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Zero Harpuia WarRavens League of Infamy 696	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:47:00 - [1] - Quote there has recently been an upsurge in the use of a certain melee glitch. I'm here to tell you all what a certain OTHER company and their game did to fight off a similar problem. In the glorious land of TF2, there is a simple little gun called the Pistol. Not the Pretty Boy Pocket Pistol, the Winger, or any big shiny special name gun, just the basic pistol. It is your standard affair of the stock FPS gun, 12 shot, rapidish fire, fast reload, the whole shebang. But for as short time it was used more and got more kills than the Minigun, Shotgun, and Rocket Launcher combined. Yasee, it fired as fast as you could pull the trigger. Think the TAR, but NO limits. People soon started to use it as a CQC weapon over their melees because they could easily pump enough rounds manually to drop anything short of a Heavy. Solly, second highest HP, has 210 Health. Pistol does 15 or so damage at medium range, more the closer you get. The more damage you did with a gun, the more likely it would 'crit' for a 3x damage boost to reward active shooting. You can see where this leads. Eventually, people saw how overly powerful the pistol was, and the number of Engineer players SPIKED as he was one of two classes that could equip the pistol. With a store of 212 rounds, a quartersecond reload, and the ability to create dispencers for more ammo and healing, he became the goto character. Eventually, someone decided to make a macro for the fire rate, and then not even HEAVIES(300HP) were safe from the pistol-fueled rage of the Engie. Soon, the mouse macro evolved into a piece of code they slipped into their client like a custom HUD or skin. It was by this point that Valve had concocted a plan. First, they set a fixed fire rate for the pistol, so it couldn't shoot but so fast. then they inserted a few lines of code to automatically delete the client of anyone who had the Pistol Rapid code, as a way to punish the players who cheated. Finally, they ramped back the accuracy over time of the pistol JUUUUUST a smidgeon, as it was being used more as an SMG than the sniping at weak runners tool it was meant for. Balance was restored, the vile were punished for their crimes, and the world was right. So to those of you whining that it's CCPs fault for making a broken coded melee, remember even VALVE made this mistake. What should you take away from this? We need three things from CCP. 1. Ceiling on Melee attack rate. 2. Punishment for those using and abusing the programming flaw. 3. A DEV needs to look over melee in its entirety once it has been repaired and see if anything needs to be done to it, buff or nerf.
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 2041	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:50:00 - [2] - Quote +1
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1247	Posted - 2013.08.26 20:15:00 - [3] - Quote I agree with this but CCP refuses to punish players who abuse the game. I guess its the New Eden mentality.
Zero Harpuia WarRavens League of Infamy 703	Posted - 2013.08.26 20:40:00 - [4] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I agree with this but CCP refuses to punish players who abuse the game. I guess its the New Eden mentality. They ban the crap out of every Ratbot they find. That said, that's CCP Iceland, not CCP China.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5916	Posted - 2013.08.26 20:44:00 - [5] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: 2. Punishment for those using and abusing the programming flaw. Do this to everyone who's AFK'd and I will dance with happiness
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 327	Posted - 2013.08.26 20:45:00 - [6] - Quote CCP really does need to impliment like a month ban at the very least to teach players a lesson not to glitch/cheat. I can promise you it will all stop.
Zero Harpuia WarRavens League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2013.08.27 19:56:00 - [7] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: CCP really does need to impliment like a month ban at the very least to teach players a lesson not to glitch/cheat. I can promise you it will all stop. IP, Console, Account, or Toon ban? Just curious as to how thorough the probation would be.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 502	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:04:00 - [8] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: IP, Console, Account, or Toon ban? Just curious as to how thorough the probation would be. Deleting their toon but letting them keep their account would be the most satisfactory and stinging punishment, methinks. Buhbye 15 mil SP.
CrotchGrab 360 High-Damage 216	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:12:00 - [9] - Quote Their PSN should be banned for a month. I sent some apparently racial hate mail to someone (very minor) and was banned the same day for a month. But guaranteed if that person I insulted via email wasn't the race they were it would have been a different story. Double ******* standards.
