kills them. If people used smgs that would be quickly become titled OP. That thing has slightly less range than a duvolle but will shred a heavy faster than any AR. So can we put the AR threads to rest now and and agree to just tone up the rest of the light weapons so they can be more viable options? |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
738
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:27:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:People complain about everything that kills them. If people used smgs that would be quickly become titled OP.
Assert Dominance, ladies and gentlemen! Let's give a round of applause...
I agree with your entire post, but especially what I got in the quote. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1893
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:27:00 -
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All the complaining you see comes from guys without any recent FPS experience IE a bunch of crying evetards that dont know whats up |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
347
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:54:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:All the complaining you see comes from guys without any recent FPS experience IE a bunch of crying evetards that dont know whats up No you all want this game to be like any recent FPS made. Its not. Quit treating it as such. We are just looking for balance, which none of the weapons have if you haven't noticed |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
738
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:56:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:All the complaining you see comes from guys without any recent FPS experience IE a bunch of crying evetards that dont know whats up No you all want this game to be like any recent FPS made. Its not. Quit treating it as such. We are just looking for balance, which none of the weapons have if you haven't noticed
No one is saying that though. It's just foolish to say the rifle is OP. It doesn't make any sense. The folks complaining are the ones who die often.
If it isn't the AR that kills them, it will be the MD, the flaylock, the sniper rifle...and then those things will be the next "it's OP" thread.
It's really nonsense. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
347
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Posted - 2013.09.01 02:01:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:All the complaining you see comes from guys without any recent FPS experience IE a bunch of crying evetards that dont know whats up No you all want this game to be like any recent FPS made. Its not. Quit treating it as such. We are just looking for balance, which none of the weapons have if you haven't noticed No one is saying that though. It's just foolish to say the rifle is OP. It doesn't make any sense. The folks complaining are the ones who die often. If it isn't the AR that kills them, it will be the MD, the flaylock, the sniper rifle...and then those things will be the next "it's OP" thread. It's really nonsense. Actauully have you seen Alldin's thread today? Or any of my post in the AR this, MD that threads? Some of us are truly looking for balance. All you guys see is the blatent whine threads, then make a blatent whine thread like this... |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
386
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Posted - 2013.09.01 02:05:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Is the worst AR I ever used in any fps ive played and its baffleing to see people give it the op title. It does solid damage at medium range as it should. It is not a cqc weapon which it seems people want it to be. And a well fitted duvolle will destroy any standard fit (assuming thats what most people use) as it should. People complain about everything that kills them. If people used smgs that would be quickly become titled OP. That thing has slightly less range than a duvolle but will shred a heavy faster than any AR. So can we put the AR threads to rest now and and agree to just tone up the rest of the light weapons so they can be more viable options?
it's not that the ar is good. it's that all the other weapons are worse. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
750
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Posted - 2013.09.01 02:05:00 -
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If everybody leaved the weapons alone, and let CCP fix them without suggesting crazy nerfs, then we can stop want to give the AR its own medicine.
Until then, it will be forever engrained that it needs to be grounded into paste, just like what it did to everybody else. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4629
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Posted - 2013.09.01 02:05:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:All the complaining you see comes from guys without any recent FPS experience IE a bunch of crying evetards that dont know whats up Is this why I've never seen you in a topic that mathematically debunks any claims that any non assault or non AR game mechanic isn't OP? |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
460
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Posted - 2013.09.01 02:18:00 -
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Aside from a faylock Being used by one person an being op, I think the title of " OP" an the qq threads come from the "gang mentality". You take 16 people with the same weapon an everyone will cry that it's op because of the numbers of said weapons in abundance in one match, that quickly lock down one area an prevent the opposition from gaining any ground an in that instant the team that's getting smashed, basically quits after that first annihilation that separates your team an , your team spawns at different times in different places an no ones is smart enough to wait for more players to help them attack a area or even push uplinks or anything, an the defeat has already happened at this point, an in a bad match where one team has many players with the same weapons or weapons that combo well ( 10 Ar+ 6 md in a city) its easy for people to say its op because of the quantity.
You take 16 nova knifing scouts with shotguns an SMgs an speed mods = op scouts Team of 10 lazer rifles an 6 AR = op lasers Combos of flux tossing mass driver users = op
Not to mention people always forget to count in proficiency damage an drop suit slot fittings with damage mods. Damage mods have caused more weapons to be nerfed than anyone even realized. Take a core faylock an put 2 complex mods on it, works same as before just nobody does it, shotguns same thing I put a complex on my breach shotty , things the t!t$.
