DUST Search - open up all remaining planets for PC

Maken Tosch wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

currently its only the large alliances or corps that have managed to take and hold the current planets that are available. if (and i believe this is what ccp will do) ccp releases planets in blocks then these corps and alliances will have no problem snapping them up with ease and little opposition.

my suggestion is open up all planets everywhere at the same time. this creates a land grab atmosphere allowing not only new corps to snag a planet for themselfs but also gives mega corps and alliances the risk of over streaching themselfs if they grab too much. this in itself would offer opertunity for corps to steal land off them.

more planets gives more corps the funds to actually go out there on conquests rather than scraping a clone pack or 2 together over a few weeks or months from player funds. attacking and failing and then starting again or never bothering again as is the current state of play

Although it is true that currently it's very easy for a large corp or alliance to grab a hold of a lot of districts throughout the Molden Heath region in New Eden, recent events show that even EoN is having trouble defending their territories from a massive onslaught of all the other small corps that have banded together against them. It's become a classic example of a powerful entity falling real hard because almost every hated.

There are even rumors (not sure if they're confirmed) circulating that many corps within EoN are actually giving up by hardly defending their districts when attacked. Twitter feeds from @DUSTAlerts seem to confirm some of the rumors based on the number of districts that TeamPlayers have lost in a single week alone. Owning so much territory even in a region as limited as Molden Heath is already proving to be a challenge to the big corps because now these big corps are having to face off against multiple attacks at once but hardly have enough people online at one time to defend against them all.

Although it would be nice to open up all the other regions as I'm sure there are most powerful alliances out there that are interested in controlling the planets within their own regions. We haven't heard much of anything from Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, CFC, etc.

