DUST Search - The AScR is Terribad

Amarrian Desperado wrote:

Laser weapons do not produce any recoil. That would be completely ridiculous.
The amount of energy a laser would need to emit to have recoil detectable to the average person without extremely precise scientific equipment is utterly beyond the scope of any man-portable weapon system.

So what, then, is this "recoil" mercenaries are experiencing in the field when using our divine weapons?

Data from test dropsuits indicate that this phenomenon is caused by involuntary muscle twitching in the arms and upper torso when the trigger is pulled. While the cause of these spasms remains unknown to the heathen scientists defiling our weapons, it is well known to True Amarr.

It is your soul flinching in fear of the Holy Light emanating from the divine device. True believers do not recoil in fright as they immolate the unclean, their weapons stay true and never waver from their target.

Embrace the Faith, and you will find that no mercenary can resist your Scrambler Rifle.

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Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2831	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:10:00 - [31] - Quote Kage Roth wrote: Funny thing is I went 33-3 just a couple hours ago with the proto ASR. I think it may just be you. You have to keep the weakness to armor in mind though and may have to use an SMG or flaylock to help with gallente or amarr suits. The thing chews through minmatar and caldari though. You could have posted that score with a Duvolle much more easily because it has so much less dispersion than the ASCR.
LoveNewlooy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 69	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:11:00 - [32] - Quote need to fix the flash and less recoil i dont mind put some skill point on less recoil. just make it fast =S
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 234	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:52:00 - [33] - Quote Think of it as a better breach AR in CQC,the kick it has makes it crap at mid range
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 301	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:55:00 - [34] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I just can't make the thing work and I have SCR Operation V, SCR Prof III, SCR Ammo II, and SCR Reload I. Between the insane muzzle flash, horrid spread (or maybe it's me over compensating due to the muzzle flash) and laughable damage to armor, I just can't use the AScR effectively. Semi auto SCR's I utterly wreck people with though. They are fine, use them properly..
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 775	Posted - 2013.08.30 08:10:00 - [35] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I just can't make the thing work and I have SCR Operation V, SCR Prof III, SCR Ammo II, and SCR Reload I. Between the insane muzzle flash, horrid spread (or maybe it's me over compensating due to the muzzle flash) and laughable damage to armor, I just can't use the AScR effectively. Semi auto SCR's I utterly wreck people with though. just use an AR. they are better at everything. I got an Ascr but... its just not as good as an AR
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 775	Posted - 2013.08.30 08:11:00 - [36] - Quote LoveNewlooy wrote: need to fix the flash and less recoil i dont mind put some skill point on less recoil. just make it fast =S the flash i can understand... but recoil? i mean it fires light! the lastime i checked i didnt get any recoil when switching on my flashlight
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 775	Posted - 2013.08.30 08:12:00 - [37] - Quote Kage Roth wrote: Funny thing is I went 33-3 just a couple hours ago with the proto ASR. I think it may just be you. You have to keep the weakness to armor in mind though and may have to use an SMG or flaylock to help with gallente or amarr suits. The thing chews through minmatar and caldari though. If your using proto caldari assault or logi you can go 33-3 with just about any weapon
Rei Shepard Spectre II 476	Posted - 2013.08.30 08:45:00 - [38] - Quote Kage Roth wrote: Funny thing is I went 33-3 just a couple hours ago with the proto ASR. I think it may just be you. You have to keep the weakness to armor in mind though and may have to use an SMG or flaylock to help with gallente or amarr suits. The thing chews through minmatar and caldari though. Witch could just mean that there were allot of scrubs on the board that happened to run into your crosshairs, it happens from time to time, i very doubt you run 33-3 each game consistently.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 112	Posted - 2013.08.30 10:01:00 - [39] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: It's like the AR has variants that are pretty viable. But they give the Amarr a variant that has terrible dispersion. If you use the assault version and don't hold down the fire, but use bursts it's a little helpful. Also I think I've found that if you kneel to shoot it helps a bit more with the spread and hip fire. But that makes you pretty vulnerable. And the dude that says it doesn't shoot as far as an AR is just plain wrong. It's not as far as a TAC AR, but it has a better optimal and much better effective range. But it's dispersion just makes it altogether less reliable The problem with the AsCR is not kickback or diespersion its because it does not benefit the same way from skill like the AR. From my experience if you 0SP in AR and compare that AR to the AsCR the AsCR wins in nearly every aspect. But the AR becomes very powerfull trough the skills AR operation and sharpshooter while the AsCR gains nothing from skills (currently).
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 293	Posted - 2013.08.30 10:14:00 - [40] - Quote what the guy above me said. give the ScR the sharpshooter skill option, if people want a beastly accurate AScR give it to them through SP. but the aiming fixes might help it ALLOOT in 1.4.

Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 623	Posted - 2013.08.30 10:31:00 - [41] - Quote the ASR is god, just you will struggle with armor based targets, but the muzzle flash does make it next to impossible to see the crosshair so your not even sure your aiming on them most of the time
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 222	Posted - 2013.08.30 10:36:00 - [42] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: The ASR is my main weapon of choice, now is it better than the AR...no, but is it more fun whooping with an underused weapon...yes I don't even notice the muzzle flash anymore because Ive used it so much. You just got to get the feel of the gun, once you do that, the gun will kill many. ^^^exactly^^^
CrotchGrab 360 High-Damage 219	Posted - 2013.08.30 11:19:00 - [43] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I just can't make the thing work and I have SCR Operation V, SCR Prof III, SCR Ammo II, and SCR Reload I. Between the insane muzzle flash, horrid spread (or maybe it's me over compensating due to the muzzle flash) and laughable damage to armor, I just can't use the AScR effectively. Semi auto SCR's I utterly wreck people with though. Do you mean the one with 70+ rounds? Yeh I can't get on with that one either.
Protocake JR Ancient Exiles 588	Posted - 2013.08.30 11:31:00 - [44] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I just can't make the thing work and I have SCR Operation V, SCR Prof III, SCR Ammo II, and SCR Reload I. Between the insane muzzle flash, horrid spread (or maybe it's me over compensating due to the muzzle flash) and laughable damage to armor, I just can't use the AScR effectively. Semi auto SCR's I utterly wreck people with though. Do you mean the one with 70+ rounds? Yeh I can't get on with that one either. The one with 70+ rounds has high dispersion, debilitating muzzle flash, a yellow dot that disappears, and sights/flash that turn enemies invisible. In other words, lots and lots of unique ways to miss your target.
Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1252	Posted - 2013.09.11 18:47:00 - [45] - Quote After trying the AScR again afer 1.4's release, the verdict is that it still feels the same. Insane recoil Seizure inducing muzzle flash Not enough "oomph" unless point blank Once again, the semi auto SCR is just fine, but the assault variant feels like the bastard child of the SCR's. I mean come on, you know something is wrong when you fire the weapon and the shots spray out in a cone pattern -_-'
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8343	Posted - 2013.09.11 18:58:00 - [46] - Quote Needs sharpshooter.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.09.11 18:59:00 - [47] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: After trying the AScR again afer 1.4's release, the verdict is that it still feels the same. Insane recoil Seizure inducing muzzle flash Not enough "oomph" unless point blank Once again, the semi auto SCR is just fine, but the assault variant feels like the bastard child of the SCR's. I mean come on, you know something is wrong when you fire the weapon and the shots spray out in a cone pattern -_-' QFT. Plus, the armor buff makes it even worse. It was almost acceptable back when people would have 80% of their EHP in shields, but the armor tanking renaissance makes it unusable. Never mind the lore aspect. I hear shooting light beams causes massive recoil, because of.... uh.... all the.... inertia? As another variant option, I'd like to see a scrambler that has a minimum charge time before firing like the charge SR, with an optimal of 70M+ (to keep it above the Tac AR). The current ~50M optimal puts the SCR on basically the same range profile as a Duvolle AR in terms of effectiveness, and that's really hurting its utility.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1307	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:00:00 - [48] - Quote i go 20 what ever a match with it...dont see what people are finding hard to use :\|
Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1252	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:06:00 - [49] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Needs sharpshooter. This would really help with it "firing in a cone pattern." As another poster stated, the armor buff in 1.4 was a passive nerf to the SCR's - semi auto SCR included. I run the Imp SCR primarily and or the first time after 1.4 dropped I started struggling with it. I could get through shields no problem, but the increased amor HP values makes killing with the IMP tougher than it was. I'm finding that enemies now have time to flee from my IMP shots before I can finish them of. Unfortunately this passive SCR nerf has lead me to use the AR as my main now. All SCR's in my fits have been replaced by AR's.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 359	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:18:00 - [50] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Needs sharpshooter. AR's need to lose Sharp Shooter and have more base dispersion on sustained fire. AScR isnt bad - its the Amarr variant of the AR. I would expect it to have a bit more range but less punch than the AR. - Problem is that the AR has too much range and skills that make it a bullet hose.

R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 424	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:18:00 - [51] - Quote Wrong thread...
Nick nugg3t United Universe Corp 123	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:32:00 - [52] - Quote yah It isnt for everyone but those who can Utilize the power that thing has you will feel the buuuurn it hurts man same with the Lazer Rifle
Amarrian Desperado Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:40:00 - [53] - Quote Laser weapons do not produce any recoil. That would be completely ridiculous. The amount of energy a laser would need to emit to have recoil detectable to the average person without extremely precise scientific equipment is utterly beyond the scope of any man-portable weapon system. So what, then, is this "recoil" mercenaries are experiencing in the field when using our divine weapons? Data from test dropsuits indicate that this phenomenon is caused by involuntary muscle twitching in the arms and upper torso when the trigger is pulled. While the cause of these spasms remains unknown to the heathen scientists defiling our weapons, it is well known to True Amarr. It is your soul flinching in fear of the Holy Light emanating from the divine device. True believers do not recoil in fright as they immolate the unclean, their weapons stay true and never waver from their target. Embrace the Faith, and you will find that no mercenary can resist your Scrambler Rifle.
Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1253	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:46:00 - [54] - Quote Amarrian Desperado wrote: Laser weapons do not produce any recoil. That would be completely ridiculous. The amount of energy a laser would need to emit to have recoil detectable to the average person without extremely precise scientific equipment is utterly beyond the scope of any man-portable weapon system. So what, then, is this "recoil" mercenaries are experiencing in the field when using our divine weapons? Data from test dropsuits indicate that this phenomenon is caused by involuntary muscle twitching in the arms and upper torso when the trigger is pulled. While the cause of these spasms remains unknown to the heathen scientists defiling our weapons, it is well known to True Amarr. It is your soul flinching in fear of the Holy Light emanating from the divine device. True believers do not recoil in fright as they immolate the unclean, their weapons stay true and never waver from their target. Embrace the Faith, and you will find that no mercenary can resist your Scrambler Rifle. Yeah that was beautiful an all, but for some unknown reason, CCP incorporated recoil into the SCR's.


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