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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1028	Posted - 2013.08.25 12:59:00 - [1] - Quote I mean assault rifle is nice and all but why call it a plasma rifle, that's what it is right?
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1223	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:00:00 - [2] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I mean assault rifle is nice and all but why call it a plasma rifle, that's what it is right? I don't know but the current name makes it extremely attractive to new players.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1306	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:03:00 - [3] - Quote Same reason the Rail Rifle is called the Sniper rifle and plasma shotgun the shotgun. These were all original weapons in DUST that seemed very close to real life equivalence so they went with generic placeholder names. I would have included sub-machine guns and Heavy Machine Guns but those are pretty much the same.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 187	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:10:00 - [4] - Quote In 2013 Fanfest they said they intend the Minmatar Combat Rifle to be the standard rifle of the game. AR will change when they come to release it. And I will be a happy bunny
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1306	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:11:00 - [5] - Quote broonfondle majikthies wrote: In 2013 Fanfest they said they intend the Minmatar Combat Rifle to be the standard rifle of the game. AR will change when they come to release it. And I will be a happy bunny CCP says a lot of things, trust none of it.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 2004	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:12:00 - [6] - Quote The Basic AR will change soon enough. It will act like a Breach. Then hopefully CCP will have the balls to remove the current AR entirely once we get the other racial variants. Caldari - TAR Gallente - Breach Minmatar - Burst Amarr - Scrambler
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1306	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:14:00 - [7] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: The Basic AR will change soon enough. It will act like a Breach. Then hopefully CCP will have the balls to remove the current AR entirely once we get the other racial variants. Caldari - TAR Gallente - Breach Minmatar - Burst Amarr - Scrambler That's painfully incorrect. Where are you getting this "information" from?
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 187	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:15:00 - [8] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: broonfondle majikthies wrote: In 2013 Fanfest they said they intend the Minmatar Combat Rifle to be the standard rifle of the game. AR will change when they come to release it. And I will be a happy bunny CCP says a lot of things, trust none of it. Noooo
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 944	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:17:00 - [9] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: The Basic AR will change soon enough. It will act like a Breach. Then hopefully CCP will have the balls to remove the current AR entirely once we get the other racial variants. Caldari - TAR Gallente - Breach Minmatar - Burst Amarr - Scrambler False. Caldari - Breach. Gallente - Assault variant (regular one). Minmatar - Burst. Amarr - Tactical. I can dig up the dev post on this if you really want a source.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 544	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:18:00 - [10] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: The Basic AR will change soon enough. It will act like a Breach. Then hopefully CCP will have the balls to remove the current AR entirely once we get the other racial variants. Caldari - TAR Gallente - Breach Minmatar - Burst Amarr - Scrambler Wrong bud its Caldari-burst Amarr-tac Gallente-assault Minmatar-breach

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 944	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:21:00 - [11] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Wrong bud its Caldari-burst Amarr-tac Gallente-assault Minmatar-breach False once again. As promised, source CCP Remnant wrote: The idea being that each race will have it's base variant be Assault, (Gallente) Burst (Minmatar), Breach (Caldari) or Tactical (Amarr) and then the variants are a specific race's take on the others using their own tech. So, you'd get an Assault Rail Rifle that attempts to somewhat mimic the behavior of the Gallente Assault Rifle and a Tactical Assault Rifle that attempts to mimic the Amarr Scrambler Rifle and so on.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 802	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:22:00 - [12] - Quote They are gonna change the name to blaster. I doubt the AR as we know it know will be removed since its the gallente version of the minmatar combat rifle though I do believe the stats will be tweaked. I wanna see Gauss rifle and how it will function in game.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 2004	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:30:00 - [13] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Wrong bud its Caldari-burst Amarr-tac Gallente-assault Minmatar-breach False once again. As promised, source CCP Remnant wrote: The idea being that each race will have it's base variant be Assault, (Gallente) Burst (Minmatar), Breach (Caldari) or Tactical (Amarr) and then the variants are a specific race's take on the others using their own tech. So, you'd get an Assault Rail Rifle that attempts to somewhat mimic the behavior of the Gallente Assault Rifle and a Tactical Assault Rifle that attempts to mimic the Amarr Scrambler Rifle and so on. Damn. So we'll never be rid of this "Master of all trade AR"? Damn you CCP!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5541	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:31:00 - [14] - Quote I agree it should be renamed "plasma rifle" because each race will have their own AR. Gallente (current AR) - Full auto Caldari (rail rifle) - Breach Amarr (scrambler) - Tactical Minmatar (combat rifle) - burst broonfondle majikthies wrote: In 2013 Fanfest they said they intend the Minmatar Combat Rifle to be the standard rifle of the game. AR will change when they come to release it. And I will be a happy bunny Which Fanfest talk was that, can you link?