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ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 232	Posted - 2013.08.31 10:05:00 - [1] - Quote currently its only the large alliances or corps that have managed to take and hold the current planets that are available. if (and i believe this is what ccp will do) ccp releases planets in blocks then these corps and alliances will have no problem snapping them up with ease and little opposition. my suggestion is open up all planets everywhere at the same time. this creates a land grab atmosphere allowing not only new corps to snag a planet for themselfs but also gives mega corps and alliances the risk of over streaching themselfs if they grab too much. this in itself would offer opertunity for corps to steal land off them. more planets gives more corps the funds to actually go out there on conquests rather than scraping a clone pack or 2 together over a few weeks or months from player funds. attacking and failing and then starting again or never bothering again as is the current state of play
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1155	Posted - 2013.08.31 10:49:00 - [2] - Quote lol I dont want to fight for land i want to click for land If you cant beat whos infront of you then tbh you dont deserve any land
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 229	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:03:00 - [3] - Quote yeah we definatly need another region opened up at least preferably 2 more
Billi Gene Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 370	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:05:00 - [4] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lol I dont want to fight for land i want to click for land If you cant beat whos infront of you then tbh you dont deserve any land or you could just join an alliance that has the players your corp needs .. esp. if you can't even field a full team for PC...ergo you cant capture a planet by yourself anyways... oh .. wait...
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 235	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:06:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lol I dont want to fight for land i want to click for land If you cant beat whos infront of you then tbh you dont deserve any land you are missing the point. i will fight for land. there just has to be land available to fight for. as it stands all land is owned by mega corps or alliances able to field multiple teams any time of the day. how does that help smaller corps onto the pc ladder. it doesn't. most corps try once and fail and never try again. how does that help pc advance to mainstream combat instead a niche area only for the elite or rich. its likely pc is the least used game mode of dust yet its meant to be the main point of the game i wouldn't expect a low level grunt like yourself from eon to understand what i'm talking about but i'm sure your overlords who do have a brain might get it. how does not having more planets available benefit pc. sure there will be alot of click for land (isnt that how you got most of your land in the first place) but once the dust settles then the main point of pc can start and that is mass conquest of eve, some will fall at the first hurdle but others will rise to the challenge. if i had isk poring in from a planet i would definately use that to try and conquer more planets.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 119	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:17:00 - [6] - Quote I'd rather they fix the locks and timers first. THEN I'll get involved. It is pointless to open up all of the other regions when the top Alliances will just farm them. Keep up on the current war and you'll see what I mean.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 305	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:20:00 - [7] - Quote Heres the only reason that might backfire just the way it already has- Everyone with half a brain attacks targets of opportunity. As of right now all the skilled players with top gear are all in EoN or similar high end corps that aren't in EoN. So what does this mean? It means that EoN or whatever largest powerful alliance and corps exist, will trample throughout the Eve Universe taking most likely more than half of everything, then the lesser corps will fight each other for the scraps of districts left over. They will do this because when they get their asses handed to them by the powerful corps/alliances, they will choose instead to fight the ones they deem weaker, the small weak corps fightiing for scrap. We saw this already in Molden Heath but in the end it was small enough that EoN took hold of everything, because weak corps weren't even able to hold single districts. This is pretty much due to low player count, compared to how many districts there are. Its a very tricky situation, Molden Heath might already be too big, as if it was smaller there might be more attacking over the limited districts, or it might be too small since an alliance can hold everything.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 229	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:35:00 - [8] - Quote there are so many regions in new eden that i thik it would be common to a single alliance owning one whole region, and wars will be fought between regions over 'footholds' when alliances try to expand beyond their conquered region
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1155	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:36:00 - [9] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lol I dont want to fight for land i want to click for land If you cant beat whos infront of you then tbh you dont deserve any land you are missing the point. i will fight for land. there just has to be land available to fight for. as it stands all land is owned by mega corps or alliances able to field multiple teams any time of the day. how does that help smaller corps onto the pc ladder. it doesn't. most corps try once and fail and never try again. how does that help pc advance to mainstream combat instead a niche area only for the elite or rich. its likely pc is the least used game mode of dust yet its meant to be the main point of the game i wouldn't expect a low level grunt like yourself from eon to understand what i'm talking about but i'm sure your overlords who do have a brain might get it. how does not having more planets available benefit pc. sure there will be alot of click for land (isnt that how you got most of your land in the first place) but once the dust settles then the main point of pc can start and that is mass conquest of eve, some will fall at the first hurdle but others will rise to the challenge. if i had isk poring in from a planet i would definately use that to try and conquer more planets. Its simple You fight for land If you dont win, no land for you He thinks EoN clicked for land, sorry wrong alliance that was CRONOS before EoN took over by fighting them for the land
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 229	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:45:00 - [10] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lol I dont want to fight for land i want to click for land If you cant beat whos infront of you then tbh you dont deserve any land you are missing the point. i will fight for land. there just has to be land available to fight for. as it stands all land is owned by mega corps or alliances able to field multiple teams any time of the day. how does that help smaller corps onto the pc ladder. it doesn't. most corps try once and fail and never try again. how does that help pc advance to mainstream combat instead a niche area only for the elite or rich. its likely pc is the least used game mode of dust yet its meant to be the main point of the game i wouldn't expect a low level grunt like yourself from eon to understand what i'm talking about but i'm sure your overlords who do have a brain might get it. how does not having more planets available benefit pc. sure there will be alot of click for land (isnt that how you got most of your land in the first place) but once the dust settles then the main point of pc can start and that is mass conquest of eve, some will fall at the first hurdle but others will rise to the challenge. if i had isk poring in from a planet i would definately use that to try and conquer more planets. Its simple You fight for land If you dont win, no land for you He thinks EoN clicked for land, sorry wrong alliance that was CRONOS before EoN took over by fighting them for the land more like chronos quit cause they seen what was to come out of having only one region open for pc

