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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:53:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:in case you haven't noticed I can lock down the entire galaxy if I so chose.. indefinitely.
Its profitable, easy, and quite frankly im inclined to do it JUST to spite people with your kind of viewpoint.
at the SAME time im looking to help those get a piece of the pie that I believe deserve it. and there are a good number that do.
so hit me up Wait locking the system means you lose ISK? Well still if Mavado is right then it doesn't matter, you're gone soon? or is Mavado wrong? Still if they deserve a disrict then they should prove it by... taking a district and not buying one...
Sure you lose some isk but all we'd do is break even by winning other pc attacks. We've proven that we can beat AE, the best opponent aligned with the FEC, with a clone pack.
I argued that this is too soon, but Cubs wisely wants to preemptively avoid any player burnout with the tourney being the endgoal, not fattening wallets in a gamemode that we've broken.
We get people will see this as us giving up and the FEC winning, but we frankly couldn't give a **** about the 100-400 players that check this place.
We in TeamPlayers have beaten everyone. Repeatedly. And now some of my peeps are quitting and playing final fantasy as am I (I just happen to really want to take back about 20 districts from all the sh1bum corps and AE while locking down the rest so when we did have cubs do this you had no excuse like the daisha loqaisha lafanda alt in this thread is asserting about a downfall.)
But if you want to pretend like TP's didn't own this war, go ahead, make my day.
I have been impressed with the efforts, but by no means has it lessened our resolve to win. It just happened that FF14 and Payday2 came out. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:16:00 -
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D ofDk wrote:You know by urself why it is so hard for even organized corps to take you down.
Corps with no districts needs to buy a clone pack with only 120 clones in it.
As your team and let me say most of EoN is holding Cargo Hubs, you need to beat 450 clones with the 120 you brought into the war AND you are not allowed to loose a single clone cause you cant re-attack if youre under 100.
Only if you have some districts its possible to ship clones and bring more then 120 clones into a war which will make it possible to re-attack.
You guys are playing good together, thats true. You have tactical teamplay, thats true. But if no one can come with more then 120 clones, its not possible to bring down your districts.
Right?
Last but not least,
the game mechanics, especially the drop down frame rate by massive MD spamm, plus the ping situation which is very bad for us EU located teams, makes it even harder.
How else can it be possible that you face very often that there is no hit detection even if a core grenade is exploding beside someone...
This game is fun but far away from competitive or something i would call ready for e-sports. And trust me, i like to meet organized teams like you.
We beat the toughest competition in the game with a clone pack....it's not impossible. If Ancient Exiles can be beaten with a clone pack....then so can everyone else. If you'd like we will attack a UPS district and prove we can beat any UPS/RofL team with 120 clones.
If the FEC was smart they would have sent in clone packs, made sure to lose 201 clones, and then reattacked the next day, won and made sure to lose 21 clones, reattacked the next day. It is highly unlikely you could win a hub in one night, but you could win it over 3 nights without much trouble.
So yes, we beat AE on their hub last night with a clone back and have the reattack tonight. Then again the FEC has districts to launch attacks from.
You can spare us the whole e-peen e-sport deal. We're scrubs and we take pride in our scrubbiness.
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:01:00 -
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IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: SO again I ask why lock the districts that you not afraid of losing is a fight?
We already beat back the zerg, but don't care or feel the need to do it indefinitely...rather sell them off TBH.
Zerging with less skilled to little skilled corps means the only ones to get districts are the AE and Seraphim guys (proof is they are the only ones to take districts, and they did because we had 2 many timers).
We would rather sell the districts off to other corps sans AE and Seraphim lolol. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:03:00 -
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IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: SO you're saying you're willing to exploit the mechanics by locking your districts with blue or alt corps so that they are never vulnerable to an attack by actual DUST players, and you're different from SHAKA KHAN in what way?
Kettle meet Pot he said you were black
SMH How is this an exploit?
Can you not hit the timers? Just gotta pay attention
We're different cause we beat everyone. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:12:00 -
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Welp when the timers go back online hit them before we do. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:16:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: SO you're saying you're willing to exploit the mechanics by locking your districts with blue or alt corps so that they are never vulnerable to an attack by actual DUST players, and you're different from SHAKA KHAN in what way?
Kettle meet Pot he said you were black
SMH How is this an exploit? Can you not hit the timers? Just gotta pay attention We're different cause we beat everyone. They're different because they're Americans... Not those tea sipping Brits... Just to say I'd rather deal with SI they don't act like they're farmers...
Act like farmers? Hey just saying when we started locking up timers saturday...there was only 9 fights in.