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 187	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:37:00 - [15] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I agree it should be renamed "plasma rifle" because each race will have their own AR. Gallente (current AR) - Full auto Caldari (rail rifle) - Breach Amarr (scrambler) - Tactical Minmatar (combat rifle) - burst broonfondle majikthies wrote: In 2013 Fanfest they said they intend the Minmatar Combat Rifle to be the standard rifle of the game. AR will change when they come to release it. And I will be a happy bunny Which Fanfest talk was that, can you link? At 1:03:38
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 944	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:39:00 - [16] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Damn. So we'll never be rid of this "Master of all trade AR"? Damn you CCP! The AR (Blaster/Plasma Rifle) is supposed to be short range only and I would say it's pretty close for this job, if not spot on. However, for a weapon that's supposed to be mid-to-long range, the Scrambler Rifle has very little range. Proto AR optimal: 42 meters. Proto AR effective: 71 meters. Proto ScR optimal: 50 meters. Proto ScR effective: 87 meters. That's hardly a difference at all, and honestly, a 50 meter optimal range for a mid-to-long range weapon is insulting to me. The ScR needs more range. The Combat Rifle is a short-to-mid range weapon and will, looking at the current AR/ScR ranges, have something like 45 meters optimal and 80 meters effective range which is also insulting.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 295	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:50:00 - [17] - Quote To be honest out of all the "nono this is correct" post the Caldari - TAR Gallente - Breach Minmatar - Burst Amarr - Scrambler Is the only one that makes sense rail rifles should have the longest range while blasters the shortest Unless the caldari standard assault rifle is going to be the gauss rifle and the Rail rifle is gunna be a "special gun" much like the laser rifle Which makes more sense minus the plasma rifle Gauss rifle =breach Combat rifle= burst Plasma rifle= auto Scrambler rifle= TAR Laser= special Rail= special Two unknowns
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 944	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:55:00 - [18] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: To be honest out of all the "nono this is correct" post the Caldari - TAR Gallente - Breach Minmatar - Burst Amarr - Scrambler Is the only one that makes sense rail rifles should have the longest range while blasters the shortest Seriously, I posted the source to back up my post and it's: Caldari - Breach. Gallente - Assault. Minmatar - Burst. Amarr - Tactical.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 295	Posted - 2013.08.25 14:01:00 - [19] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Vin Vicious wrote: To be honest out of all the "nono this is correct" post the Caldari - TAR Gallente - Breach Minmatar - Burst Amarr - Scrambler Is the only one that makes sense rail rifles should have the longest range while blasters the shortest Seriously, I posted the source to back up my post and it's: Caldari - Breach. Gallente - Assault. Minmatar - Burst. Amarr - Tactical. Ok and I'm saying based on what I know about the tech via eve that list makes no sense rails are long range, breach is a short range type of weapons. So I take it Wolfmans gunna change all the SMGs that are breach to long range low rate of fire SMGs?
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1308	Posted - 2013.08.25 14:06:00 - [20] - Quote Why is everybody fixated on this idea of pairing Specific weapons to specifies firing modes to specific races. This is specifically narrow-minded.

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 945	Posted - 2013.08.25 14:12:00 - [21] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Ok and I'm saying based on what I know about the tech via eve that list makes no sense rails are long range, breach is a short range type of weapons. So I take it Wolfmans gunna change all the SMGs that are breach to long range low rate of fire SMGs? The Rail Rifle will be long range, yes. For all I know they will rebalance the Breach AR into a longer ranged weapon. Or keep it as it is. Or even remove it entirely. They aren't going to just copy the Breach AR numbers onto the Rail Rifle and call it a day. The Rail Rifle is being built from the ground with the longer range in mind. It will operate similar to the Breach AR, meaning it will likely be a slow firing weapon with high damage, while having long range. Also keep in mind that the Breach AR is trying to mimic the Rail Rifle and maybe it couldn't be made into a long range weapon based on the Gallente technology.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 697	Posted - 2013.08.25 14:23:00 - [22] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Same reason the Rail Rifle is called the Sniper rifle and plasma shotgun the shotgun. These were all original weapons in DUST that seemed very close to real life equivalence so they went with generic placeholder names. I would have included sub-machine guns and Heavy Machine Guns but those are pretty much the same. Nah, the actual rail rifle is supposed to be coming soonish. Though I guess the sniper rifle technically is a rail rifle...... lol they should just call all the racial shotguns something like "Rail Gun, or Plasma Gun" and just confuse the crap out of people!