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3840	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:48:00 - [11] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: currently its only the large alliances or corps that have managed to take and hold the current planets that are available. if (and i believe this is what ccp will do) ccp releases planets in blocks then these corps and alliances will have no problem snapping them up with ease and little opposition. my suggestion is open up all planets everywhere at the same time. this creates a land grab atmosphere allowing not only new corps to snag a planet for themselfs but also gives mega corps and alliances the risk of over streaching themselfs if they grab too much. this in itself would offer opertunity for corps to steal land off them. more planets gives more corps the funds to actually go out there on conquests rather than scraping a clone pack or 2 together over a few weeks or months from player funds. attacking and failing and then starting again or never bothering again as is the current state of play Although it is true that currently it's very easy for a large corp or alliance to grab a hold of a lot of districts throughout the Molden Heath region in New Eden, recent events show that even EoN is having trouble defending their territories from a massive onslaught of all the other small corps that have banded together against them. It's become a classic example of a powerful entity falling real hard because almost every hated. There are even rumors (not sure if they're confirmed) circulating that many corps within EoN are actually giving up by hardly defending their districts when attacked. Twitter feeds from @DUSTAlerts seem to confirm some of the rumors based on the number of districts that TeamPlayers have lost in a single week alone. Owning so much territory even in a region as limited as Molden Heath is already proving to be a challenge to the big corps because now these big corps are having to face off against multiple attacks at once but hardly have enough people online at one time to defend against them all. Although it would be nice to open up all the other regions as I'm sure there are most powerful alliances out there that are interested in controlling the planets within their own regions. We haven't heard much of anything from Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, CFC, etc.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1156	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:54:00 - [12] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: currently its only the large alliances or corps that have managed to take and hold the current planets that are available. if (and i believe this is what ccp will do) ccp releases planets in blocks then these corps and alliances will have no problem snapping them up with ease and little opposition. my suggestion is open up all planets everywhere at the same time. this creates a land grab atmosphere allowing not only new corps to snag a planet for themselfs but also gives mega corps and alliances the risk of over streaching themselfs if they grab too much. this in itself would offer opertunity for corps to steal land off them. more planets gives more corps the funds to actually go out there on conquests rather than scraping a clone pack or 2 together over a few weeks or months from player funds. attacking and failing and then starting again or never bothering again as is the current state of play Although it is true that currently it's very easy for a large corp or alliance to grab a hold of a lot of districts throughout the Molden Heath region in New Eden, recent events show that even EoN is having trouble defending their territories from a massive onslaught of all the other small corps that have banded together against them. It's become a classic example of a powerful entity falling real hard because almost every hated. There are even rumors (not sure if they're confirmed) circulating that many corps within EoN are actually giving up by hardly defending their districts when attacked. Twitter feeds from @DUSTAlerts seem to confirm some of the rumors based on the number of districts that TeamPlayers have lost in a single week alone. Owning so much territory even in a region as limited as Molden Heath is already proving to be a challenge to the big corps because now these big corps are having to face off against multiple attacks at once but hardly have enough people online at one time to defend against them all. Although it would be nice to open up all the other regions as I'm sure there are most powerful alliances out there that are interested in controlling the planets within their own regions. We haven't heard much of anything from Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, CFC, etc. You wont here much from EVE corps tbh Its not worth it currently and they are already rolling in the trillions If and when PC hits up null and it does effect something then maybe they will get into it but remember in null you can zerg about with 300man fleets all with the same fit but you cannot do that in DUST because skill>numbers
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 230	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:59:00 - [13] - Quote null sec dosnt have to be opened up just yet, there are plenty of other low sec regions that could be put up for conquest