Pretty sure the FEC was ready for a day off as well
We want good fights...13 fights in an hour vs sh1tbums isn't good fights. 1-2 fights an hour vs AE and anyone else that can compete, that's our competitive FPS. If you want to get stomped on then let's dance, but don't pretend you'd want that punishment without knowing there's a ton of other stacked timers praying your sacrifice is helping one of those battles be a no show, and thus not competitive, for the lucky corp. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:44:00 -
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IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: SO you're saying you're willing to exploit the mechanics by locking your districts with blue or alt corps so that they are never vulnerable to an attack by actual DUST players, and you're different from SHAKA KHAN in what way?
Kettle meet Pot he said you were black
SMH How is this an exploit? Can you not hit the timers? Just gotta pay attention We're different cause we beat everyone. They're different because they're Americans... Not those tea sipping Brits... Just to say I'd rather deal with SI they don't act like they're farmers... Act like farmers? Hey just saying when we started locking up timers saturday...there was only 9 fights in. Pretty sure the FEC was ready for a day off as well We want good fights...13 fights in an hour vs sh1tbums isn't good fights. 1-2 fights an hour vs AE and anyone else that can compete, that's our competitive FPS. If you want to get stomped on then let's dance, but don't pretend you'd want that punishment without knowing there's a ton of other stacked timers praying your sacrifice is helping one of those battles be a no show, and thus not competitive, for the lucky corp. So you are afraid of losing a districts, but instead of being the awesome juggernaut that your are and growing your ranks and training others and in general making TP and EON better and being able to hold what you've amassed, you'd rather be a *****. OK i can live with that at least now I can be clear on how LEET you really are. Good luck with your 15 minutes.
I disagree, respectfully.
Afraid? No. Its a video game, come on... But why lose them to AE when I could sell them to others? Rather have a colorful MH than have AE with 20% of the board (even if they posted saying they never wanted lots of land ).
Growing ranks? We have. But you can't grow quality. You can't grow leadership. That **** is innate. There's about 200 players in this game that have the potential to be on a top level, there's about 400 in my estimation that are on my level a bit below the top level, and then there's 95% of the player population that aren't on those 2 levels. If dust had a larger playerbase, sure we could keep recruiting talent. But you got 50+ corps to zerg 8. It didn't work against TeamPlayers, the ones it theoretically should have worked the most against (cause we had more timers than 6 combined corps in EoN, and more than the top other 3 landholders combined.
Doesn't matter that we are the best, and everyone knows it from our beatings. No one could ever hold what we have amassed against a community wide zerg without committing their lives to this game...sorry bro. We got real lives...I wanna go get a drink on Saturday and not feel like my team is crippled cause maybe zdub or fiddle checked out as well. When we're on we're really competitive, but we're not always on.
We're not even decent....or anything close to 1337.
We loved our Summer of fun...but schools back in session. Paychecks were good and now we'l start smashing people again when we care to.
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:49:00 -
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Spec Ops Cipher wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I just want to point out here to all the trolls.
FEC attacks TeamPlayers... TeamPlayers goes from 28% ownership to 31% ownership of PC.
Yeah, we won. But whats the point? Time to give back to the masses. Give everyone what they want, land, and a chance at PC.
We just want to make sure its profitable for us as well. Did you notice that TP absorbed those districts from PI? They gave em all to you, because they can't defend em on their own.
You mean cause real life? We onwed 27% and took districts from Mass Terror, Pro Hic, and others during the war.
However. Zdub's comment was misleading. We did absorb districts from PI and only gained 1% of MH during the war from owning other people.
Just to be honest. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:51:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:
There's also the alliance to call on. However you look at it, locking the districts is just bad sportsmanship. Each to his own.
Sorry you feel that way. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:49:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:
There's also the alliance to call on. However you look at it, locking the districts is just bad sportsmanship. Each to his own.
Sorry you feel that way. Yeah, not knocking it, just my opinion, if that's what you wish to do that's your business. I'm sure many in the same position would do so too. EDIT: the fact that you are selling them on and excluding certain corps from the sales as to not repeat the cycle is a good thing.
+1 |
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:10:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:You guys are just so full of yourself. I swear, I have tried to see a good side of you(EoN)but the more you post, the more I can see the ignorance and arrogance.
this "I argued that this is too soon, but Cubs wisely wants to preemptively avoid any player burnout with the tourney being the endgoal, not fattening wallets in a gamemode that we've broken."
So now YOU have broken the game lol....Excuse me, but I am pretty sure it has been broken for some time. You are just taking advantage of mechanics. Locking your won districts? Not much better than the melee glitch. Only 16v16?? I'd love to see you fight 32v32 or 64v64. A different ballgame all together.But, we will not see that happen anytime soon.
I am curious though, does Cubs make you guys tweak your own nipples while you look in the mirror winking at yourselves?
I will assume he does.
Sorry was busy and didn't see this.
