2. Stationary turrets don't cost you anything so they shouldn't be better than tanks.

I would like to see murder taxi's take damage when they run into things, clones included. Thus far all other vehicles take damage when hitting things, tanks, dropping from an steep enough place, dropships bumping into things.

4. Why should only forge gunners, swarmers or snipers be able to take advantage of the tower tops? I think if its available to infantry it should be available to HAV's. As to why a building should be able to support it, keep in mind that these are people who have had thousands of years to work on technology and they started from intergalactic space travelers whos first goal was colonizing worlds.

I'll leave it at that.

You seem to me an argumentative person.

I would rather every tower have hackable nodes at the base that would electrify the entire tower until un hacked. This would gradually destroy equipment, infantry and vehicles indiscriminately until counter hacked and add risk and counters to the tower camping bs going on now. You say an HAV on the roof is a problem which I agree to some extent, but consider it less game breaking the others.

None of this has anything to do with the changes in 1.5 or the topic at hand and is at best theory crafting and speculation. It's a moot point irregardless as there could be any number of justifications. They do have access to sufficient strength material to support heavy loads as evidenced by titans spacecraft which should be impossible with our current technology. But with our current tech we have these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_transport_aircraft which have less strutural support than those buildings.

I would rather every tower have hackable nodes at the base that would electrify the entire tower until un hacked. This would gradually destroy equipment, infantry and vehicles indiscriminately until counter hacked and add risk and counters to the tower camping bs going on now. You say an HAV on the roof is a problem which I agree to some extent, but consider it less game breaking the others.

I am glad to see that DS are getting a little attention from the forums and ccp saying they get more HP...SWEET. lets face it, they sucked. well not really but the only tanking you could do was speed tank so that pretty much left out weapon enhancing modules and such.

I fly them and its pretty fun but i lose a lot of isk because of it. I am all for the limited ammo. The ol' incubus will run out fast I bet, but its not that hard to turn the afterburner on and get supplies quick. I really really like the idea of a supply depot on the mcc (just someones idea not something ccp said) I usually spend a bit of time up there anyways cause of that railgun tank sitting in the red line taking pop shots at me, Oh, and to the person that included DS as one of the 13 ways to kill a tank, its pretty dang tough with small turrets. But with limited ammo that red line coward will have to use his ammo with more care and i might actually see more time with the troops instead of the back of the MCC waiting for him to get bored of shooting the supply depots for 50 WP a piece lol.

I was so happy when I could finally take off with a DS and not go wildly out of control because of the hill it was dropped on started it out crooked. I went up...went down...turned a couple times....then pointed my nose at the ground, leveled out...smiled to myself...then exploded...it was the best 30 secs of my dust life. Okay thats off topic, im just agreeing with everyone saying ammo limitation is a good idea, as an assault DS guy it does not bother me. Might even see more dropship pilots if they can practice a little more without being harassed by the players that never leave the red line.

If cloaking is similar to Eve it could work fine. Cloaking doesn't work if you are being hit or firing.

I'm still waiting to see someone flying a dropship. :/

For those saying rail guns shoot electricity you are wrong, in eve rail guns and blasters shoot the same thing, plasma, but the magnetic field is different, a blaster packages the plasma in a strong but short lived magnetic field, rail guns package the plasma in a weak but high speed magnetic field. Its why blasters and rails in eve use the same ammo, hybrid.

This is a high and mighty request but:

With the ability to remove small turrets, can we make them asymmetric?
Basically I want two blasters on my right side but none on my left. It would obviously take some work but you know you are going to see some cool fittings.

Dropships, armed to the teeth on one half, bare on the other, would lead to some really interesting AV teamwork scenarios. Given that one side could be outputting quantities of damage and information (by eyesight - mic), AV would try and attack from the bare side. Either way you look at it, it's balanced.

Here is my deal and I want to just make sure I put it out here, even if it is a repeat.

ONLY AV Weapons doing damage to tanks. If you have to allow infantry weapons to damage tanks, my suggestion would be creating an infantry v infantry / infantry v armor / armor v armor damage system. Using these tables you could create and balance quickly and effectively. But seeing a laser rifle cut a shield tank down or a noob tube (aka Mass Driver) take out an armor tank is ridiculous.

I am even ok with your current crap level hit detection for our main turrets.

Ammo I think is going to make the job a little more complicated, but I am always up for a challenge.