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1156	Posted - 2013.08.31 12:16:00 - [14] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: null sec dosnt have to be opened up just yet, there are plenty of other low sec regions that could be put up for conquest No one EVE side seems to care
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative.. 689	Posted - 2013.08.31 12:34:00 - [15] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: currently its only the large alliances or corps that have managed to take and hold the current planets that are available. if (and i believe this is what ccp will do) ccp releases planets in blocks then these corps and alliances will have no problem snapping them up with ease and little opposition. my suggestion is open up all planets everywhere at the same time. this creates a land grab atmosphere allowing not only new corps to snag a planet for themselfs but also gives mega corps and alliances the risk of over streaching themselfs if they grab too much. this in itself would offer opertunity for corps to steal land off them. more planets gives more corps the funds to actually go out there on conquests rather than scraping a clone pack or 2 together over a few weeks or months from player funds. attacking and failing and then starting again or never bothering again as is the current state of play not a good idea. Once a planet district is given out for someone to claim, there's really no way of CCP ever taking that step back. It would be a one way trip.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 636	Posted - 2013.08.31 12:59:00 - [16] - Quote Please everyone remember this when you think about "oh we need more planets open" Yes we do, we all know it, CCP knows it. The problem then is, will planets then have an effect on sovereignty? At the moment EvE is pretty much divided totally up between enourmous alliances of EvE players who have fought and schemed to gain sovereignty over systems. So say all the planets are opened up for PC and all the planets are taken by differn't corps and alliances. Technically then, even if for a brief time, sovereignty over systems may drop which will throw EvE **** up into a shi- storm. And ALOT of EvE players would be furious at this. Then to regain sovereignty they would have to pretty much try and enlist the corps who have planets in their systems into their alliances ect to regain sovereignty. Before a corp from an opposing EvE alliance manages to get one of those corps on it side, leaving the system contested... edit As an thought just now what we need to do is combine EvE and Dust Corps in preparation for full open PC, that way a enourmous war would probably spark off, since then the Dust battles will actually matter to EvE players so they would probably offer what support they can to Dust mercs so that they can take the system
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2869	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:16:00 - [17] - Quote This is an incredibly stupid idea. There are thousands and thousands of terran planets in EVE, and each would have multiple districts. With the current playerbase, every person could have their own personal planet and there'd still be some left over. It's almost like there isn't a problem with alliances farming insane amounts of passive isk at the moment... Oh wait.
Akdhar Saif CybinSect 49	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:51:00 - [18] - Quote What about power projection? What's the point in attempting PC when a large alliance can simply teleport everywhere and own everything? Some form of balance has to be implemented so transport is limited.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Top Men. 451	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:57:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lol I dont want to fight for land i want to click for land If you cant beat whos infront of you then tbh you dont deserve any land This is the current problem with PC right here, the only corps that have the ability to hold the districts (like redstar) are the ones who obsess over PC matches, creating A-teams, B-teams, C-teams, etc. all in the mission to crush the indie corps that want to have a hold in PC in any way. Now, while I'm not trying to say that that's illegal or a horrible thing, it does create an un-pleasant experience for every single indie corp that doesn't perhaps have the time to scheme for hours upon hours on strategies and A-teams, etc. And when CCP said they were going to "open PC" I assumed that they were making everything 100% available, but when they compressed it into one solar system, it **** things up. Even though Dust has a low player-base, it's still too high to support the **** amount of planets they made available in PC, and I'm dissapointed that CCP couldn't do a little better from the start. That being said, I think indie corps deserve the right to comfortably experience PC in an equal-balanced setting, such as an indie solar system or something along those lines, where indies can fight all they want with eachother without needing to worry about giant mega-corps coming in to stomp them and take every district on every planet.
Chris F2112 High-Damage 384	Posted - 2013.08.31 14:06:00 - [20] - Quote Even if they do open up all of New Eden, what stopping better players fron simply taking your land after you buy it? Maybe thrre could be a few more districts open, but either way the small corps are going to be unable to hold land.

ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 239	Posted - 2013.08.31 18:31:00 - [21] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: Even if they do open up all of New Eden, what stopping better players fron simply taking your land after you buy it? Maybe thrre could be a few more districts open, but either way the small corps are going to be unable to hold land. you could say the same about eve sov. big alliances control all regions yet small corps still get to take part because there is just so much space. too much for even the biggest alliance to keep track off which is why they let smaller corps in. a big dust alliance could try and take all of eve's planets but thats going to stretch them thin leaving them open to attack by anyone. small corps having a even a single district is still a small corp taking part in pc, the fact there are allot of districts and planets available makes it less likely they would get stomped by a big alliance unless you set up shop right next door. even if they do hold it for a short period someone still had to take it of them. with so much space to take its likely new corps would be fighting between each other or banding together with other corps on their planet to protect it.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 211	Posted - 2013.08.31 18:43:00 - [22] - Quote Everyone knows that we definitely need more land. However, it isn't that easy but is also pretty awesome. - Not all of New Eden is made up of deserts. There are actually a variety of climates and environments across the regions. As a result, a number of new maps would have to be made for those regions. CCP even mentioned that one planet will have maps where chunks of ground will just be floating in mid air for us to fight on. - Story-wise, these planets are also populated. Currently, mercs were given Molden Heath by the Thukker Tribe of the Minmatar Republic. The reason they were willing to let us occupy Molden Heath is because it is not a very important or particularly nice region. As we have seen, it's all pretty much deserts and the facilities that we now occupy were largely unused and previously occupied by the Angel Cartel. Since we came in, the cartel was forced to leave and we sort of ended up as a police force in Molden Heath. In the same report though, it was mentioned that "experts" are concerned that Heath is too small for all of us and that we will expand. Obviously, this will cause problems for the more major regions of Caldari, Amarr, Gallente, and Minmatar space. Meaning even Capsuleers won't be happy once we knock down the doors on the most valuable regions.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1257	Posted - 2013.08.31 19:02:00 - [23] - Quote We should really open up like 4 more regions.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 25	Posted - 2013.08.31 19:35:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: currently its only the large alliances or corps that have managed to take and hold the current planets that are available. if (and i believe this is what ccp will do) ccp releases planets in blocks then these corps and alliances will have no problem snapping them up with ease and little opposition. my suggestion is open up all planets everywhere at the same time. this creates a land grab atmosphere allowing not only new corps to snag a planet for themselfs but also gives mega corps and alliances the risk of over streaching themselfs if they grab too much. this in itself would offer opertunity for corps to steal land off them. more planets gives more corps the funds to actually go out there on conquests rather than scraping a clone pack or 2 together over a few weeks or months from player funds. attacking and failing and then starting again or never bothering again as is the current state of play Although it is true that currently it's very easy for a large corp or alliance to grab a hold of a lot of districts throughout the Molden Heath region in New Eden, recent events show that even EoN is having trouble defending their territories from a massive onslaught of all the other small corps that have banded together against them. It's become a classic example of a powerful entity falling real hard because almost every hated. There are even rumors (not sure if they're confirmed) circulating that many corps within EoN are actually giving up by hardly defending their districts when attacked. Twitter feeds from @DUSTAlerts seem to confirm some of the rumors based on the number of districts that TeamPlayers have lost in a single week alone. Owning so much territory even in a region as limited as Molden Heath is already proving to be a challenge to the big corps because now these big corps are having to face off against multiple attacks at once but hardly have enough people online at one time to defend against them all. Although it would be nice to open up all the other regions as I'm sure there are most powerful alliances out there that are interested in controlling the planets within their own regions. We haven't heard much of anything from Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, CFC, etc. +1 EoN is overextended. The rumors are true, and all you have to do is look at Malden Heath to see it, and we have seen it first hand. Give it time, and things should continue equalize, as EoN's mouth will continue to be proven larger than their stomach.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 237	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote ^^this, even id the largest alliance tires to take all the districts across multiple regions they would hardly be able to defend all of them , opening more regions will give other corps/alliances a chance to gain some teritory
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1125	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:04:00 - [26] - Quote Yup when EON got blitzed they literally got stressed out and ended up locking their own districts by attacking themselves with alternate corps. More lands doesn't essentially mean more power for whichever alliance is at the top.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 203	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:06:00 - [27] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: currently its only the large alliances or corps that have managed to take and hold the current planets that are available. if (and i believe this is what ccp will do) ccp releases planets in blocks then these corps and alliances will have no problem snapping them up with ease and little opposition. my suggestion is open up all planets everywhere at the same time. this creates a land grab atmosphere allowing not only new corps to snag a planet for themselfs but also gives mega corps and alliances the risk of over streaching themselfs if they grab too much. this in itself would offer opertunity for corps to steal land off them. more planets gives more corps the funds to actually go out there on conquests rather than scraping a clone pack or 2 together over a few weeks or months from player funds. attacking and failing and then starting again or never bothering again as is the current state of play All planets? As in every planet in EVE? It's only the Temperate planet types that are inhabitable anyway. That's not much more; but, would cause less competition. Most regions are either locked down by big alliances anyway and the other regions are NPC controlled and therefore no one cares.
TunRa Ill Omens 111	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:09:00 - [28] - Quote CCP should just open up metropolis for PC. It's large size and number of planets would be a great next step in opening all of New Eden.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3850	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:17:00 - [29] - Quote TunRa wrote: CCP should just open up metropolis for PC. It's large size and number of planets would be a great next step in opening all of New Eden. The Heinmatar region is a good spot to start as well given the fact that Rens (one of the four major trade hubs) is located there.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 241	Posted - 2013.09.01 11:05:00 - [30] - Quote a risk with incrementally opening up space region by region is its far easier for an alliance to take it all and sweep everyone aside. if you open it all up then that alliance only has limited players and time to capture planets. they can't send clones to attack all planets and simultaneously defend there own. lets say they own 50 districts and have 50 teams available throughout their alliance. they can defend all their districts. lets say they have 25 in reserve to protect their planets and 25 to expand their borders. they take 25 more districts. now if they are attacked simultaneously on all districts they will not be able to protect them all and will lose some. if they dedicate 25 to attack and 25 to defend but all 50 get attacked then they risk losing half their space. currently an alliance growth is based on how much forces it needs to protect its assets. at the moment the area of space to own is small enough for an alliance or 2 to do that or gradually increase its size to compensate for every district it takes. more alliances will form if more space is available and we will see wars much like have been raging in eve for years or as we currently have with 1 or 2 corps or alliances fighting each other for what little space there is while the rest of us just ignore pc completely



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