Umm...we broke the game is a reference to all the EoN haters that have been saying we did, not my words, I just adopted them. You can take issue with my words, I don't care if you think they are arrogant. Locking districts is a tactic. Go ask the dev's is it's cheating same way we did...if they had said melee glitch/exploiting was not a glitch/exploit we'd have sallied forth against it.
Go ask the dev's if using an alt corp to lock districts is exploiting. You guys say it is. But why is it? I'm just wondering? Can you not look at the starmap and intercept when it goes online? Would it be much different if we just said "Hey we're gonna go get better for the community by attacking each other and having the fun at our liesure g/l h/f with what's left of MH!" ???
Taking advantage and exploiting are different. Melee Glitch is an exploit on the battlefield..this is mechanics of PC the dev's implemented and have been used before by others before us. Want examples?
If this game goes 32v32 or 64v64 I'll be back. But I'm going to go have fun in FF and play this on the side when I care to or cubs needs his A-Team.
So go snipe some contracts or get a dev to say it's an exploit. If it is I will leave TeamPlayers if they don't agree to stop it. Proly go join that indie corp with 5 guys and get that KEQ guy to admit we're ballers |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:25:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Any of you non EoN people still feel like drinking this guys coolaid?
Heck, any of you bored out of your minds EoN people feel like changing things around a little bit?
Zatara? You almost bit at the idea to switch sides, or perhaps your response was just a troll... anyone else?
And where would I go? lolol AE? When the troll are always rampant and the alts dox your life when you own them trashtalking with logic and anyone on their streets would take pleasure in making you into suicide if they could? Where anything to get a winning record is fair game and the leadershit steals and lets angel and zbroadway listen in on private convo's that end up ripping the corp apart? Wacka wacka doo doo yeah?
Me and you can talk civil ER, prove me herewith that locking under these circumstances is an exploit and it sufficeth me.
I drink no man's koolaid.
Personally like I said I wanted or team to not falter and own these attacks like we have been. I got stamina.
But with FF14 out and Payday2 PI was already going to proly fall...lordchaos just isn't there enough.
And our guys? Sure we could hold this **** down and we did, we proved it. We were attacked 43 times and defended them all 23 the next day and owned them all...we built this. I came here because I thought I'd go somewhere that wasn't well known and show them that I was a worthy addition. I feel like I achieved everything I set out to do? Unless AE finds some new talent our 30 man corp can consistently win against anyone...
Short story is IN ALL HONESTY....I still want to play this war out....but I am in a minority against the wave of FF14 players and guys that are focusing on school and work are simply unable to play as much as we did to obtain all this land.
I'm not here to bs or chest pound. And if I am I'll gladly apologize. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:58:00 -
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@ ER
I ask for a dev to confirm it's an exploit.
I meant advantage as in beneficial...but not unfair. As in just because I have an advantage (say because I'm more athletic) doesn't mean I have it unfairly or exploited. But let's not play semantics. You get the point I made.
If people couldn't attack us by watching timers...then PC would be broke. If we could make profits form locking up...PC would be broke. Get a dev on it and I'll do everything I can to stop it's use.
Otherwise it seems like you guys are unsure it's truly an exploit that needs fixing...perhaps because it doesn't and it's a strategic way of controlling the land you've won.
0.02 isk.
I drink no mans Kool-aid and love logical conversations. Also...bacon |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:20:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:@ ER
I ask for a dev to confirm it's an exploit.
I meant advantage as in beneficial...but not unfair. As in just because I have an advantage (say because I'm more athletic) doesn't mean I have it unfairly or exploited. But let's not play semantics. You get the point I made.
If people couldn't attack us by watching timers...then PC would be broke. If we could make profits form locking up...PC would be broke. Get a dev on it and I'll do everything I can to stop it's use.
Otherwise it seems like you guys are unsure it's truly an exploit that needs fixing...perhaps because it doesn't and it's a strategic way of controlling the land you've won.
0.02 isk.
I drink no mans Kool-aid and love logical conversations. Also...bacon Cool beans. I am learning as I go, and up until Zelkain posted TP's "secrets" I honestly didnt even know it was going on.
Yup we started locking them up Sat night when the fighting began to die so we could tell our guys they could have guaranteed days off. LOLOL fight 100+ battles and I'd say it was time for a day off.
To be upfront locking them up was my idea. I told them some guys needed a few days to get back up and cited the AE loss as a principal case in point of us losing fights because our guys weren't fresh. Last night we won against AE (with arirana got over 20+ again) with a clone pack and freshly rested players.
If locking was not an option I doubt the stamina of all our guys would rival the stamina of cubs, xero, hightimes, fiddle, doc, and I. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:04:00 -
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Maybe...if we'd lost a bunch and that was the reason we locked them....but we only lost like 10-12 fights...and one district. No doubt about it teamplayers could destroy this war for our own districts...can't speak for the alliance however.