In the end I will say that tanking requires capitol and money. ItGÇÖs like making really expensive awesome toys that only a few people can afford, but it turns out its nothing special. When I get into a tank I should feel that my millions of ISK and SP makes me a force on the battlefield. It should take the same amount of commitment to kill a tank, but right now it just takes a little SP and even less money. My turret cost 500k-1 Million and cost 1 Million SP to level into (THAT IS JUST MY MAIN TURRET!), and for infantry just 150,000 ISK and about 1 Million SP you have yourself something that can totally decimate it.

As the system currently stands, there is no endgame. This is what kills games, and if you want reference look at most every MMO/RPG that fails. ItGÇÖs due to lack of content for higher levels and poor game mechanics frustrating players. The endgame for tanks is nothing special EXCEPT how much you spend to be a tanker.

I am pissed because I care but you serious need to evaluate the role of tanks.

PS this same logic can be applied to my brothers in the air DS Pilots.

So you are saying that the higher level vehicles should be as weak as a cheap suit and a cheap gun? And you comparing it to Eve is completely off, because you don't see cheap fighters killing EVERYTHING if you did then everyone would be flying those and no one would invest in larger weaker ships.

Its simple logic lost on your even smaller mind.

Dust does not have the variety that Eve does and to be honest those ships are not always in harms way like the Dust Players.

Cute statements though, they were adorable. Keep up that logic and let me know how it works for ya.

Dust does not have the variety that Eve does and to be honest those ships are not always in harms way like the Dust Players.

Cute statements though, they were adorable. Keep up that logic and let me know how it works for ya."


__--Depends on where you hang out in EVE space. If you are Only in empire, ( which I'm NOT saying you are ), you could be right.

Why should your AR or shotgun be a legitimate AV weapon?

Well I'm hoping that with this complete overhaul to vehicles, that not only will they introduce locks but also the ability for the enemy (or same team) to steal vehicles. Either as current setup where you can take it apart or as single use fits like with some of the AUR specials.
If they go for a single use fit though, it should be that they can be used even without the necessary skills.

I'm not saying I don't like the idea, but seeing an enemy hijacking one and my dropships then useing it agenst my own team is a burden on its own.

Would it even be useful to have a vehicle you're not even qualified to drive in your assets.

Show me video of tanks being destroyed by the M2 and Molotov cocktails. Then I could consider your reply a serious one.

Yes, I was being entirely serious. I remember destroying a LAV with a shotgun a long time ago.

World War II =/= 20,000 - 50,000 years into the future. Better comparison would be today's tanks.

Try again

It's an interesting video Temba. I have a couple of points to make, however:

1. Modern tank armor is far more resilient. M1 Abrams deployed in the middle-east have survived ambush attacks relatively unscathed.

Example 1.
Example 2.
Example 3
Example 4

Which isn't to say that Abrams haven't been destroyed or disabled by rocket fire, they aren't indestructible. But it's been continuous fire from multiple attackers in a strong concerted effort that did the trick. Insurgent attackers were as obsessed with destroying tanks in real life, as blueberries in our silly game, only they didn't get the benefits of cloning technology to compensate them for their stupidity.

2. The molotov cocktail was dropped into the tiger tank through an open hatch from above, burning it from the inside out. It's doubtful it would have gotten through the armor.

You still think comparing WWII videos to the science in the EVE/Dust universe is valid?

There aren't any hatches to throw a Molotov in on the tanks in Dust. There are however, hatches on today's tanks because, well, we're human and don't have teleportation yet.

So no, a hypothetical Molotov can't destroy a Dust tank. Nor should an AR do anything at all to a Dust tank.

Was that tank American, or was it some rusted 50 year old POS?

Also, can't throw grenades down the barrel of Dust tanks.

Why are you still trying?

will lavs be able to be fitted to shuttle ammo to tanks?

so since your planning on making shield tanks light fast tanks..are you planning on making shield vehicles faster than armor vehicles again ?

because currently the more shields you have the slower your vehicle is and thats stupid as shields are meant to be the exact opposite armor is meant to be that way

Here is a public service announcement paid for by Drake Ashigaru Alliance

CCP wants us to blow each other to bits! Stop trying to have a super uber invincible tank!
That is just a sweeter target to make go boom. Clone up! Learn some strategy, and don't whine about stuff getting blown up.
We need CCP working on newer faster shinier things for us to blow up. If you want to collect things, ....
might I suggest Pokemon cards might work better for you, ... Cuz in Dust 514 it's