balance HAV is easy, make the driver and gunner seperate operators then you can buff the standard hull hp in line with what it would take for 2 standard AV weilding infrantry to destroy it.

HAV being a 1 man army is the biggest problem, finite ammo is irrelevant as no doubt well organised people will use whatever resupply options are made available to full effect anyway.

Making vehicles "Fun" does not neccesarely mean to make them OP for the ones driving them, witch is where they are right now if you have 20m sp into them, because my 20m SP i got into dropsuits seems to be irrelivant because you guys only look at how much SP i got into AV to rate my effectiveness vs yours and my 1m sp in AV is so low, you actually have a right to the "win" button because you got 19m sp more in there.

A tank right now can go trough 20-30 Infantry, this around 5-6 games if the Tanker inside is as good an Infantry guy who goes 20-3 regulry (completely solo, like me for instance(6KDR)). 100% on the field can kill infantry, but only 10% of it can hurt a vehicle at this point.

1 2m tank destroyed every 5 games = 400k isk spend per game
3 200k deaths per game is 3m over 5 games or 600k spend per game

And then that 1 death for a tanker, is too much for you guys to handle because it costs 2m!!!!!!


My guess is that after the vehicle rebalance with the limited ammo, vehicles will be used more to counter other vehicles or
installations, or to cover infantry for a limited time and stop them from being the infantry lawnmowers that they are today.

Its not hard to check the numbers after a game, each game these days if its 24/0, a tank, 20/0 another tank, 32/0 hey look its that tank again, then you check their second best on the tank team and wow he had 3/3 ...next match a 7/4 guy ...take the tank away and that team would have lost severly.

Next day, aww look that tank is having soo much trouble another 25/0....lemme toss my proto nades at it ....ow ok that took it down to at least 60% ....shields...lets grab a hive and ....aww its already gone ...

Though if they are going to restrict small turret placements, i foresee only single man tanks driving around, each tanker is his own tank.

Tanks really need to be on Par with Infantry 1 vs 1, if said infantry is decked out into an AV role.

Tank > Infantry > AV Infantry > Tank, enganging multiple AV personel should mean certain death for a tank and vs 1 guy it should swing both ways.

You talk about tanks being tanks, then if by all means pls, 1 Anti Tank Rocket and yer tank is Disabled, if technology continues as today Destructive force always wins againts its defence its designed to destroy.

I do agree that Tanks need to be more AV then anti personel, your infantry should be there to take care of us, not the tank taking care of us and infantry hunting down the AV guy.

And you are right, right now when the opposing team drops 4 tanks, the game is no longer any fun on my part, seems like fun for one, always requires it to take the fun from everyone else but then again most people are only having fun if they have the OP gun, OP suit, OP secret FOTM fit or a one man army called a Tank.

As i see it, tanks should be a rare sight on a battlefield, not a dime a dozen every match in a game thats about ISK.

then why do want tanks to be more like tanks?

RL tanks have anti personel weapons ontop or in de sides/front, its not the main cannon that is used to dispatch waves of soldiers.

Because promotional videos == gameplay ?

Ow ok, so that makes it ok to have Infantry lawn mowers all over the place? this game is also not just about vehicles you know, we also have enough of those games.

its easy to give us vehicle locks

What is tiericide?

the only modules that are advanced and proto for vehicles are turrets.

We currently do not have enough information yet to say that this will end the use of vehicles all together. I think that this is a really big step in the right direction. The vehicle fix sounds simple but its really complex and its issue lies within its basic set-ups. That is why they have issues balancing these things. Could they probably fix it while keeping what they have? They probably could, but who cares, long as the desired results come out, and that's all about making ALL vehicles fun. Currently tanks are the do all vehicle, LAV's are the easiest to use and rack up kills, and dropships are far from being rewarding, and deemed useless by many who do not fly them. Then you have to add on that vehicles all share some similar issues, like high isk requirments for certain fittings etc. People are assuming that because the modules will be basic, that they will all be expensive coffins, but I think things are seriously being over looked based on what stands. CCP Wolfman said he will post more information on the subject, and I think people should give him and the rest of CCP who are working on making vehicles finally see their much needed love, the space and time they need to fix this issue.

- We are rooting for you CCP Wolfman!

Maybe not 1 sniper bullet, but i've nailed a tank with a Breach Forge Gun, while it was being recalled. It failed to stop the recall.

Care to explain why that shouldn't have stopped the recall?

Hm?

I thought not.

seeing this page have 20 pages of replies and 1.4 only has 16. clearly a lot of pilots are going to leave if they don't actually balance anything out and it turns out to be the same fail sauce that PC was.

It's impossible to balance without context. We need to know the intended roles/missions before anyone can declare the OP or UP for said role.

20 pages of whining

Does any one have skill points in BlackOps HAV or Marauder HAV? No? that answers half the tears. SP refund confirmed

What makes me worry for this game the most is that their fixes usually envolves reworking something from the ground up. This could be a route to go at times, but usually the most broken or unbalanced things are rarely fixed in the process. I hardly play my main logi anymore don't to these types of fixed issues, and am enjoying my tank although more. With these up coming changes to vehicles, I will probably go Idol until decent community input is put out and points to some real feal of balance. CCP never even tried smaller changes to vehicles to address, instead just rewrites how they work yet again. This game has great potential, but its biggest downfall is ccp's lack of logic in how they approach balance issues. CCP alone, is killing this game.