As a vehicle Driver, I drive LLAVs, LAVs, HAVs, Enforcers, and Dropships. With the 1.4 Change to Swarm launcher relock intervak, and the skill-based reduction in lock-on time... even a well tanked Dropship (My Logistics Dropship has 2800 HP in Shield, at 34% (roughly)) and it already gets 3 hit by forge guns, and proto swarms.

With Forges, simply moving out of LoS helps, but you have around 7.5 seconds to start moving and get that blocking obstacle (assuming Assault Forge). With Swarms, since they do track and there is nothing you can do but 'try' outrun them, you will get their full 3 shots in less than 4 seconds.

Dropships, even good ones, will have their lifespan reduced to >6 seconds once someone spots them with a Swarm Launcher.

Just some numbers, current 'rate of fire' for Swarm Launchers is 1 Volley every 3.4 Seconds (1.2 Lock-on Timer, 2 second refire timer). The Proposed 1.4 Patch will reduce the refire time to .3 seconds, with a slight increase in lock on time to 1.4 seconds. And they're changing the Swarm Launcher Operation's Skill to 5% reduction in Lock on Time per levek, equalling a total of a volley - EVERY 1.35 Seconds - effectively doubling the DPS of the Swarm Launcher.

As a vehicle Driver, I drive LLAVs, LAVs, HAVs, Enforcers, and Dropships. With the 1.4 Change to Swarm launcher relock intervak, and the skill-based reduction in lock-on time... even a well tanked Dropship (My Logistics Dropship has 2800 HP in Shield, at 34% (roughly)) and it already gets 3 hit by forge guns, and proto swarms.

With Forges, simply moving out of LoS helps, but you have around 7.5 seconds to start moving and get that blocking obstacle (assuming Assault Forge). With Swarms, since they do track and there is nothing you can do but 'try' outrun them, you will get their full 3 shots in less than 4 seconds.

Dropships, even good ones, will have their lifespan reduced to >6 seconds once someone spots them with a Swarm Launcher.

Just some numbers, current 'rate of fire' for Swarm Launchers is 1 Volley every 3.4 Seconds (1.2 Lock-on Timer, 2 second refire timer). The Proposed 1.4 Patch will reduce the refire time to .3 seconds, with a slight increase in lock on time to 1.4 seconds. And they're changing the Swarm Launcher Operation's Skill to 5% reduction in Lock on Time per levek, equalling a total of a volley - EVERY 1.35 Seconds - effectively doubling the DPS of the Swarm Launcher.

As a vehicle Driver, I drive LLAVs, LAVs, HAVs, Enforcers, and Dropships. With the 1.4 Change to Swarm launcher relock intervak, and the skill-based reduction in lock-on time... even a well tanked Dropship (My Logistics Dropship has 2800 HP in Shield, at 34% (roughly)) and it already gets 3 hit by forge guns, and proto swarms.

With Forges, simply moving out of LoS helps, but you have around 7.5 seconds to start moving and get that blocking obstacle (assuming Assault Forge). With Swarms, since they do track and there is nothing you can do but 'try' outrun them, you will get their full 3 shots in less than 4 seconds.

Dropships, even good ones, will have their lifespan reduced to >6 seconds once someone spots them with a Swarm Launcher.

Just some numbers, current 'rate of fire' for Swarm Launchers is 1 Volley every 3.4 Seconds (1.2 Lock-on Timer, 2 second refire timer). The Proposed 1.4 Patch will reduce the refire time to .3 seconds, with a slight increase in lock on time to 1.4 seconds. And they're changing the Swarm Launcher Operation's Skill to 5% reduction in Lock on Time per levek, equalling a total of a volley - EVERY 1.35 Seconds - effectively doubling the DPS of the Swarm Launcher.

As a vehicle Driver, I drive LLAVs, LAVs, HAVs, Enforcers, and Dropships. With the 1.4 Change to Swarm launcher relock intervak, and the skill-based reduction in lock-on time... even a well tanked Dropship (My Logistics Dropship has 2800 HP in Shield, at 34% (roughly)) and it already gets 3 hit by forge guns, and proto swarms.

With Forges, simply moving out of LoS helps, but you have around 7.5 seconds to start moving and get that blocking obstacle (assuming Assault Forge). With Swarms, since they do track and there is nothing you can do but 'try' outrun them, you will get their full 3 shots in less than 4 seconds.

Dropships, even good ones, will have their lifespan reduced to >6 seconds once someone spots them with a Swarm Launcher.

Just some numbers, current 'rate of fire' for Swarm Launchers is 1 Volley every 3.4 Seconds (1.2 Lock-on Timer, 2 second refire timer). The Proposed 1.4 Patch will reduce the refire time to .3 seconds, with a slight increase in lock on time to 1.4 seconds. And they're changing the Swarm Launcher Operation's Skill to 5% reduction in Lock on Time per levek, equalling a total of a volley - EVERY 1.35 Seconds - effectively doubling the DPS of the Swarm Launcher.

As a vehicle Driver, I drive LLAVs, LAVs, HAVs, Enforcers, and Dropships. With the 1.4 Change to Swarm launcher relock intervak, and the skill-based reduction in lock-on time... even a well tanked Dropship (My Logistics Dropship has 2800 HP in Shield, at 34% (roughly)) and it already gets 3 hit by forge guns, and proto swarms.

With Forges, simply moving out of LoS helps, but you have around 7.5 seconds to start moving and get that blocking obstacle (assuming Assault Forge). With Swarms, since they do track and there is nothing you can do but 'try' outrun them, you will get their full 3 shots in less than 4 seconds.

Dropships, even good ones, will have their lifespan reduced to >6 seconds once someone spots them with a Swarm Launcher.