Only thing that is op about the AR is range, there is little to no fall off, I can be sniper hunting an still have a AR kill me from a ground objective an that's straight BULL$ HIT!
But more so it's that if you get caught in the open crossfire has too much range so even if you think ur in the clear your not cuz 9 guys can shoot you from any angle on the map no matter how far away they are, trim the range then the gun would be balanced |
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Kal Kronos
Svartur Bjorn
0
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Posted - 2013.09.01 02:45:00 -
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^ this i agree with. The full auto owns at ranges that the tactical should have the clear advantage. The auto version has insane range and also has little to no penalty for getting off target for limited portions of an engagement because of its huge clip. My personal opinion is that the auto needs a range decrease, tact stays as is, and the scr and lazer recieve an increase in range. With this you would see balance between them without changing anything but ranges, along with seeing more tactical engagements between opponents. |
Jimbo1337
Pure Innocence. EoN.
28
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Posted - 2013.09.01 03:11:00 -
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So I was running with this guy in my corp during a domination match; however, he decided to skill into mass drivers before the match started. He skilled into the basic mass driver without any complex damage mods or proficiency skills. He went 30-2 during that match...
Now tell me that you can do the same exact thing with the standard assault rifle. He claimed that he could not and I doubt any of you could either. Just saying... |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
739
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Posted - 2013.09.01 03:16:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:All the complaining you see comes from guys without any recent FPS experience IE a bunch of crying evetards that dont know whats up No you all want this game to be like any recent FPS made. Its not. Quit treating it as such. We are just looking for balance, which none of the weapons have if you haven't noticed No one is saying that though. It's just foolish to say the rifle is OP. It doesn't make any sense. The folks complaining are the ones who die often. If it isn't the AR that kills them, it will be the MD, the flaylock, the sniper rifle...and then those things will be the next "it's OP" thread. It's really nonsense. Actauully have you seen Alldin's thread today? Or any of my post in the AR this, MD that threads? Some of us are truly looking for balance. All you guys see is the blatent whine threads, then make a blatent whine thread like this...
Yea we see blatant whine threads when it comes to the AR. because most of the people complaining about it are the ones who are on the other side of it. The AR works as it is intended.
Like I said, you and many others are just running into guys like me whom have had several months (some if not a year) underneath our belts of using the AR.
So of course it seems OP when the user knows how to maximize its potential. Of course people complain about cooked nades when someone learned how to properly cook a pineapple.
AR doesn't need any nerfing. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
56
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Posted - 2013.09.01 03:31:00 -
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As a heavy, I don't like the duvolle very much, because its my main cause of death, besides getting roadkilled. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence. EoN.
311
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Posted - 2013.09.01 04:00:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:So I was running with this guy in my corp during a domination match; however, he decided to skill into mass drivers before the match started. He skilled into the basic mass driver without any complex damage mods or proficiency skills. He went 30-2 during that match...
Now tell me that you can do the same exact thing with the standard assault rifle. He claimed that he could not and I doubt any of you could either. Just saying... I could go 30/2 with a toxin AR no problem, wtf are you smokin? Its not about the gun its about the suit, i can stick 3 damage mods and still have 600ehp with armor&shield on my callogi or my calassault proto, which is enough to survive most everything and have insane DPS, i could do it with a STD mass driver, but instead i do it with a TAC AR dishing out 100+ damage per shot at ranges greater than an AR... |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.09.01 04:38:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:So I was running with this guy in my corp during a domination match; however, he decided to skill into mass drivers before the match started. He skilled into the basic mass driver without any complex damage mods or proficiency skills. He went 30-2 during that match...
Now tell me that you can do the same exact thing with the standard assault rifle. He claimed that he could not and I doubt any of you could either. Just saying... I never even used a assault rifle till I started a new character two weeks ago , I ran a basically free fit with the covenant suit, exile AR an a toxin smg an went 24/2 on my 3rd match with under a million skill points , an ya the things easy mode to say the least |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
98
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:15:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Is the worst AR I ever used in any fps ive played and its baffleing to see people give it the op title. It does solid damage at medium range as it should. It is not a cqc weapon which it seems people want it to be. And a well fit duvolle will destroy any standard fit (assuming thats what most people use) as it should. People complain about everything that kills them. If people used smgs that would be quickly become titled OP. That thing has slightly less range than a duvolle but will shred a heavy faster than any AR. So can we put the AR threads to rest now and and agree to just tone up the rest of the light weapons so they can be more viable options? Fixed. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1893
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:38:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:All the complaining you see comes from guys without any recent FPS experience IE a bunch of crying evetards that dont know whats up Is this why I've never seen you in a topic that mathematically debunks any claims that any non assault or non AR game mechanic isn't OP?