Jarlaxle Xorlarrin SyNergy Gaming EoN. 155	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:12:00 - [10] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: IP, Console, Account, or Toon ban? Just curious as to how thorough the probation would be. Deleting their toon but letting them keep their account would be the most satisfactory and stinging punishment, methinks. Buhbye 15 mil SP. That punishment makes no sense. In the 6+ months since the last reset I've made 15 mill SP. So what you're proposing is to completely get rid of half a year of gameplay because someone is using a glitch. Makes absolutely no sense. That is like getting a speeding ticket and going to prison for 20 years for it. First offense is a week. Second is two and so on and so on would be a much much better option than zapping someone's SP.

Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 152	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:27:00 - [11] - Quote Other companies also release finished games that work properly too. So what? We are talking about Dust here.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 502	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:29:00 - [12] - Quote Jarlaxle Xorlarrin wrote: That is like getting a speeding ticket and going to prison for 20 years for it. I'd categorize abusing a powerful bug to win a game tournament as a serious felony, not a misdemeanor.
Jeremiah ambromot Pro Hic Immortalis 38	Posted - 2013.08.27 21:07:00 - [13] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Jarlaxle Xorlarrin wrote: That is like getting a speeding ticket and going to prison for 20 years for it. I'd categorize abusing a powerful bug to win a game tournament as a serious felony, not a misdemeanor. what would you categorize auto seeking bullets with guaranteed insta kill vs having to get close to someone?
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 503	Posted - 2013.08.27 21:24:00 - [14] - Quote Jeremiah ambromot wrote: what would you categorize auto seeking bullets with guaranteed insta kill vs having to get close to someone? Is there an exploit for that? ED: Either way, "I'd categorize abusing a powerful bug to win a game tournament as a serious felony, not a misdemeanor."
DUST 514 Player 12345678914 Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 560	Posted - 2013.08.27 21:35:00 - [15] - Quote A tip for you OP. CCP is not VALVe. Not even a patch on them. They certainly have a nice vindictive streak but that's more of a childish response when asked hard questions rather than dealing out comical justice. It's unlikely CCP possess the technical skill or superb game design and gameplay balance VALVe demonstrates to fix this without inflicting blunt force trauma over and over until it is kludged into something barely up to par.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 717	Posted - 2013.08.27 23:03:00 - [16] - Quote DUST 514 Player 12345678914 wrote: A tip for you OP. CCP is not VALVe. Not even a patch on them. They certainly have a nice vindictive streak but that's more of a childish response when asked hard questions rather than dealing out comical justice. It's unlikely CCP possess the technical skill or superb game design and gameplay balance VALVe demonstrates to fix this without inflicting blunt force trauma over and over until it is kludged into something barely up to par. Maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't help us to have already given up hope. Even then this isn't CCP, it's CCP Shanghai. We need to hold out for some glimmer or other sign that things will get better or else CharO will have trouble keeping his titles. We need to offer constructive criticism, anecdotes on previous similar situations such as this thread, and most importantly keep the pressure on, keep demanding better service and quality. Try hitting up someone credible and large in the gaming columns like Jim Sterling, or someone who knows how to give it straight linke Angry Joe(doesn't have a PS3 :c) Now if you will excuse my (mildly off topic) rant, my ******* pet was just murdered so I'm going to take out my aggression on some goddamn clones.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7817	Posted - 2013.08.27 23:16:00 - [17] - Quote "No one will ever get banned" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZfdsjOCB78
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 718	Posted - 2013.08.27 23:57:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: "No one will ever get banned" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZfdsjOCB78 Could you please elaborate? The link seems a bit irrelevant, especially considering that it is about Microsoft's standpoint on a somewhat tangential issue, and we know CCP's hatred for that kind of thing.
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 599	Posted - 2013.08.28 00:06:00 - [19] - Quote It has been fixed. We get to wait until it is released to see how effective it is.
Jarlaxle Xorlarrin SyNergy Gaming EoN. 155	Posted - 2013.08.28 03:43:00 - [20] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Jarlaxle Xorlarrin wrote: That is like getting a speeding ticket and going to prison for 20 years for it. I'd categorize abusing a powerful bug to win a game tournament as a serious felony, not a misdemeanor. Okay see now you're getting into specifics. The original post said nothing about abusing it in a tourney. In a tourney match they should just not be allowed to participate. Kind of like speeding in a school zone. The fine is more excessive, but not overly excessive... like wasting 6 months of someone's gaming career.



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