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 697	Posted - 2013.08.25 14:27:00 - [23] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Wrong bud its Caldari-burst Amarr-tac Gallente-assault Minmatar-breach False once again. As promised, source CCP Remnant wrote: The idea being that each race will have it's base variant be Assault, (Gallente) Burst (Minmatar), Breach (Caldari) or Tactical (Amarr) and then the variants are a specific race's take on the others using their own tech. So, you'd get an Assault Rail Rifle that attempts to somewhat mimic the behavior of the Gallente Assault Rifle and a Tactical Assault Rifle that attempts to mimic the Amarr Scrambler Rifle and so on. So basically...... There hoping to put in 4 main battle rifles for each race creating 16 different versions of assault rifles in total? And would it be hard to believe that this sort of pattern will be the same for every other gun in the game? like..... for shotguns or SMG's for example?
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 697	Posted - 2013.08.25 14:29:00 - [24] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Wrong bud its Caldari-burst Amarr-tac Gallente-assault Minmatar-breach False once again. As promised, source CCP Remnant wrote: The idea being that each race will have it's base variant be Assault, (Gallente) Burst (Minmatar), Breach (Caldari) or Tactical (Amarr) and then the variants are a specific race's take on the others using their own tech. So, you'd get an Assault Rail Rifle that attempts to somewhat mimic the behavior of the Gallente Assault Rifle and a Tactical Assault Rifle that attempts to mimic the Amarr Scrambler Rifle and so on. Damn. So we'll never be rid of this "Master of all trade AR"? Damn you CCP! No but theres going to be 4x as much variety in the game and because of that you wont see nearly as much AR users out there. In fact, they wont really even be as good as an "all purpose race" just because all of the races are going to have varients that mimic one anothers main battle rifle.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3140	Posted - 2013.08.25 14:49:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: The Basic AR will change soon enough. It will act like a Breach. Then hopefully CCP will have the balls to remove the current AR entirely once we get the other racial variants. Caldari - TAR Gallente - Breach Minmatar - Burst Amarr - Scrambler That's painfully incorrect. Where are you getting this "information" from? Common sense.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1111	Posted - 2013.08.25 16:08:00 - [26] - Quote I want my tactical guass rifle
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1227	Posted - 2013.08.25 16:14:00 - [27] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I want my tactical guass rifle And I want a short range high DPS plasma rifle.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5544	Posted - 2013.08.25 16:50:00 - [28] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Why is everybody fixated on this idea of pairing Specific weapons to specifies firing modes to specific races. This is specifically narrow-minded. Gallente will have rifles that are close ranged based Caldari will probably have long ranged, high hitting, low rate of fire weapon or either long ranged, low hitting, high rate of fire weapons Amarr have what they have now And, if it wasn't already obvious with the minmatar based on their HMG and SMG, would have a rifle capable of a high RoF. Their variants will go along the lines of each races strategic style. Go watch Fanfest 2013 videos. Advancing The Core presentation talks about the different base firing modes. Also this CCP Remnant wrote: The idea being that each race will have it's base variant be Assault, (Gallente) Burst (Minmatar), Breach (Caldari) or Tactical (Amarr) and then the variants are a specific race's take on the others using their own tech. So, you'd get an Assault Rail Rifle that attempts to somewhat mimic the behavior of the Gallente Assault Rifle and a Tactical Assault Rifle that attempts to mimic the Amarr Scrambler Rifle and so on. From here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870299#post870299 Aside from different firing modes on the base variants, different racial rifles will have different range profiles. Example: Caldari rail rifle will be like the breach AR, but with higher range.
Rugman91 Deep Space Republic Top Men. 202	Posted - 2013.08.25 17:01:00 - [29] - Quote So COD noobs will know which gun to use
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1183	Posted - 2013.09.10 12:13:00 - [30] - Quote Rugman91 wrote: So COD noobs will know which gun to use .......I hope that's not really why.

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 156	Posted - 2013.09.10 12:35:00 - [31] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I want my tactical guass rifle And I want a short range high DPS plasma rifle. me too...
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1262	Posted - 2013.09.22 22:19:00 - [32] - Quote just saying....
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2151	Posted - 2013.09.22 22:24:00 - [33] - Quote I love how much misinformation there is, even people continuing to insist they are correct after the dev post has been linked. Gallente - Assault - Short Range Minmatar - Burst - Medium Range Amarr - Tactical - Medium Range Caldari - Breach - Long Range *range relative to the frontline rifles class of weapons. That is the only correct answer. Now move along.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1300	Posted - 2013.09.26 07:34:00 - [34] - Quote bump
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 395	Posted - 2013.09.26 07:42:00 - [35] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I mean assault rifle is nice and all but why not call it a plasma rifle or a blaster rifle, that's what it is right? It's the same reason the M-16 is not called a lightweight, 5.56 mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed, with a rotating bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation rifle (I had to look that up it's been so long. Used to know it by heart.) It's also why my "manhood" isn't called "Wiyrkomi Proto Swarm Launcher."


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