But we locked em cause I wanted a full day off....the attacks we already diminishing.
Did we ever say we could own MH prior to this war? I must have missed that....proof or are you lying?
The only ones I see throwing a fit is the haters on locking....and I'm trying to have a conversation about it that no one is engaging in... |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:29:00 -
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IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:ZR I appreciate your candor and honestly and am only trolling because of the obvious hypocrisy. I have to ask in your endeavors of domination from two districts to your current success did anyone try and lock block you from attacking? What was your impression of that opponent?
Look I'll make no claims of being able to take a district from you but I find it awfully frustrating that you can prevent even the effort by "taking a break" especially when the entire community is constantly being bleated with how great and unstoppable you are. All I've ever heard from Mavado and Cubs is that the only way to get better is to fight the better competition. Guess what we hear that loud and clear and here to answer that call, where are you?
Yes. Though locking districts is an expensive means of avoiding. Less so now, but still most couldn't afford to do this. Delta Force did this I remember and it cost them quite a bit.
The main way people have tried to avoid fights with us is by setting timers to early morning when they wouldn't even be on.
Pro Hic, Mass Terror, WarRavens...you name it...some even sent mails saying to the effect of "Good luck waking up early for this one b1tches." And it was a legitimate tactic....we didn't cry here about having to be extra diligent in order to secure those districts...and with a little diligence you guys could snipe contracts...see where I'm coming from?
I personally led the attack recently that trolololod Mass Terror's district, even with 10-12 ringers from Nyan San. I had to get up at 4 am...and organize a battle. It wasn't funsies like doing it at 8pm, but I wanted it bad enough. I wanted it more than Mass Terror did anyways...
I can see that it's frustrating to have all that momentum especially with PI basically calling it quits, and your guys using AE with Arirana to get some districts from SyN and Red* along with the multiple stacked timers resulting in a few wins as well, and just plain winning against Giant and Rogue Spades...
You guys deserve what you've won. We stacked em and we lost em. You won em fair and square.
Now, at our own expense we can play it similar to how many tried to avoid fights by locking up....and fighting unburdened by our timers vulnerability...but we can't do it forever...
Is it hypocritical to do it?
If we'd locked up from the beginning then yes completely hypocritical. And I would be fighting against EoN with whoever I deem to have the teamwork and dedication to win.
But we met you head on and didn't lock a thing for 5 days. I want to keep going. i want catharsis....but don't keep putting in one attack each day from 5 corps and AE and call it a war...day one was war...day 2 was war...day 3 was war....day 4 you guys stopped attacking...day 5 I rarely heard any calls for help in EoN PC....and I beat AE's 120 clones pack attempt (and laugh now because the AE alt said they only lost cause 120 clones cause we beat them with 120 yesterday)
Overall..I want more conversation. where are you coming from? Do you see at all where I'm coming from?
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:36:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Maybe...if we'd lost a bunch and that was the reason we locked them....but we only lost like 10-12 fights...and one district. No doubt about it teamplayers could destroy this war for our own districts...can't speak for the alliance however.
But we locked em cause I wanted a full day off....the attacks we already diminishing.
Did we ever say we could own MH prior to this war? I must have missed that....proof or are you lying?
The only ones I see throwing a fit is the haters on locking....and I'm trying to have a conversation about it that no one is engaging in... Cubs has been throwing that line around a lot, Im not going to hunt through every single thread hes done some posturing in though since that would take all day and you right now saying your corp alone could destroy the war also carries implications of "We can do whatever we want and no one can stop us" despite locking them showing no you guys really cant if you need to call for a time out to rest up Now Ive looked through the thread and you have been seemingly the most reasonable but its the kind of duplicitous reasonable with weaseling around, saying you didnt mean this you actually meant something else, playing semantics with the words exploit and advantage, and just generally avoiding things when people try to take you to task and play the positive PR role Sadly thats undermined by your inconsistencies and your corp mates tantrums But all in all for a guy like me that has no stake in any of this and is just watching from the sidelines I say keep it up, this whole situation is really good for a laugh
So essentially...you couldn't find quotes even though he's been throwing the line around a lot?
I am pretty reasonable. Or at least try to be..Some of this is too convoluted for me to understand cause I'm not very bright but I'll try.
So clarifying when someone tries to nail to to a word and not the words intent is weaseling, got it. I'll try to be more specific.
Avoiding things? I've been asking for a conversation and reason why locking is an exploit and not a tactic, and all I got is nothing so far from anyone, so who seems to be avoiding? I answered the question head on.
My corp mates tantrums? You mean Cubs? Tantrums might be a bit overstating but that's just my opinion. Hope i'm still entitled to one around here.
I'll try to keep going and get through all this. Thanks for the support.
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.28 04:26:00 -
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+1 to you sir |
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