Ah yes the math threads, the ones that ignore the realities of actually playing in favor of the spreadsheet players crying about numbers that only apply in situation x and y range with the enemy player doing z action Or if I want to be less insulting all those threads fail to factor in every variable thus providing data that is incomplete and can be easily manipulated to support whatever agenda that thread poster has
This isnt EVE, this is a shooter and the combat situation will always be in flux and the only things that really are OP are things with big ass splash zones
Oh, and this isnt directed at you, but anyone that goes "Ar people just spray and get kills" really needs to learn to use the sights on it and not hipfire at everything, thats how you make the gun work for you |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
781
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:38:00 -
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OZAROW wrote: You take 16 nova knifing scouts with shotguns an SMgs an speed mods = op scouts
If they have three weapons, those scouts are alittle OP :p |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1893
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:38:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:So I was running with this guy in my corp during a domination match; however, he decided to skill into mass drivers before the match started. He skilled into the basic mass driver without any complex damage mods or proficiency skills. He went 30-2 during that match...
Now tell me that you can do the same exact thing with the standard assault rifle. He claimed that he could not and I doubt any of you could either. Just saying...
How many of those were stolen kills I wonder |
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Chris F2112
High-Damage
384
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:46:00 -
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This thread is entirely circumstantial evidence. It's just pointless. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
349
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:All the complaining you see comes from guys without any recent FPS experience IE a bunch of crying evetards that dont know whats up No you all want this game to be like any recent FPS made. Its not. Quit treating it as such. We are just looking for balance, which none of the weapons have if you haven't noticed No one is saying that though. It's just foolish to say the rifle is OP. It doesn't make any sense. The folks complaining are the ones who die often. If it isn't the AR that kills them, it will be the MD, the flaylock, the sniper rifle...and then those things will be the next "it's OP" thread. It's really nonsense. Actauully have you seen Alldin's thread today? Or any of my post in the AR this, MD that threads? Some of us are truly looking for balance. All you guys see is the blatent whine threads, then make a blatent whine thread like this... Yea we see blatant whine threads when it comes to the AR. because most of the people complaining about it are the ones who are on the other side of it. The AR works as it is intended. Like I said, you and many others are just running into guys like me whom have had several months (some if not a year) underneath our belts of using the AR. So of course it seems OP when the user knows how to maximize its potential. Of course people complain about cooked nades when someone learned how to properly cook a pineapple. AR doesn't need any nerfing. I think you better check my resume. Most likely been around here longer than you. Weren't you one of the guys crying about the MD? So I could say the same about you? I have ran every weapon in this game besides nova knives. And you know what? I have beasted with just about all of them so don't give me this "your just on the other end" ****. I have more than enough experience to be talking about balancing. Matter of fact, I play in the highest level of dust, PC, on a weekly basis. Where are your credentials? You don't know **** about me.
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Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
274
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:00:00 -
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LMAO ^ |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
350
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:06:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:LMAO ^ You don't either..
Matter of fact never seen you in PC either... who are you? RND? Been there, beat that... |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
274
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Posted - 2013.09.01 10:55:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:LMAO ^ You don't either.. Matter of fact never seen you in PC either... who are you? RND? Been there, beat that... When pc first started lol you clearly havent been in your last 5 battles |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
750
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:05:00 -
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LOL, there's a Nancy in a thread that needs a horse tranq now!! She's crying and she won't get up |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1280
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:46:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:LMAO ^ You don't either.. Matter of fact never seen you in PC either... who are you? RND? Been there, beat that...
Mine's bigger....... |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
353
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:43:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:LMAO ^ You don't either.. Matter of fact never seen you in PC either... who are you? RND? Been there, beat that... Mine's bigger....... Lol, but seriously, we wiped the floor with you too |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
104
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:10:00 -
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People need to realize that MOST of the time, it's not the weapon that is too OP, but more the PERSON that is USING it has skill with it.
GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE DO. |
Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
78
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:12:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Is the worst AR I ever used in any fps ive played and its baffleing to see people give it the op title. It does solid damage at medium range as it should. It is not a cqc weapon which it seems people want it to be. And a well fitted duvolle will destroy any standard fit (assuming thats what most people use) as it should. People complain about everything that kills them. If people used smgs that would be quickly become titled OP. That thing has slightly less range than a duvolle but will shred a heavy faster than any AR. So can we put the AR threads to rest now and and agree to just tone up the rest of the light weapons so they can be more viable options? MD is not skillful but its appropriate could use a distance nerf and thats about it. AR skillful, since you actually have to shoot at the person not 3 meters away from him. |
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