Perhaps the best way to handle this is to allow all Turrets to have a passive regeneration for ammunition. Additional items such as modules, Supply Depots, nanohives, etc. can instantly refill or increase that regeneration but by having a passive regeneration on all turrets it will mean that vehicles will not be in a position were they can no longer be of use within a match which I think is the greatest fear being expressed.

FINALLY NO MORE IDIOTS IN MY TANK GETTING ME FOUND OUT. WORKS JUST AS WELL AS A LOCK! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US ON THAT!

Now, for these hardeners. I'm gonna go with it, and ask, are they going to be 50% reduction since you say they're going to provide a massive boost to defenses?

How about slot count?

And for ammo. I hope it's not some ridiculously low count, like 10 for a rail and 150 for a blaster. Those rounds are relatively small. If anything, missile should have the lowest ammo count, because those rounds are fairly large. Will the small turrets have an ammo count? Will they have their own ammo, or will they *puke* pull off from the main ammo count?

What was wrong with the black ops tanks, I don't remember ever seeing one on the battlefield.

You already don't get how we do things.

We destroy turrets as a matter of standard operating procedure, because it's smart to destroy things that are a danger to our tank.

We'll destroy a CRU if we have to, such as if our blues are struggling to hold an objective with a red CRU right next to it.

We destroy enemy depots to deny them the ability to switch suits on the fly, so that they have to die to take out their swarm or forge gun. Plus it denies them infinite ammo when firing right next to it.

That would depend on the passive regeneration rate. The purpose of limiting ammo was from what I gathered to prevent vehicles from spamming attacks without thought or care and repercussion. In addition it was to add an additional level of strategy. Passive regeneration at a nominal rate would still mean that vehicle drivers would have to factor ammunition in their strategy but would prevent them from becoming entirely useless on the field if all ammo sources were destroyed.

Until CCP gives you a unique mission for your dropship the simple answer is that there no reason to fly and every reason not to.

- The dropship is highly visible and thus under near constant threat from AV.
- The dropship will now be dependent on active defenses with long cooldowns.
- The majority of dropships are pretty slow to get into position given the nerf to handling so most of your active defense time will be spent inserting and then exiting the battle.

So most of your time will be spent out of battle.

Now if CCP were to create a real dropship only mission, like say troop spotting, you might just be valuable.

With a redsigned scanner and WP's to go with it you would be able to make scanning passes to assist your team and wouldn't automatically attract AV fire due to being an immediate life threat.

I am skilled deeply into small turrets. If small turrets will no longer needed in order to fit a tank, I don't want them anymore. Can I have an SP refund?

It doesn't matter. As long as the mission of the dropship is to slay infantry it will always be a more complicated and risky tool than just running in a suit. It's more expensive, it's far more visible, and it can't be any better than a suit or it will be declared OP (compared to the suit which will be a valid point).

The dropship needs missions that infantry can't perform or it will be forever balanced against a single dropsuit.

Some of the time they can be more powerful than suits, but most of the time they will be weaker.

Time spent stronger + Time spent more vulnerable = Capability and survivability of a dropsuit.


Vehicle pilots are already complaining about the significant downtime required by this balancing act because it's no fun to sit out the majority of the match.

CCP Wolfman,

You mentioned limited Ammunition and Ammunition Cache's, and also refereed to Supply Depots. How do tanks recover ammunition? Is it self-regenerating, but regenerates faster while around Supply Depot? As an Infantry player, if I remove all the Supply Depots from the map(or the tankers themselves do this), how(if at all) will it impact the Tank drivers?

How do hives reduce your resistance or survivability? They are equipment slots not you high or low slots they only stand to improve your survivability why should it harm a tanks? You don't have a cool down in your nano hive nor does placing one stop you from firing one placed.

I might have missed something, but... where's the buff?

Dropships and HAV's are currently terribad and you talk about "make base vehicles weak" (aren't they? lol), increase shield delay and make ammo depletable? What? Seriously?

The only positive thing is that small turrets will be removed by the 95% of HAV pilots.

The plan isn't even clear, passive and active modules are exactly as you describe them. Are you giving more power to the active modules? And not to the passive ones? I don't understand.

HP are staying the same?

Shield and Armor %resistance are staying the same?

The number of module slots is staying the same?

PG/CPU are staying the same?

So we've been waiting all this time... for nothing?

Does that mean in 1.5 we wont have all the modules we currently have in the game right now? I know you want to take this slow and get it right so that all us vehicle users can finally have fun, but with just basic hulls and basic modules how will things even out in 1.5? cuz proto av vs basic stuff just makes things harder, no?

so just from reading the only thing i hear is we are buffing armor and nerfing shields. can't wait to actually see the numbers but till then it looks like caldari are going to stay 2nd rate tanks that no one should use. and AV is not going to be touch so we will be just even rich WP targets then before.

No passengers without small turrets! Tanks are going full lone wolf now.

(yes infantry can do this too at supply depots but they need a supply depot, vehicles can get a fresh vehicle at any time). I suggest 1) remove redline supply depots and 2) track ammo remaining when a vehicle is recalled and keep it at the same level if called back in within a certain time frame.

Can I still get kill assists for jumping in your empty seats ... sounds like a great way to AFK farm :-/

Edit ... it's a good point though, would not fitting a turret remove the seat ... or could it still be used as transport ?

The current cool-down system is far more clunky and confusing than a capacitor based system.

Let's reverse things for a moment and give infantry movement a cool-down mechanism for comparison.

When you want to run you activate your sprint module, then deactivate it and wait for the cool-down before you can sprint again. How in the world is that easier to use or understand than stamina which is just another word for "dropsuit capacitor"?