HAV atm have no clear mission in the game. They are a crutch, an extra 7k ehp for a lone soldier to roll around and shoot at infantry while still protected by whatever dropsuit they use.

Its hard to balance HAV ehp against AV because all AV are situational, there are no omni damage weapons that deal with the different types of HAV that are present.

Straight up, get rid of HAV or buff them and make the gunner and pilot seperate. Making AV work in groups against a HAV is only credible if it takes a group to operate a game changer like a HAV in the first place.

Otherwise, let single AV destroy HAV, the AV runner needs to take the risk to be inefficient against the primary threat (infantry) while at the same time the HAV pilot effectively has a second life (his dropsuit).

What is the main aspect of a HAV then? Aside from your personal murder wagon?

Single AVs have been destroying tanks since tanks were invented I dont see the difference in this game, however if they change the fundamentals of HAV operation to make it more of a squad/tandem design, then yea that would warrant a greater response from the opposing team.

1 trooper rolling about in a HAV himself? Gtfo lol, let that thing die to solitary FG and SL all day long.

your tank was almost mine void echo
remember?

What I've taken from Wolfman's posting about how survivability is going to work for tanks, is that Pilots can either use high defense machines with low killing power, or they can build high damage fragile models that can use defensive modules with high cooldowns, but the era of the murder machine with consistently great defense isn't coming back. You gotta choose one or the other. Makes sense to me.

Am not speaking from any bias but from a perspective of achieving balance. For instance all my SP invested in SL would be a waste if there was no vehicles to shoot at. On the other hand why would a HAV pilot want to give away any of his advantage?

I enjoy shooting HAV/LAV/DS but I do need targets, I dont think what I said was so unreasonable a suggestion than say, HAV pilots wanting to be in a position where 1 player necessitates a response from more than 1 other on the opposing team.

Its not even the players fault that there are so many HAV/AV hate threads going about, CCP released PRO AV and not their counterparts, am in favour of losing PRO AV if CCP have a plan to balance vehicles on the whole at STD level, the problem isnt just with dealing with HAV though, AV runners need to deal with all vehicles and if HAV are slow then **** man, thats your problem. However it becomes everybodies problem if HAV become powerful to the extent that it breaks the game. Why would people log in to the threat of getting stomped by HAV if the game itself forces people to spec into FG/SL to take out errant HAV or otherwise just be murdered?

I cant speak of the effectiveness of STD FG against your HAV but am damn sure if your a good pilot then STD SL wont be causing you greif if its comming from 1 red. **** needs to be balanced.

So then as a HAV pilot what do you consider a balanced AV response to the threat you bring to the battlefield? In your opinion what is the fair equaliser to HAV in terms of manpower the other team needs to bring in?