Just some numbers, current 'rate of fire' for Swarm Launchers is 1 Volley every 3.4 Seconds (1.2 Lock-on Timer, 2 second refire timer). The Proposed 1.4 Patch will reduce the refire time to .3 seconds, with a slight increase in lock on time to 1.4 seconds. And they're changing the Swarm Launcher Operation's Skill to 5% reduction in Lock on Time per levek, equalling a total of a volley - EVERY 1.35 Seconds - effectively doubling the DPS of the Swarm Launcher.

Its just an experiment, too see how it affects the weapon before the big vehicle rebalance, have faith and wait it out!!

AFTERBURNERS MOTHER THUKKER DO YOU USE THEM!?

But in all seriousness, I am a bit worried about the swarm "fix" (like they needed fixing...). Anyway, if they prove to be too powerful, just complain to CCP and hopefully they can be redone in 1.5.

Its just an experiment, too see how it affects the weapon before the big vehicle rebalance, have faith and wait it out!!

Hmmm.
This note in the 1.4 Patchnotes interested me greatly, because I was not sure, and I suggest NONE of us is truly sure, what they MEAN by the phrase "fire interval".
I think many of us agree, if 'fire interval' means "Time between volleys" that would result in a ridiculous HOSING of the target.

But I've sampled a standard swarm missile launcher, and found that, once the trigger is pulled, it takes ABOUT 2 seconds for all four missiles to clear the launcher (meaning you have to hold you weapon still for about 2 seconds while it's releasing its rounds). THIS may be what they mean by the "fire interval". Reducing this volley release down to under a second WOULD help the user get back under hiding quicker----while having to stand partially in the open during a LONGER lock-on period will make him exposed to fire longer.

Maybe THIS is what they are referring to when they use the (slightly-ambiguous?) time "fire interval". We'll have to see.

As a swarm user I would have to agree that any dropship pilot worth anything uses an afterburner and is nigh on impossible for my proto swarms to take down hey just pop their ab and zoom off. The decrease in the time between shots will give me maybe 2 hits over 1 but that's all I'm expecting.

Flares:, 1.5 will be seeing ammo consumption added to vehicle turrets(afaik) so this would mean that flares would probably have 3-5 shots with a short cool down. main use would be to give the pilot time to bug out.

Time interval: I saw some confusion on this in the thread the "interval" being talked about is the time after a swarm is launched where you cannot swap weapons cannot run cannot start locking another target. All u can do in this time interval is walk and I believe jump.

Wait. No, Black Jackal. Let me try to clarify.

If the current notes refer to the "interval" as 2 seconds, and IF my observation was correct that it took around 2 seconds for all 4 missiles to launch, then "interval" very likely is referring to the launching animation of a single 4-missile VOLLEY.

I don't mean to suggest it's trying to create a 2-second gap between EACH MISSILE in the volley (as in your 8-second conclusion).

If at any time at all, I am more familiar with the RECEIVING end of a swarm launch than the triggering end. LOL. In that situation, I can also perceive that a hit of 4 successful rapid eruptions lasts about 2 seconds before I can respond effectively to what just happened. Of course this is NOT the same condition as what's happening at your nozzle end of the event (one missile might track a little wider than the others in the volley and lose some precious time and angle before reaching target).

But the more I dwell on the possibilities, the more I SUSPECT, "fire interval" is only referring to that brief time between the instant you've released the 1st missile and the instant the 4th missile has gone and you can now lower your smoking launcher.

Let's see, Black Jackal. It's an interesting analysis.

As a swarm user I would have to agree that any dropship pilot worth anything uses an afterburner and is nigh on impossible for my proto swarms to take down hey just pop their ab and zoom off. The decrease in the time between shots will give me maybe 2 hits over 1 but that's all I'm expecting.

Flares:, 1.5 will be seeing ammo consumption added to vehicle turrets(afaik) so this would mean that flares would probably have 3-5 shots with a short cool down. main use would be to give the pilot time to bug out.

Time interval: I saw some confusion on this in the thread the "interval" being talked about is the time after a swarm is launched where you cannot swap weapons cannot run cannot start locking another target. All u can do in this time interval is walk and I believe jump.

As a vehicle Driver, I drive LLAVs, LAVs, HAVs, Enforcers, and Dropships. With the 1.4 Change to Swarm launcher relock intervak, and the skill-based reduction in lock-on time... even a well tanked Dropship (My Logistics Dropship has 2800 HP in Shield, at 34% (roughly)) and it already gets 3 hit by forge guns, and proto swarms.

With Forges, simply moving out of LoS helps, but you have around 7.5 seconds to start moving and get that blocking obstacle (assuming Assault Forge). With Swarms, since they do track and there is nothing you can do but 'try' outrun them, you will get their full 3 shots in less than 4 seconds.

Dropships, even good ones, will have their lifespan reduced to >6 seconds once someone spots them with a Swarm Launcher.

Just some numbers, current 'rate of fire' for Swarm Launchers is 1 Volley every 3.4 Seconds (1.2 Lock-on Timer, 2 second refire timer). The Proposed 1.4 Patch will reduce the refire time to .3 seconds, with a slight increase in lock on time to 1.4 seconds. And they're changing the Swarm Launcher Operation's Skill to 5% reduction in Lock on Time per levek, equalling a total of a volley - EVERY 1.35 Seconds - effectively doubling the DPS of the Swarm Launcher.

So?

At last swarms will be useful.

Plus no ship should be able to whistand 3 Forge guns or Swarm launchers... i mean W*F?

So?

At last swarms will be useful.

Plus no ship should be able to whistand 3 Forge guns or Swarm launchers... i mean W*F?